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Silicon valley jury fails to beleive feminazi's sob story


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2015 Mar 27, 6:23pm   23,100 views  79 comments

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jury-deliberations-resume-silicon-valley-lawsuit-081732572--finance.html

A jury decided Friday that a prestigious venture capital firm did not discriminate or retaliate against a female employee in a case that debated gender imbalance and working conditions for women in Silicon Valley.

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1   Patrick   2015 Mar 27, 6:26pm  

i think the jury is probably right. she really gave off the vibe of someone with an ax to grind.

2   lostand confused   2015 Mar 27, 6:27pm  

In today's world, this is just old. You have people like meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina and now in the good old Midwest, GM has a female CEO. I mean come on..

perhaps it is not that you are a minority or a woman-it is just you. Now I have a lot of respect who make it-just not the whiners.

3   Dan8267   2015 Mar 27, 6:45pm  

The article has no details. It's impossible to tell why the jury decided the way it did or whether or not the decision was right. What evidence supported or contradicted this woman's claims? Did she lie about what happened, and if so, was she caught?

4   Strategist   2015 Mar 27, 7:08pm  

lostand confused says

A jury decided Friday that a prestigious venture capital firm did not discriminate or retaliate against a female employee in a case that debated gender imbalance and working conditions for women in Silicon Valley.

Dan8267 says

The article has no details. It's impossible to tell why the jury decided the way it did or whether or not the decision was right. What evidence supported or contradicted this woman's claims? Did she lie about what happened, and if so, was she caught?

From the article:
"The case included salacious testimony about Pao's affair with a male colleague that was intended to bolster her allegations of gender bias. Pao said the colleague pursued her relentlessly before the affair began, and that she broke it off when she learned he had lied about his wife leaving him."

Sounds like she was pursuing him, and when he would not leave his wife she dumped him.

"Juror Steve Sammut said jurors thought Pao was driven and ambitious."
They mean Bitch. :)

5   Dan8267   2015 Mar 27, 7:10pm  

Strategist says

"The case included salacious testimony about Pao's affair with a male colleague that was intended to bolster her allegations of gender bias. Pao said the colleague pursued her relentlessly before the affair began, and that she broke it off when she learned he had lied about his wife leaving him."

You and I have entirely different ideas about what constitutes details.

6   zzyzzx   2015 Mar 27, 7:10pm  

Dan8267 says

The article has no details. It's impossible to tell why the jury decided the way it did or whether or not the decision was right. What evidence supported or contradicted this woman's claims? Did she lie about what happened, and if so, was she caught?

In other words, it's a typical Yahoo article.

7   Dan8267   2015 Mar 27, 7:11pm  

In other words, it's a typical Associated Press article.

8   HydroCabron   2015 Mar 27, 7:12pm  

I have a theory about female pioneers in male-dominated fields: the successful ones are usually really tough and vicious.

Margaret Thatcher, Marlene Dietrich, Madonna and Sheri Lansing are all pretty Machiavellian people, best avoided in a dark alley. I bet even the men in these firms are dirty, underhanded cut-throat bastards, so she was probably, at a minimum, ultra low-down and dirty.

9   Strategist   2015 Mar 27, 7:18pm  

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

"The case included salacious testimony about Pao's affair with a male colleague that was intended to bolster her allegations of gender bias. Pao said the colleague pursued her relentlessly before the affair began, and that she broke it off when she learned he had lied about his wife leaving him."

You and I have entirely different ideas about what constitutes details.

She having broken off the relationship tells me she could have broken it off before. Therefore, there was NO sexual harassment involved. Now she has no credibility.
Too much detail results in "Paralysis by Analysis"

10   Strategist   2015 Mar 27, 7:22pm  

HydroCabron says

I have a theory about female pioneers in male-dominated fields: the successful ones are usually really tough and vicious.

Margaret Thatcher, Marlene Dietrich, Madonna and Sheri Lansing are all pretty Machiavellian people, best avoided in a dark alley. I bet even the men in these firms are dirty, underhanded cut-throat bastards, so she was probably, at a minimum, ultra low-down and dirty.

I think you are right. They said Carly Fiorina was a Bitch. And that it takes a bitch of a woman to make it to the top.

