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The Libs are going to have to work it. It's going to be comical watching them rehashing the lies of yesteryear.

Every candidate's campaign speech is going to be "It was Bush's fault!".

I hope the Republican you hate the most wins.

Well let's start with Hope and Change

It all went down hill from there.

Does Obama know what sincerity means?

Hope and Change is supposed to mean Progress, Happiness, strong approval all the way around. If you can't see that, then you make Fox new's case when they say Liberals have a mental condition.

By the way, the converse of the phenomenon I describe above was skillfully described by Steven Colbert on the pilot episode of The Colbert Report.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/63ite2/the-word---truthiness

Ten years later, and it's still relevant and the definitive example of how conservatives lie to themselves and others to make themselves feel better about themselves.

CaptainShuddup says

Hope and Change is supposed to mean Progress, Happiness, strong approval all the way around. If you can't see that, then you make Fox new's case when they say Liberals have a mental condition.

Look at how the conservative grasps for any straw to make him feel like he's team are the good guys and the other team are the bad guys despite 239 years of evidence to the contrary.

The mental block is so resilient that any rational doctor would call it a severe mental disorder, even a form of dementia.

Fuck Colbert! Stop injecting the Federal Jester into every argument.
I bet Hillaries server has the receipts that the Obama administration made out to Comedy Central and the rest of the official ministry of propaganda.

Comedians are supposed unite people, not help create the rift between the nation that Colbert and Stewart has.

When this is all over and the Liberal prick is pulled out of your collective assess, you'll realize this someday.

What's really cute, is I bet you guys think these guys aren't the 1% either. Just a couple of regular Joes like Buffet, Gates and Bloomberg.

CaptainShuddup says

Fuck Colbert! Stop injecting the Federal Jester into every argument.

He's not wrong because you hate what he says. You hate what he says because he's right and it's obvious that he's right.

Dan8267 says

the evil people have always been conservatives

It's a good jab, but not true. There are plenty of leftist ills perpetrated, in the world as well, that I could call stemming from evil. Maybe you meant specific to the US?

Pandering to our worst qualities, motivations driven by fear, attacks directly at science. Yes, the most awful things about the US today, in my mind, are from the conservative side of the mark.

Nader was right too, why did you hate him so much that you handed Bush the presidency?

Is this really about right? The Liberals haven't been right about anything since for ever. That's why Abraham Lincoln founded the Republican part to emancipate the slaves from their Liberal slave masters.

CaptainShuddup says

Is this really about right? The Liberals haven't been right about anything since for ever. That's why Abraham Lincoln founded the Republican part to emancipate the slaves from their Liberal slave masters.

I'm gonna use your posts to research the price histories of meth and crack in Florida.

Prices are at record lows today.

It's funny watch you play daffy Duck.

"This week is this week and last week was last week, we were republicans when they were liberals but now this is this week... Oyvay!"

I'm NPA I look at the people, you seem to be the guy that if you like the other guy better than the current offerings. Well hell you just reach on in there and relabel them to suit your ideology. Even ole what's his face will do, yeah Lincoln he's a Liberal now, because Dan reckons that Abraham would have been all about putting transgender bathrooms in elementary schools, and forcing spiritually deeply religious people with strong beliefs to bake gay wedding couples a cake, as their beliefs will trump all else. Why Lincoln was the first guy to take deserved merits from others and pass them along to others, just because it fit his social narrative. Abraham Lincoln was a hell of a Race car driver too. Well they didn't have cars back then, but you can tell he would have drove the hell out of a DNC sponsored NASCAR.

CaptainShuddup says

Well hell you just reach on in there and relabel them to suit your ideology.

It's called "political realignment". It's a fact. The label/name doesn't matter, the ideology is what matters.

Conservatives are on the wrong side of racial and minority issues in the US. We can say that now, because victors write the history. ;)

No it's called hijacking history, and it worked for a minute.
But the 2008 and 2012 Liberals didn't deliver the tasty looking goodness on the outside of their box either.
You're going to need a much better line of bullshit than hijacking history in 2016. And OH Fuck NO! Obama wasn't this generation's Kennedy now was he class? (8 million voices) "NO!".

Rew says

It's a good jab, but not true. There are plenty of leftist ills perpetrated, in the world as well, that I could call stemming from evil. Maybe you meant specific to the US?

The "left" and the "right" in America do not correlate to "liberal" and "conservative". The left and the right are arbitrary, and sometimes weird, sets of political beliefs. For example, the right includes both Jesus-worship and gun-worship, two things that are quite frankly contradictory, yet associated with the same people.

