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And the party in power now were "Yes Men" before the elections, right?

What the fuck does liberalism have to do with ISIS? ISIS is as right-wing as you can get. ISIS is a conservative wet dream if you replace Islam with Christianity.

CaptainShuddup says

From the dim witted minds of Liberals.

Dan8267 says

What the fuck does liberalism have to do with ISIS? ISIS is as right-wing as you can get. ISIS is a conservative wet dream if you replace Islam with Christianity.

It's the dumb libruls who stand up for these wackos. Did you forget that debate with Bill Maher, Sam Harris and Ben Affleck? You can't even tell the truth about Islam without some fool claiming racism.

librulusm, stripped down to the copper, is all about freedom from the order of law.
ISIS is the result of lawlessness and/or law without enforcement.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

What the fuck does liberalism have to do with ISIS?

Strategist says

You can't even tell the truth about Islam without some fool claiming racism.

And with all your first hand experience of Islam/muslims, what 'truth' is that?

Bigsby says

Strategist says

You can't even tell the truth about Islam without some fool claiming racism.

And with all your first hand experience of Islam/muslims, what 'truth' is that?

Islam is the breeding ground of terrorism. It also breeds violence, human rights abuse and cruelty that does belongs in the stone age.
Show me where I am wrong.

Strategist says

Islam is the breeding ground of terrorism. It also breeds violence, human rights abuse and cruelty that does belongs in the stone age.

Show me where I am wrong.

Did you notice what happened after a handful of nutters carried out 9/11? Do you remember how revved up the US got? Before that event, acts of terrorism were few and far between despite what had happened in Afghanistan. Nearly 15 years later and after all the bombings and killings, many/most of which were of complete innocents, you seem surprised that a very small proportion of that faith, particularly the young and impressionable, have become radicalized, but quite happy to tar everyone with the same brush. Your sweeping generalizations on this forum are both tedious and ill-informed.

Look, even baby bama can't bring himself to say "Islamic Terrorists"...

Bigsby says

Did you notice what happened after a handful of nutters carried out 9/11?

SoftShell says

Look, even baby bama can't bring himself to say "Islamic Terrorists"...

Do you have a point? And do you understand how the actions of the West over the last few decades have helped bring about the current situation?

gas is $2/gallon again.
mission accomplished!

Bigsby says

And do you understand how the actions of the West over the last few decades have helped bring about the current situation?

If you have to ask, it's not worth answering..

Bigsby says

Do you have a point?

SoftShell says

gas is $2/gallon again.

mission accomplished!

Slow hand clap.

SoftShell says

If you have to ask, it's not worth answering..

Bigsby says

Do you have a point?

Softshell, I don't recall you ever having a point, so you're right, it wasn't worth asking.

Without action, Iran would be charging a kings ransom tariff to use the strait of hormuz, enforced by armed and fueled nuclear tipped missiles.

SoftShell says

And do you understand how the actions of the West over the last few decades have helped bring about the current situation?

Here, this might help...

Bigsby says

Softshell, I don't recall you ever having a point,

SoftShell says

Yes, Iran would be charging a kings ransom tariff to use the strait of hormuz, enforced by armed and fueled nuclear tipped missiles.

That makes zero sense.

SoftShell says

Here, this might help...

Like I said...

Sounds like you have too many slow twitch fibers...

Bigsby says

Slow hand clap.

Bigsby says

Do you have a point? And do you understand how the actions of the West over the last few decades have helped bring about the current situation?

All through the 1980's and 90's much of American foreign policy was in the defense of Sunni Muslims.

- We helped the Afghans kick out the Communists
- We bombed Christians in the Balkans to stop genocide of Sunni Muslims
- We tried to stop genocide and famine in Somalia
- We protected Sunni Islam's most holy sites in Saudi Arabia from "secular" Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War and 8+ years of no-fly zones
- We taught the tent dwellers how to harvest their own resources to become gazillionaires

Heck we even sided with Egypt against Israel, France and the UK during the Suez Crisis. So what EXACTLY did America do before 9/11 to warrant any sort of "blow-back"?

ISIS and Al Qaeda have absolutely no legitimate grievance to justify their actions. Nothing.

Bigsby says

SoftShell says

Yes, Iran would be charging a kings ransom tariff to use the strait of hormuz, enforced by armed and fueled nuclear tipped missiles.

That makes zero sense.

Congrats, you posted up a picture of a British sprinter...

Come on then Softshell, feel free to explain your reasoning for the comment about Iran.

Come on Bigsby, feel free to call the 9/11 "handful of nutters" Islamic Terrorists...

