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MH17

By Hassan_Rouhani following x   2015 Jul 9, 5:55pm 3,265 views   17 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


It's almost a year since the act of terror has been committed. The investigation is nearing its conclusion. Malaysia is asking for UN to set up an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected in downing the plane and Russia is suddenly against it and threatens to veto. They had so many "versions" backed by so much "evidence", were so eager for the investigation to be finished, screaming non-stop "why it takes so long?" and "are we there yet?" since last July, but now they don't want to punish these horrible terrorist fascist Nazis anymore and want the whole thing to just go away. What gives?

And why does Russia even care one way or another: it wasn't their plane, no Russian citizens were on board, it was downed not in their airspace, etc. Looks like tacit admission that they were indeed involved. Isn't it ironic that the guy who was so obsessed with the fate of Gaddafi now has his own Lockerbie?

#crime

1   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 27, 4:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

An international criminal investigation into the shooting down of flight MH17 is likely to conclude that the plane was downed by a Buk missile fired from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine, diplomats say.

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) has been gathering evidence for a possible criminal trial and is due to present its interim findings on Wednesday. Dutch police and prosecutors have been working with judicial colleagues from Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine.
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The report follows an earlier inquiry by the Dutch Safety Board. It concluded a missile fired by a sophisticated Buk surface-to-air system struck the Malaysia Airlines aircraft as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. It exploded next to the cockpit. All 298 people on board were killed.

According to diplomatic sources, international investigators will give a precise Google location showing that the Buk was located in separatist-controlled territory, near the village of Snizhne.

The JIT has been working on the scenario that the Buk came from the Kremlin’s 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade based in the Russian city of Kursk. It was smuggled across the Russian-Ukrainian border in July 2014 and spotted leaving rebel-held Donetsk on a low-loader, heading east.
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Van de Roer said he was pessimistic that Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, would cooperate with the tribunal or hand over possible suspects to the Hague for trial. He also described the Dutch government’s approach as “bureaucratic and legalistic”.

“My fear is that this will end up as a kind of Lockerbie,” he said, adding that in the case of the 1988 Pan Am bombing it was never known if Abdelbaset al-Megrahi – convicted in 2001 – was the only perpetrator.

“The simple question is what will [British foreign secretary] Boris Johnson do? He has talked harsh words in the last few days over Russia in Syria. Will he be just as tough with the Russians over MH17?”

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Russia has vehemently denied responsibility. On Monday its ministry of defence released satellite data which it said proved the missile had not been fired from rebel territory. It suggested Ukraine was responsible.

In 2014, however, the same ministry claimed a mysterious Ukrainian fighter jet had shot down the Boeing 777. The “jet” disappeared from Russia’s latest presentation. MH17’s route had also changed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/27/mh17-inquiry-missile-launch-buk-ukraine-russia?CMP=share_btn_tw

PS.

Q. How do you know Russians are lying?
A. Their lips move.

2   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 27, 7:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Well, if an airliner is downed, look into the past of the potential actors.

Hasn't Ukraine shot down civilian planes before in the recent past? Why did Kiev ATC suddenly route a plane over Donbass after weeks of routing them south away from the region? Why won't Dutch authorities release the black box and open it up for open source analysis?

Why would Donbass rebels hand over the black box to the Dutch if it was incriminating? Why let various organizations tramp over the crashsite gathering evidence? Why not claim it couldn't be found? Why not say "Whoops, we took it all to scrapyard, so sorry!"

What incentive do the Russians or Donbass Rebels have for shooting down an airliner?

Now, what incentive does the anti-Russian, anti-Donbass, "Social National" government have for shooting down an airliner near the Donbass?

3   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 27, 8:43pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

thunderlips11 is from Olgino says

Well, if an airliner is downed, look into the past of the potential actors.

Yep, Russia has once downed a civilian aircraft in cold blood. Does KAL 007 ring any bells? I bet it does.

thunderlips11 is from Olgino says

Hasn't Ukraine ...? Why...? Why won't ...?

Why would ...? Why let ..? Why not ...? Why not say ...

What incentive ...?

Now, what incentive ...?

Russians are good at generating bazillions of questions and loony "versions" in attempt of drowning the issue in the sea of bullshit. Actually, famous for it as one of their favorite propaganda techniques. It doesn't matter in a criminal investigation though.

4   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2016 Sep 27, 10:41pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

It's all DNC Propaganda to distract from their failures in the Middle East and the Email Scandals.

5   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Sep 28, 7:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

A real passenger manifest - not the fake one provided - would tell us which enemies of Putin conspired to fabricate this false-flag event.

6   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 24, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The investigation group has been contacted by at least 10 witnesses - all Russian citizens - who claim they either witnessed or took part in the downing of the MH17. The clock is ticking...

7   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 24, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Keep the F-35 "Lead Sled II" "Century Series for the 21st Century" alive!!

8   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 24, 12:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Keep the F-35 "Lead Sled II" "Century Series for the 21st Century" alive!!