11   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Mar 27, 7:34pm  

Thatcher was one of the boys. She drank Scotch neat during meetings, never played the female card, would work until 2AM. She embraced the already existing culture, rather than insist the culture change to accommodate "her needs"

12   lostand confused   2015 Mar 27, 8:06pm  

thunderlips11 says

Thatcher was one of the boys. She drank Scotch neat during meetings, never played the female card, would work until 2AM. She embraced the already existing culture, rather than insist the culture change to accommodate "her needs"

And managed to raise a family while rising to being the Prime Minister of a country. Same as meg Whitman. Hopefully the rules will change to remove these feminazi inspired laws and accept that people are people.
There is the woman who ripped apart the fetus from another pregnant woman while she was alive and then there is mother Theresa. Just because both are women, doesn't make the fetus ripper equal to Mother Theresa and both don't have to be treated the same.
The same for men or minorities.

Those rules made sense back in the day-not anymore, when we have a black president.

13   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 27, 9:14pm  

lostand confused says

In today's world, this is just old. You have people like meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina and now in the good old Midwest, GM has a female CEO. I mean come on..

Do you know how many women CEOs are there in S&P 500? Less than 5%. http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-ceos-sp-500

14   lostand confused   2015 Mar 27, 9:57pm  

tr6 says

Do you know how many women CEOs are there in S&P 500? Less than 5%. http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-ceos-sp-500

Do you know how many men in the whole world are CEOs? Less than 0.01% So what. It is talent and merit that count. if Meg Whitman and Marissa Mayer can make it-quit making excuses .

Some whine with that cheese?

15   Ceffer   2015 Mar 27, 11:39pm  

She was a wee, non hirsute lesbian. If she had been in immense, hirsute lesbian, the jury would have believed her.

16   MAGA   2015 Mar 28, 5:09am  

I want to know why veterans are not properly represented in the SV? When I was working in the SFBA, I had a chance to visit Facebook and have lunch with some of the engineers. Management said that they "support the troops" and are always looking for veterans to hire. I didn't see or meet any at FB.

BTW, I wasn't all that impressed with some of their developers. I was asking some rather simple questions and a number of these guys could not reply from a technical stand point.

Where is my lawyer....

17   MAGA   2015 Mar 28, 5:41am  

Ceffer says

non hirsute

Hirsute? I had to look that up. Interesting.

18   Y   2015 Mar 28, 6:09am  

Did you give up your Youtube subscription?

Dan8267 says

The article has no details. It's impossible to tell why the jury decided the way it did or whether or not the decision was right.

19   Y   2015 Mar 28, 6:13am  

A veritable cornucopia of information...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ellen+Pao+against+Kleiner+Perkins+Caufield+%26+Byers.
and yet you are now shunning the service..
Looks like CIC's eternal Youtube campaign against you has finally yielded results...

20   Y   2015 Mar 28, 6:15am  

That's what lack of sex, or too much sex will do to a woman.
a delicate balance needs to be attained...

Strategist says

They said Carly Fiorina was a Bitch.

21   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2015 Mar 28, 7:10am  

They didn't invite her to the week end get away because she doesn't put out.

22   resistance   2015 Mar 28, 9:18am  

thunderlips11 says

Thatcher was one of the boys. She drank Scotch neat during meetings, never played the female card, would work until 2AM. She embraced the already existing culture, rather than insist the culture change to accommodate "her needs"

margaret (may she rot in hell) did prove that it is totally possible to play the game without passing laws which demand that men self-castrate in your presence.

Marissa Mayer wants nothing to do with that form of support. “I never play the gender card,” she says. “The moment you play into that, it’s an issue.”

marissa is confident and competent and yet also really hot. she refuses to do the "boo hoo poor female me" thing because she wants to be judged on her own merits rather than inserting a manipulative layer of legal pressure and guilt to hobble male competitors. perfect model for how things should be imho.

as for why there are 95% male ceo's in large companies, could it (gasp!) have anything to do with the differing levels of aggression and propsensity for leadership between the genders? no, if we were to admit that men and women actually are biologically different, say in levels of testosterone, and that these differences extend to normal and ancient behavioral differences between genders, then we might not get the equality of outcome that feminists are demanding.

the alternative is a fair equality of opportunity where people rise or fall on their own merits, some of which are, yes, biologically determined. the short guy is just never going to get into the NBA. do we need laws demanding the inclusion of short men in the NBA?