What constitutes the left and the right varies greatly from country to country and even decade to decade. What would you consider the right before Nixon's Southern Strategy? Back then, the Southern Democratic Party or Dixiecrats were the conservatives. The Northern Democratic Party and the Republican Party were the liberals.

So when I said, the evil people have always been conservatives, I meant conservatives and I meant throughout the world in all times. The Nazi's were on the "right" and the Soviets were on the "left", but both cultures were conservative and extremely anti-liberal.

But yes, political terms are tossed around and twisted so much, often deliberately to cause confusion, that it's understandable that it's hard to tell what they mean in a context.

CaptainShuddup says

No it's called hijacking history, and it worked for a minute.

But the 2008 and 2012 Liberals didn't deliver the tasty looking goodness on the outside of their box either.

You're going to need a much better line of bullshit than hijacking history in 2016. And OH Fuck NO! Obama wasn't this generation's Kennedy now was he class? (8 million voices) "NO!".

The fact that you refer to Obama as a liberal means your words cannot be taken seriously. It would be more accurate to refer to Obama as a banana than a liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/sFukyIIM1XI

Candidates that run as Ds or Rs debunk themselves.

Dan8267 says

So when I said, the evil people have always been conservatives, I meant conservatives and I meant throughout the world in all times. The Nazi's were on the "right" and the Soviets were on the "left", but both cultures were conservative and extremely anti-liberal.

Again. Respectfully, I disagree. Soviets were NOT conservative. They were abolishing old monarchies and for liberating the working class. This isn't a conservative idea at all.

I think this is a good graphic ...

Rew says

Again. Respectfully, I disagree. Soviets were NOT conservative. They were abolishing old monarchies and for liberating the working class. This isn't a conservative idea at all.

We're only disagreeing on the definition of conservatism then. I use the term specifically to refer to the ideology of "social conservatives" in America. This ideology is about
1. Social control.
2. Authoritarianism
3. Powerful military
4. Tribalism
5. Xenophobia
6. Tradition

The Soviet Union meets this definition.

I don't care to get into a nomenclature debate. The actual words used to describe things aren't important. What matters is the nature of the things being described and that's not changed by the vocabulary used.

The Soviets replaced one centralized, authoritarian regime with another. That makes them like the Nazis, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the American Empire, and every other empire that has ever existed. If you want to use another term to describe this than conservatism, then fine, but whatever you call it, it is the opposite of liberalism and it is essentially the exact same thing that self-identified conservatives in America today believe.

Rew says

I think this is a good graphic ...

I envision the political philosophy space as an N-dimensional hypercube in which each axis is an independent scalar value in the range [-1.0, 1.0]. The Soviet Union, the Tea Party, the American left, the Roman Empire, etc. are simply N-dimensional blobs inside this hypercube. Also, the edges of the blobs are fuzzy, not solid.

If that's too hard to envision, it can be reduced to a series of N one-dimensional value ranges in tabular format.

Dan8267 says

The actual words used to describe things aren't important. What matters is the nature of the things being described and that's not changed by the vocabulary used.

Dan, I respect your logic and Like many of your comments, but I think this issue goes to part of what George Orwell tried to address in "Politics and the English Language" and more broadly in 1984. Eviscerating the language is a form of social manipulation, like the revision of history. A distressing number of self-styled "conservative" Americans, especially most Texans, believe the earth is less than 10k years old and America was first settled by Pilgrims who set sail for Plymouth Rock. (The Pilgrims were actually trying to reach the already established city of New Amsterdam, now known as New York, but they couldn't make it. Later, they and their successors ate some rotten rye and hallucinated due to psylocybin, and misinterpreted the hallucinations as witchcraft, and so set about hanging each other as witches.) This goes back to everything most Texans have been taught from childhood, including parents indoctrinating them with religion and Sunday school, and even public school textbooks manipulated by the Texas school board, so they get very upset and call you "communistical" if you tell them that much of what they've learned was actually incorrect and even their definitions of right and wrong are contrary to everything but their scripture. When ISIL / Daesh call themselves Islamic, and others disagree, I have to say they can call themselves Islamic because they're following the Koran and imposing Sharia and besides religion is like a smile on a dog or an imaginary friend: if they see it that way, then it's there for them, even if not for anyone else. When Christianists try to revise American history and the English language, I object because history is about facts and language is about communication. There was nothing "conservative" about invading Iraq, there is nothing "conservative" about deficit spending, and there is nothing "conservative" about using America to impose Christianity at home or Islam abroad. (Both Afghanistan and Iraq now have expressly Islamic constitutions, thanks to the W administration, ensuring endless demand for weapons as Afghans and Iraqis fight among themselves over the true meaning of Islam.) I react to the destruction of language the same way I react to ISIL destroying ancient religious statues, because the perpetrators have the same motive: they want to create a clean slate and control the parameters of discussion; there must be no history prior to their doctrine, and no ability to communicate except on their re-defined terms.