Bigsby says

Come on then Softshell, feel free to explain your reasoning for the comment about Iran.

socal2 says

ISIS and Al Qaeda have absolutely no legitimate grievance to justify their actions. Nothing.

Your points are irrelevant. The US supports Saudi Arabia. These radicals oppose that leadership, so US support is a clear reason for a grievance to them. And you seem to have completely ignored Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you understand what has happened to the Sunnis in Iraq? How that helped to destabilize Syria. How the West helped overthrow Gaddafi in Libya but then proceeded to leave that country high and dry and at the complete mercy of any and all armed militias, and a bloody gaping opportunity for ISIS to move in.... And on and on it goes.

SoftShell says

Come on Bigsby, feel free to call the 9/11 "handful of nutters" Islamic Terrorists...

Of what relevance has that to the point that was being made? They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious. What difference does that make to the real issues?

Bigsby says

Your points are irrelevant. The US supports Saudi Arabia. These radicals oppose that leadership, so US support is a clear reason for a grievance to them. And you seem to have completely ignored Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you understand what has happened to the Sunnis in Iraq? How that helped to destabilize Syria. How the West helped overthrow Gaddafi in Libya but then proceeded to leave that country high and dry and at the complete mercy of any and all armed militias, and a bloody gaping opportunity for ISIS to move in.... And on and on it goes.

OK - facts and history are irrelevant. I guess we have to accept ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban's grievances as legitimate? How dare we try to stop their genocidal campaigns?

Sunnis have nothing to bitch about in Iraq. They were the former slave masters lording over the majority Shia/Kurds. It was an Apartheid regime under Saddam.

And I am the last one to defend Hillary and Obama's total cock-up foreign policy of pulling every last troop out of Iraq while they deposed Gadaffi.

socal2 says

OK - facts and history are irrelevant. I guess we have to accept ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban's grievances as legitimate? How dare we try to stop their genocidal campaigns?

Except that wasn't what was being argued, was it?

socal2 says

Sunnis have nothing to bitch about in Iraq. They were the former slave masters lording over the majority Shia/Kurds. It was an Apartheid regime under Saddam.

You are apparently unaware of what happened under the leadership of Nouri al-Maliki. How do you expect to create a stable country if you don't try and institute a system that is inclusive? And has it actually crossed your mind how it was possible that an entire army managed to collapse in the face of a few thousand insurgents?

I didn't, but you just did.

Bigsby says

They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious.

SoftShell says

I didn't, but you just did.

Bigsby says

They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious.

You are a tiresome troll. If you have something of substance to say, then say it - you know, like trying to explain your idiotic comment about Iran. Otherwise, just fuck off.

Call it Crazy says

Really??? YOU have the balls to say that?

Here, this might shut you up, here's your payment for today!

Says the biggest fucking troll on this site. You claim to be a grandfather, yet post nothing but trollish jibes in virtually every single post. Isn't it time you grew up?

Bigsby says

Except that wasn't what was being argued, was it?

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

I'm arguing that America or the West didn't "create" ISIS. Islam and backward Arab culture created ISIS. Unless you are going to credit the liberation of Iraq with the "Arab Spring", the region (including Syria) was going to implode sooner than later.

An argument can certainly be made that Obama and Hilary enabled ISIS by pulling every last troop out of Iraq while deposing Gadaffi creating an even bigger void and opportunity for ISIS to make massive gains. I can't defend Obama and Hillary's actions over the last 6 years in foreign policy.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Islam is the breeding ground of terrorism. It also breeds violence, human rights abuse and cruelty that does belongs in the stone age.


Show me where I am wrong.

Did you notice what happened after a handful of nutters carried out 9/11? Do you remember how revved up the US got? Before that event, acts of terrorism were few and far between despite what had happened in Afghanistan. Nearly 15 years later and after all the bombings and killings, many/most of which were of complete innocents, you seem surprised that a very small proportion of that faith, particularly the young and impressionable, have become radicalized, but quite happy to tar everyone with the same brush. Your sweeping generalizations on this forum are both tedious and ill-informed.

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror. The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that. Russia and the Philippines also are victims of these wackos, so who do you blame here? The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

sbh says

socal2 says

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

No, that's what you want his position to be. What's so hard about the concept of fractional culpability?

He IS blaming America. I don't hear him say it was Islam that is the root cause.

sbh says

socal2 says

I'm arguing that America or the West didn't "create" ISIS.

No one thing did "create" it.

