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441   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 23, 5:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own packing and construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals. American workers meanwhile see the wages stagnate because Masters can buy an extra yacht..


Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.

Sounds silly as all hell

That argument might have carried a little water twenty years ago. Not sure how the oligarchs have manipulated the Trumpkins into parroting something that is so obviously false in 2018
442   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 23, 5:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Don’t Trust People

Trust Their Incentives
443   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
dr6B says
Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals.


Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans


First off, doesn't Trump own construction companies?

More over don't the H2B unskilled foreign workers that Trump hired at Mar a Lago take jobs away from Americans and knock down their wages?

https://www.epi.org/publication/h2b-temporary-foreign-worker-program-for-labor-shortages-or-cheap-temporary-labor/

Trump just wants cheap temporary labor. Just because it's legal doesn't mean he should use H2B visa holders as his preferred method of employment for unskilled labor. Here is a perfect example of this... Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean it should be used as the preferred method of birth control.
444   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Lol, yes, I'm "literally Hitler" now because I would like to see more unity as Americans.


Who said you were Hitler?

Rocketmanjoe says
That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity. So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.


The master race blonde hair and blue eyes that is about as non diverse as they come. Captain brought up another good example. Communism does not celebrate diversity.

So I ask you @patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?

Diversity is the spice of life it IS what makes this country great.
445   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 8:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.

Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.

Diversity makes America great.

Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their te...
446   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.


lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.
447   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selec...


Correct. Iceland doesn't have a large variety of ethnic food yet it's one of the safest countries due to very little ethnic diversity but relatively high intellect and education.
448   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 10:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ...


Noone but the progressives, "You are appropriating other cultures' food", have a problem w exotic foods.
449   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?


@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
450   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 23, 2:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.


lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.


How many Americans are employed as Farmers and bakery employees?
451   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
452   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 23, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue ...


Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans. The sooner they go out of business, the better.

How much does their existence cost the average Americans in extra healthcare costs?
453   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 23, 3:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans

Be fair, so is Jack Daniels ;-)
454   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans.


If Trump really cared about the working class he wouldn't hiring foreign workers, he'd give those jobs to Americans. He wouldn't be raising tax's on the working class with tariffs. Face it Trump doesn't care about working class Americans.
455   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.
456   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.


I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)

I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.

Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
457   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.

Net Neutrality counts big as a "middle finger to the working class"

WTF the whole Heritage Foundation package was anti-American as hell. That's how we got the healthcare we got, it was that or nothing. Nothing doesn't work because too many people were dying. How do the Republicans get to do these things to us and never get thrown in jail for it.

We need to get one of us into our government to subvert the program away from the wealthy takers.
458   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 6:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Suggestion: GIlding posts with a donation to Patnet.
459   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
460   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?


I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
461   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And do it in pat.coins , new crypto
462   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 8:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dunno, seems like a violation of editorial integrity. I don't want to stoop anywhere near as low as, say, NPR or CNN, both of which are simply whores at this point.

I don't have much, but I still have my hymen, so to speak.
463   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy


Something like this, but I was thinking more of a link to all the gold plated posts at the top of the page, maybe only the last one or two displaying.

Also, you could set a requirement that it have 3:1 Likes and a minimum of 10 likes to qualify, so it's not pure $$$.
464   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 8:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I appreciate the ideas for monetization.

But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?
465   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?



Definitely, so I suggest some kind of minimum upvotes, and/or a high upvote/downvote ratio.

We can gild the top rated posts?

Anything I can do to help with monetization, I'm willing to help out.
466   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does gilding work that way on Reddit?

Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?
467   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 11:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If we're just brainstorming than I'd like to see a steam-it type concept wherein likes, quotes, upvotes, shares, etc... all count towards point totals per user, but maybe this just works on huge sites like quora.

Gamification and in-community currencies, it worked for world of warcraft. Just spitballin
468   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 23, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am grateful for the suggestions.
469   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Oct 28, 1:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum.


How much longer do we play the "flag" game?
470   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 1:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?


I wonder if we could make some post/area as a resource for various issues.

I've got several ideas for an Index of things, like tracking domestic terror attacks by cause or such like.

Then slap some ads on it or allow a tip jar, and you should make a big commission for hosting, 20%.
471   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 28, 4:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?
472   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 4:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?


Something like that.

Because Curious2 is good at listing Islamic attacks in the "Islam" thread, there was one (Goran? TPB? You?) on Leftwing attacks, and I had a Hillary thread (and others) that correlate all the stories/incidences about a certain topic. Fake Hate Crimes, that kind of thing.

I remember documenting Terror Attacks by Cause also, but I can no longer find the thread.

Think of this as something like an "Anti-Snopes", but it could also contain Reasons why Buying is a Bad Idea and other list/indexes of events/ideas.

Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.

This way the original post could be updated with new information as it comes in. Then we could share with The_Donald, Twitter, and other places to drive traffic.
473   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 28, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.


So maybe the original post (which is what I think you mean by main thread) could itself have a little database that only the thread author could insert into, but everyone could search and read.

And tips or gripes would be comments as usual, below the original post.

Sound about right?
474   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 5:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's exactly right.

Without having endless stickies at the top of the forum which suck, kind of a "Reference Thread" with a link at the top on the right side of Active/Comments/New/etc.

And you should monetize it, both because I'd pay for a few threads, and then you can charge for ads or ask for donations also..
475   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 28, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, it's plan.
476   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 30, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce I need to pin down exactly how this new feature would look and work.

Are you thinking of essentially an embedded spreadsheet in a post?
477   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 30, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It could be. I was originally thinking more of a plain regular post

BUT

An embedded spreadsheet would be easier to keep updated and users could sort it by Place, Cause/Motive, etc. rather than just Date.
478   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...
479   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You’re always welcome back. Calling someone a troll is going to always result in a flag though. Now or later.
480   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Nov 1, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

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