+1.

curious2 says

I react to the destruction of language the same way I react to ISIL destroying ancient religious statues, because the perpetrators have the same reason: they want to create a clean slate and control the parameters of discussion; there must be no history prior to their doctrine, and no ability to communicate except on their re-defined terms.

If you guys can't handle the truth about Liberals and Obama then you're free to make up good and positive stories about them.
Stories like that just don't write them selves with these fucksticks.

You have a harder job of convincing me of one single positive thing he's done.

curious2 says

his issue goes to part of what George Orwell tried to address in "Politics and the English Language" and more broadly in 1984. Eviscerating the language is a form of social manipulation, like the revision of history.

Absolutely. How things are said do affect how people think about those things. However, my point is that it shouldn't and that I will always look at the meaning, not the phrasing, of a message.

Unfortunately for your cognitive capabilities, phrasing affects meaning.
By allowing yourself to diminish phrasing, you consciously/unconsciously project your biased meaning into the sentence.
When others follow suit, a simple sentence is transformed into a blank slate for others to interpret as they see fit.
You sit there pecking at the backlit letters in front of you through clenched teeth, wondering all the while why certain classes of individuals do not see perceived facts as you see them. Look in the mirror.

I will always look at the meaning, not the phrasing, of a message.

Now can you just give Ms Webster a fuckin break and use the words that are in there as they were initially defined?
If you need a word to describe something, go play a couple thousand rounds of scrabble and invent one. They are not all used up, y'know...

Dan8267 says

Absolutely. How things are said do affect how people think about those things. However, my point is that it shouldn't and that I will always look at the meaning, not the phrasing, of a message.

SoftShell says

Now can you just give Ms Webster a fuckin break and use the words that are in there as they were initially defined?

So are you implying that words don't naturally change meaning over time? When you say someone is gay--you mean happy? Or when you use fantastic--you only mean imaginary?

Things change

a good portion of word definitions change due to political correctness being shoved down our throats by the libby press.
that is not a natural act.
tatupu70 says

SoftShell says

Now can you just give Ms Webster a fuckin break and use the words that are in there as they were initially defined?

So are you implying that words don't naturally change meaning over time?

with cutie, it's always a jester backing up his positions...maher..colbert et al...

CaptainShuddup says

Fuck Colbert! Stop injecting the Federal Jester into every argument.

Dan8267 says

By the way, the converse of the phenomenon I describe above was skillfully described by Steven Colbert on the pilot episode of The Colbert Report.

this is damning evidence...

Rew says

Dan8267 says

the evil people have always been conservatives

It's a good jab, but not true. There are plenty of leftist ills perpetrated,

This goes hand in hand with the current War on Webster...

Rew says

CaptainShuddup says

Well hell you just reach on in there and relabel them to suit your ideology.

It's called "political realignment".

ohhhhh...i see.
ok for blacks and libbys to utter the N word, but let an Independent or right winger say it and they are branded racists...
i see...
I See...
I SEE....
GOT IT!!

Dan8267 says

By the way, a liberal has no problem referring to the word "nigger"

SoftShell says

ohhhhh...i see.

ok for blacks and libbys to utter the N word, but let an Independent or right winger say it and they are branded racists...

i see...

I See...

I SEE....

GOT IT!!

Dan8267 says

By the way, a liberal has no problem referring to the word "nigger"

Once again, you show your ignorance and stupidity. It's not who says the word, but in what context they say it. To use any word, especially one with the deplorable history of "nigger", to dehumanize a person is wrong and deplorable. In this age of relative enlightenment, anyone who does that will be despised by everyone else and rightfully so. This is not political correctness, but simply appropriate disgust. If you want the benefits of cooperation, you cannot do things that undermine cooperation like dehumanize large groups of people.

If conservatives could actually have an adult conversation about the word, no one would have a problem with them using the word in that conversation. But really, conservatives demonstrate time and time again that they want to say "nigger, nigger, nigger" like they used to in the 1950s. Since they can't, they use thinly veiled codewords like "thug" and they use it to dehumanize black men even a star football athlete who in no way is associated with crime. And why? Because he trashed talked just like ten thousand other white athletes did for the past 200 years before him, none of which has ever been called a thug.

When someone calls a conservative a racist, it's almost definitely true. "Social conservatism" is simply code for racist, tribal, cave man. Conservationism is nothing but having a cave man mentality where everyone who isn't a close relative or looks like you is an enemy tribe that must be destroyed before they attack you. That kind of mentality cannot be tolerated in the 21st century. The world is simply too small and too interconnected. People with that mentality must be rejected by society and preferably sterilized so they cannot pass on their defective cave man genes to the next generation. Conservatives demonstrate that not everyone should breed.