23   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 9:27am  


as for why there are 95% male ceo's in large companies, could it (gasp!) have anything to do with the differing levels of aggression and propsensity for leadership between the genders? no, if we were to admit that men and women actually are biologically different, say in levels of testosterone, and that these differences extend to normal and ancient behavioral differences between genders, then we might not get the equality of outcome that feminists are demandin

This is why we have so many bubbles and corruption. Too much testosterone competing. There are a number of studies that women fund managers way outperform men. I would not be surprised that if we had more women in power, the world would be less bubbly and would have a bit less corruption.

24   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 9:28am  


yet also really hot

Rin, a 4-5 maybe?

25   turtledove   2015 Mar 28, 9:43am  

tr6 says

This is why we have so many bubbles and corruption. Too much testosterone competing. There are a number of studies that women fund managers way outperform men. I would not be surprised that if we had more women in power, the world would be less bubbly and would have a bit less corruption.

Unfortunately tr6, many men think that the only measure of successful leadership is based on the way that men have done it since the beginning of time. Women will lead differently than men. We are, by nature, more collaborative. Our self-concept doesn't rise and fall based on how our penises measure up against a perceived competitor. Men are hunters; women are gatherers. Both are necessary for balance... However, until women's traits are recognized as valuable in a leadership capacity, male traits will continue to be regarded as superior. Perhaps someday, people will realize that all traits have their value. A woman's bag of "tricks" is different, but it's still a bag of tricks with a capacity to lead.

26   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 9:50am  

turtledove says

However, until women's traits are recognized as valuable in a leadership capacity

In asset management, those traits result in nearly 5% annual outperformance. That's huge. Since there are not too many women fund managers, we are comparing the best women against men that on average are probably not as good. I would think that if the fund managers were split more evenly, the out performance would not be this big. Still women's traits might be better for managing money long term and as the society we may recognize that eventually.

27   Patrick   2015 Mar 28, 10:18am  

turtledove says

Women will lead differently than men. We are, by nature, more collaborative. Our self-concept doesn't rise and fall based on how our penises measure up against a perceived competitor. Men are hunters; women are gatherers.

thank you! yes, men and women are different, and have different strengths. but men are told they may not use their strengths in hyper-competitive environments because then they would likely win, and men must not be allowed to win because that makes women feel bad.

as for male self-concept being derived from competition, that in turn is derived from the universal preference by women for the winning man. men compete because women force men to compete, and always have. so men get very loud and contradictory inputs from women these days:

1. "i want the winning guy" (as it always was)
2. "men are all assholes for trying to be the winner" (recent development)

so what should men do? they have to ignore either either first input or the second one

tr6 says

In asset management, those traits result in nearly 5% annual outperformance. That's huge.

no group cares less about gender than the financial industry. they care about money. they have no loyalty to gender or to anything else, and they will do whatever makes the most money for themselves, all the time. it's brutal and very efficient.

28   justme   2015 Mar 28, 10:32am  

turtledove says

many men think that the only measure of successful leadership is based on the way that men have done it since the beginning of time.

Men lead the way women want them to lead. If men lead the way women CLAIM they want men to lead, no woman would want those men as leaders. They might want them as profit-centers, but not as leaders.

turtledove says

Women will lead differently than men. We are, by nature, more collaborative.

Really? Look at marriage. Marriage is the ultimate small business. These days, women think that marriage consist of "managing" their husbands and collecting the profits of his labor. (Actually, they probably always thought so, but they were much smarter about keeping quiet about it, and did more of their part to support their husbands.) Anyway, are the women "leaders" of marriage "more collaborative" than their husbands, on the average? i don't think so. I see a lot of passive/aggressive behavior later followed by aggressive/aggressive behavior whenever the first method does not garner the desired result. Does that make women better leaders than men? I think not.

29   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 10:35am  


no group cares less about gender than the financial industry. they care about money. they have no loyalty to gender or to anything else, and they will do whatever makes the most money for themselves, all the time. it's brutal and very efficient.

You are very naive. if you had experience with financial industry, you would change your opinion.

30   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 10:36am  


men compete because women force men to compete

In asset management, that does not work out so well.

31   justme   2015 Mar 28, 10:39am  

turtledove says

However, until women's traits are recognized as valuable in a leadership capacity, male traits will continue to be regarded as superior.

As Patrick indicated, it is WOMEN who value those male traits as being necessary, and then at the same time they complain about them.

32   HydroCabron   2015 Mar 28, 10:44am  

The people who control things are still mostly tall WASP guys in polo shirts who golf and know the right people from their families or church.