It was two things....Allah and Mohammad, the greatest terrorist to ever walk the earth.

socal2 says

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

I'm not arguing that America literally created ISIS, but it's obvious that the foreign policy of the US since 9/11 has created the environment for it to take root.
socal2 says

An argument can certainly be made that Obama and Hilary enabled ISIS by pulling every last troop out of Iraq while deposing Gadaffi creating an even bigger void and opportunity for ISIS to make massive gains. I can't defend Obama and Hillary's actions over the last 6 years in foreign policy.

Curious you didn't mention Bush in there. And the withdrawal of troops was Obama following what Bush had already agreed, was it not? And deposing Gaddafi had nothing to do with the creation of ISIS. The lack of any meaningful effort to stabilize the country post his death has allowed Islamic militias to fill the void.

Call it Crazy says

Ahhhh, that explains the ONE thread you've started in 4 years.... You NEVER have anything of substance to say... Kinda explains why 13 people have "flushed" you...

I'm obviously just not as invested in the site as you are, or as interested in trying to get a rise out of others as you seem to be. And yes, 13 people have blocked me. I know one is the Professor for his moronic 9/11 conspiracy beliefs. One I don't know. The other 11 came at the same time several years ago when I was in the middle of a flame war with that multiple personality troll Darrell/LiarInPhoenix etc. etc. What's the reason for your nine ignores? And have you noticed that all the people who seem to dislike you the most don't actually have you on ignore. I guess because they want to take the piss out of your utter stupidity.

Strategist says

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror.

I'm not blaming them for everything, but they have clearly contributed to the problem, or would you like to explain why this situation is so much worse now than it was a few decades ago?

Strategist says

The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that.

Eh? There were mass killings on both sides in India during the partition. Why focus on just the Muslims?
Strategist says

The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

How do you explain the fact that this wasn't a major issue just a few decades ago? What happened in those intervening years?

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror.

I'm not blaming them for everything, but they have clearly contributed to the problem, or would you like to explain why this situation is so much worse now than it was a few decades ago?

When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that.

Eh? There were mass killings on both sides in India during the partition. Why focus on just the Muslims?

You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

How do you explain the fact that this wasn't an issue at all just a few decades ago?

I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?
Islamic terror has been going on for 1,400 years, ever since this sick religion was created by a sick pedophile. These barbarians did not have suicide bombers 50 years, 100 years, and 200 years ago because they did not have access to bombs.

Bigsby says

Curious you didn't mention Bush in there. And the withdrawal of troops was Obama following what Bush had already agreed, was it not?

Which Bush - 1 or 2? How about Clinton? According to Bin Laden, one of his main reasons for 9/11 was stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia to enforce no fly zones to protect the Kurds and Shia from getting murdered by Saddam, Heck, we can go back to Eisenhower era for the US and Brits teaching Gulf Arabs to pump their oil if we want to keep making excuses for Islamists.

ISIS only grew in the last 2 years under Obama's watch when he foolishly pulled every last troop out of Iraq. ISIS predecessor (AQI) got the ever living shit beat out of them by US troops and the Anbar awakening. We just had to keep enough forces around to protect the gains. Back then, even Slow Joe Biden was saying Iraq would be "one of this Administration's greatest achievements."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcPCrGRs6k

They threw it all away and humanity is now facing the consequences.

@bigsby why are you so supportive of Islam. It puzzles me. I have seen some of the arguments you have made on conspiracy theories. You seem to be an intelligent liberal. But why do you guys defend Islam so much? Do you think the Sharia laws meet your liberal morals? Do you? It makes no sense at all.

Strategist says

When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.

Simplistic in the extreme. Maliki divided that country on sectarian grounds, totally isolating the Sunnis in favour of the Shias. Why do you think the tribes in the Sunni regions thought rule under ISIS was more favourable to that of Maliki?
And you can't just plonk democracy on nations that have never experienced it, and most certainly in nations that have been under the boot of the kind of rulers Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt were subjected to, and suddenly expect everything to run smoothly.

Strategist says

You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.

You mean when one nation invades another and commits atrocities? And obviously such atrocities never happened when Christian countries invaded other nations. And exactly what constitutes genocide to you?
You seem to have forgotten the acts of terrorism that have taken place in India by Hindu nationalists and the like.

Strategist says

I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?

So I have to address every single point, do I? Many regions of the old USSR have been destabilized by what has gone on post break up. The trouble in those regions isn't solely down to the fact that, for example, the Chechens did it 'because they are Muslim,' is it? As for the Phillipines, I don't know the historical details of that insurgency so perhaps you'd care to inform us of its background.