Oh, and by the way, all those Islamic terrorists are conservatives gone wild in the absence of liberals. Look at the Middle East today and you will see exactly what a truly conservative society looks like: tribal, feuding, sexually repressed, poor, ignorant, and very religious. Afghanistan is everything conservatives look for in a society.

Dan8267 says

He's pointing out your hypocrisy.

By the way, a liberal has no problem referring to the word "nigger" when talking about the word itself. Calling it the N-word is childish and only serves to re-empower the word. The whole reason that African Americans call each other nigger in song and conversation is to take away the power of that word to dehumanize. So referring to it as the N-word is counterproductive. It's like calling Voldemort, he who must not be named.

You are nuts Dan. Only Blacks are allowed to use the "N word" No one else is allowed to.

SoftShell says

ohhhhh...i see.

ok for blacks and libbys to utter the N word, but let an Independent or right winger say it and they are branded racists...

i see...

I See...

I SEE....

GOT IT!!

Dan8267 says

By the way, a liberal has no problem referring to the word "nigger"

Dan is drunk.

I wouldn't be if your mother would give me a 10 minute recess between blowjobs...

sbh says

Hey Limpy,

Yes, that's correct.

sbh says

you don't give a flying fuck what any of us says about you,

well, every time i type in "www.heyNwordyouneedhelp?.com" i get the 408 url error...
but that's just me...you've already demonstrated your limits in written word and photography.

sbh says

go devote all your time to www.heyniggerfuckyou.com forums where you can speak in the cretinous tongues of the unoppressed.

you have an art library of people eating real shit, purely for personal enjoyment.

sbh says

You censor yourself purely out of shame

i love these libby 'either/or' declarations...expand your horizons and try 'neither'.

sbh says

You're either a coward or ashamed of being a racist.

Because, thankfully, I'm not like you.

sbh says

Do you really know why you can't say nigger?

wow...project much?

sbh says

It's because you can't say it without hatred and disgusting prejudice

you talkin some crazy lingo...jingo..

sbh says

The only solitary time you dare to say it is when you ape rappers,

we are all ape derivatives...do you actually have a point?

sbh says

the people you already consider to be apes

your mother can testify i'm not impotent.
and...well...last time i visited it was all on her....

sbh says

Don't fob off your impotence on anyone, moron, it's all on you.

No shit sherlock...
Where your ignorance and stupidity shine is that you fail to recognize that whenever most people right of center say it, in the proper non-racist context, they are still branded a racist by people left of center.
Now tell me again how right of center Dr Laura is a racist for uttering the words on radio in the proper non-insulting context...

Dan8267 says

ok for blacks and libbys to utter the N word, but let an Independent or right winger say it and they are branded racists...

Dan8267 says

Once again, you show your ignorance and stupidity. It's not who says the word, but in what context they say it.

Um, you said that, not me. Get your quotes straight.

SoftShell says

Now tell me again how right of center Dr Laura is a racist for uttering the words on radio in the proper non-insulting context...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/F_MGntFSAuo

Schelessinger isn't a racist because she said African Americans say "nigger, nigger, nigger" in music and in comedy acts. Schelessinger is a racist because she is fucking racist. She's also ignorant and obviously a unqualified as any kind of psychologist.

Her actual racist comments are:
1. Don't NAACP me.
2. So a word is restricted by race. Got it.
3. If you are going to marry out of your race, people are going to say OK what do blacks think, what do whites think.
4. And what I heard from Jade is a lot of what I hear from black think and it's really distressing and disturbing.

These comments indicate a that Schelessinger looks down at African Americans with disgust and a belief that they are inherently inferior.

And yes, the black woman who called in did start race baiting to character assassinate Schelessinger after Schelessinger dismissed her grievance with little thought or examination. That black woman was wrong. Whether or not her grievance had any merit is unknown because there was not enough information presented to make any determination.

However, just because the black woman was race baiting doesn't mean that Schelessinger wasn't ignorant and racist herself. Sometimes both sides of an argument are wrong.

Even aside from the racial themes, Schelessinger demonstrates a complete lack of personal skills, professionalism, insight, or even basic listening skills which makes me question why anyone would call her for advice.

Dan8267 says

Schelessinger isn't a racist because she said African Americans say "nigger, nigger, nigger" in music and in comedy acts. Schelessinger is a racist because she is fucking racist. She's also ignorant and obviously a unqualified as any kind of psychologist.

Laura seemed angry. I would agree with a lot of her points, but she should have known uttering the "N " word can and will lead to trouble regardless of context, especially on the radio.