A few women or short guys can get into that circle, but nothing has really charged since the 1980s. Saying that Margaret Thatcher proves we're all equal now is like saying that rappers or Michael Jordan prove that blacks have equal opportunities: it might be evidence of it, but it's pretty far from proving it.

I don't see the legal system as a remedy for these problems, but I dislike the idea that it's really a meritocracy. Merit is involved, but it's like that kid I knew in school who looked like a university dean in 3rd grade: he's now a university dean. The human race picks people who look like they belong in a role, or who fit in culturally with the others, in addition to weighing merit.

In Hollywood, nearly all studio brass are Jewish. If enough lesbians take over corporate leadership in some sector, then all CEOs and boards in that sector will soon be lesbians - this has happened in some organizations. I have seen this happen enough times: one guy from Mumbai becomes CIO, and soon most management in IT is from India.

33   turtledove   2015 Mar 28, 10:46am  


thank you! yes, men and women are different, and have different strengths. but men are told they may not use their strengths in hyper-competitive environments because then they would likely win, and men must not be allowed to win because that makes women feel bad.

Just so you know... I don't bemoan men's strengths. They should be used to full capacity. I think it's silly to try to hold people back, male or female. However, when women's traits (as leaders) are viewed as inferior simply because they are different, I think that men shortchange themselves. Different situations are resolved better by certain traits. The worst are the women who try to emulate the male traits they think they need to succeed. It never works, and it fails to use women to their full benefit. Men, too, shouldn't be expected to act more like women. Both should just have respect for their different styles. I think that the competitive, go-for-the-kill, nature of male leaders is threatened by alternatives... As if encouraging different styles is an attack against their style.

34   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2015 Mar 28, 10:59am  

justme says

Really? Look at marriage. Marriage is the ultimate small business. These days, women think that marriage consist of "managing" their husbands and collecting the profits of his labor. (Actually, they probably always thought so, but they were much smarter about keeping quiet about it, and did more of their part to support their husbands.) Anyway, are the women "leaders" of marriage "more collaborative" than their husbands, on the average? i don't think so. I see a lot of passive/aggressive behavior later followed by aggressive/aggressive behavior whenever the first method does not garner the desired result. Does that make women better leaders than men? I think not.

For some guys it's a symbiotic relationship as well. Some men are not driven until a woman gets involved in their lives. Whether they realize it or not at the time of their transformation.
It can be subtle or indirect or it can be direct manipulation. Either a man just wanting to be all he can be and pressing his career potentials, or a Woman constantly beating a guys ear to take opportunities.

But who knows perhaps the days of women's vicarious greatness through men proxy is over. These days all they need for mortal self gratification is approval and likes for posting Selfies with a duck face on Instagram. Mere Men are no match for that kind of glory.

The Marriage business has worked for me and my wife for 21 years. She lives a comfortable lifestyle and my brand can afford me more than I would care to earn if I were single and had never married in the first place. All of my single friends that never pursued a family life. Are all living the exact same lifestyle paycheck to paycheck that they were 20 + years ago. I would be living in off season efficiencies and still slinging carpet had I stayed single.

35   lostand confused   2015 Mar 28, 11:04am  

turtledove says

The worst are the women who try to emulate the male traits they think they need to succeed. It never works, and it fails to use women to their full benefit

That is not just women. But men too-it is called being fake. I bet if you met Margaret thatcher in some other time and she was an old maid-she would still be a pitbull. You ever run into some old drunk Russian women -yikes!

Copying haircuts and styles of movie stars or atheletes or buying their name brands for more is one thing. Though I don't see the appeal of a 300# critter walking around with all the name brands-his/her choice -it does not magically transform you into a superstar.

personality, grit, guile, cunning are not things you can fake-to a certain extent yes-but not for ever.

36   Patrick   2015 Mar 28, 11:56am  

tr6 says

You are very naive. if you had experience with financial industry, you would change your opinion.

i worked for charles schwab for 5 years, and wells fargo for another year. does that count?

37   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 12:03pm  


i worked for charles schwab for 5 years, and wells fargo for another year. does that count?

In IT or asset management? IT work is the same everywhere.

38   Patrick   2015 Mar 28, 12:06pm  

obviously IT, but i got to know the asset management guys.

39   anotheraccount   2015 Mar 28, 12:12pm  


obviously IT, but i got to know the asset management guys.

I am sorry that does not quality as having insight in how asset management promotion and politics work.

40   anonymous   2015 Mar 28, 12:23pm  

It's who you know and who you blow.

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