Not complaining about investigation being "too slow" anymore?

9   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 24, 12:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's takes time to tendentiously write a report and find replacement experts for the ones who quit in disgust.

10   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2017 Jan 25, 12:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The court of justice of the EU: Russia is supplying heavy weapons in the Donbass

The European court of General jurisdiction recognized the validity of sanctions against the Russian company Almaz-Antey, engaged in the manufacture of heavy weapons that Russia supplies militants in the Donbass. About this on his page in Facebook said the Deputy Minister of justice of Ukraine on European integration Sergei Petukhov, placing a link on the court’s decision.

Almaz-Antey has decided to challenge the sanctions imposed by the European Union. The court recognized the validity of this decision.

In the text of the court decision dated 25 January 2017, said, “Almaz-Antei is a Russian state company. It produces anti-aircraft weapons, including missiles surface-to-air, which are supplied to the Russian army. The Russian authorities have supplied heavy weapons to the separatists in Eastern Ukraine, contributing to the destabilization of Ukraine. It is a weapon used by the separatists, including to shoot down aircraft. Consequently, the company Almaz-Antey contributes to the destabilization of Ukraine”.

“The court rejects the appeal of the Almaz-Antei and, thus, supports the freezing of funds of this company,” – said in the text.

http://24-my.info/the-court-of-justice-of-the-eu-russia-is-supplying-heavy-weapons-in-the-donbass/

11   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Jan 25, 12:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Did Eurocrats resolve what "Abnormal Curvature of Bananas" means yet?

12   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 12, 6:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Russian Colonel General Identified as Key MH17 Figure

A joint investigation between The Insider and Bellingcat used open source research, investigative journalism, and forensic voice analysis to determine the identity of “Delfin,” a key figure sought by the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), the Dutch-led criminal investigation into the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). The investigation has identified, to a high degree of certainty, Delfin as Colonel General Nikolai Fedorovich Tkachev, currently serving as the Chief Inspector of the Central Military District of the Russian Federation.


https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2017/12/08/russian-colonel-general-delfin/

The noose is tightening, bitchez.
14   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 May 25, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Australia and the Netherlands say they are holding Russia responsible for downing a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet in 2014.

All 298 people on board MH17, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, died when it was shot down over rebel-held territory in Ukraine.

On Thursday, Dutch-led international investigators concluded that the missile belonged to a Russian brigade.

Russia has denied any involvement in the plane's destruction.

Moscow's defence ministry said it "rejects the version of the Dutch investigators". It has previously insisted that none of its weapons were used to bring down MH17.

The team of international investigators, however, found that "all the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces". It was fired from rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.

When it hit the Malaysia Airlines plane, it killed 193 Dutch nationals, 43 people from Malaysia, and 27 from Australia. Other victims came from countries including Indonesia, the UK, Belgium, Germany and the Philippines.


What is Russia being accused of?

The Netherlands and Australia say it violated international law.

The decision was announced in a statement from the Dutch government and by Australia's foreign minister Julie Bishop.

"On the basis of the [joint international team's] conclusions, the Netherlands and Australia are now convinced that Russia is responsible for the deployment of the Buk installation that was used to down MH17," Dutch foreign minister Stef Blok said.

"The government is now taking the next step by formally holding Russia accountable."

Australia and the Netherlands have asked Russia to enter talks as a first step, but held out the prospect of taking the case to an international court.

The EU, US, Nato and the UK added their own calls for Russia to accept responsibility for the incident.


The statement added, however, that holding a nation state responsible for a breach of international law would involve "a complex legal process".

"We call on Russia to accept its responsibility and cooperate fully with the process to establish the truth and achieve justice for the victims of flight MH17 and their next of kin," Mr Blok said.

On the Australian side, Ms Bishop wrote: "The only conclusion we can reasonably now draw is that Russia was directly involved in the downing of MH17."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44252150
15   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 May 26, 6:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The United States has complete confidence in the findings of the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) as presented today by the Dutch Public Prosecutor: the missile launcher used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 originated from the 53rd Anti-aircraft Brigade of the Russian Federation, stationed in Kursk.
Today’s announcement confirms and adds detail to what we have said from the earliest days of this tragedy:MH17 was shot down by a Russian-made BUK surface-to-air missile fired from territory in eastern Ukraine controlled by Russia and Russia-led forces.
We recall the UN Security Council’s demand that “those responsible … be held to account and that all States cooperate fully with efforts to establish accountability.” We call upon Russia, in particular, to respect and adhere to UN Security Council Resolution 2166 (2014). It is time for Russia to cease its lies and account for its role in the shoot down.
We remain confident in the ability of the Dutch criminal justice system to prosecute those responsible in a manner that is fair and just.
We again extend our deepest sympathies to the families and friends of the victims and call for justice on behalf of the 298 innocent civilians who lost their lives on that day.
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/05/282498.htm
16   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 May 26, 6:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

#PutinIsGaddafi




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