patrick.net

What do the murders FW is talking about and the one committed by this kid from Charleston, have in common, besides racism ? Answer: they were committed with hand guns that most Americans think should be harder to obtain.

Maybe fear of being murdered is just part of the price of freedom ? I guess there are different types of freedom ? Or freedom for different groups of people ? The freedom some people want, to live without fear of being shot, impinges on the freedom of those who want to have guns to shoot someone if the need so arises.

#1 on the list is the redefinition of a 3 miler as a 5k.
the fuckers just can't leave words alone.

FortWayne says

Liberals and real race issues.

FortWayne says

The black man hates white people, murders 2 on national television. Probably because from day one of his life he is constantly told by liberals how oppressed he is as a black man and all injustice stems from whites. And somehow to liberals it became a "gun control" issue, not a race relations issue. blacklivesmatter, I heard that. Never heard that whitelivesmatter though from a single liberal because to them that would be racist.

Idiocy. You have outdone yourself FW. Maybe he was just plain nuts and what you call "gun control" is what normal people call keeping nuts from getting guns. So what is your excuse when some cracker redneck white supremest shoots up a bunch of people? Was he constantly told from day one by liberals how oppressed he is. Go peddle your bullshit somewhere else. You should be embarrassed to use a picture of Ronald Reagan, you really should.

You're as nutty the shooter is, and almost certainly have a gun.

bob2356 says

Idiocy. You have outdone yourself FW. Maybe he was just plain nuts and what you call "gun control" is what normal people call keeping nuts from getting guns

Idiocy my sore eye! This man was considered mentally stable and would not be prevented from gun ownership anyway. The problem was that he was a racist who hated white people and being a lone asshole he eventually snapped and killed before dispatching himself. And he was a racist, because liberals constantly blame people into groups and create slob assholes like him!

Don't worry. We will vouch for you.

bob2356 says

So what is your excuse when some cracker redneck white supremest shoots up a bunch of people?

FortWayne says

The black man hates white people, murders 2 on national television. Probably because from day one of his life he is constantly told by liberals how oppressed he is as a black man and all injustice stems from whites. And somehow to liberals it became a "gun control" issue, not a race relations issue. blacklivesmatter, I heard that. Never heard that whitelivesmatter though from a single liberal because to them that would be racist.

This isn't someone who surrounded themselves with anti-race paraphernalia, associated with a hate group, or that symbology. This is a case where someone was unhappy, isolated, angry, and on the fringe. If you read what occurred in the shooters life that lead to where he is at now, it doesn't paint a picture of someone who is likely in the best state of mental health or frame of mind. Yes, there is a racial componetn here, but it seems slight in compared to other factors.

The same reason I want good relations with muslims in the US, is the same reason I'd ask for good relations between all races, and sexual orientations. When you build a community of understanding, when you feel the simple core truth of being unified because you are human, the differences melt away. In a very real way, society often creates most of its murderers and criminals.

You can view this through whatever lens you want to. Point is, this guy always felt like the world was out to get him, and he finally snapped. That's not perpetuated and somehow made worse by "liberal" points of view. The liberals are just more willing to acknowledge that there have been some extreme advantages to being white, in the US, and there is some truth to the deck being stacked against a gay black man in the USA. Advantages have generational affects, and because I'm white, I know they got me where I am today ... tracing things back as far as my great grandparents. That doesn't discount all the hard work my family did, or take away from the fact that I earn what comes to me, it just acknowledges that my family wasn't put in internment camps, could openly serve in the military (right race and sexual preference), and they had the benefit of larger community support than minorities did.

FortWayne says

This man was considered mentally stable and would not be prevented from gun ownership anyway.

Sounds like weeks to months before this occurred, any mental health professional worth their salt, would have deemed this guy a risk. That's my impression anyway.

Regardless, we periodically re-test people for competency in driving, and we also confiscate licenses to drive when skill is proven lacking on the road. We have no equivalent for firearm ownership. Let's put it this way, if both my parents started suffering form dementia or mental issues, I'd take the keys to the gun cabinet. Wouldn't you?

This guy had no one supporting him. We as a society had nothing to help here. I think it would be awfully hard in this instance to prevent something like this. Yes, it will happen again. But we can do way better here. We aren't even trying. Physical checkups are just that, physical. People can literally make themselves sick or will themselves to die. When we put something in place that starts helping the mental component more, that will go a long way toward the health of individuals, and the society as a whole.

Rep/Cons hate all children but their own. They aren't racist.They were more than glad to murder young men of any color in their war based on a LIE.

Fort Wayne,
That's the way real opinionated trolling is done.

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FortWayne says

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FortWayne says

And he was a racist, because liberals constantly blame people into groups and create slob assholes like him!

and the kkk blames people into groups because they are really a bunch of liberals at heart?

Is there really a kkk still in existence?

They have so much influence....

dodgerfanjohn says

Is there really a kkk still in existence?

The KKK pretty much lost their influence when the racist Democrats lost control of the South.

dodgerfanjohn says

Is there really a kkk still in existence?

They have so much influence....

To bad you can't follow the conversation. Should everyone type slower for you? It's an example dipstick. Other examples, Aryan nation, Aryan brotherhood, White power skinhead, Nazi lowriders, etc., etc., etc. since you are too dumb to know that these groups exist.

bob2356 says

To bad you can't follow the conversation. Should everyone type slower for you? It's an example dipstick. Other examples, Aryan nation, Aryan brotherhood, White power skinhead, Nazi lowriders, etc., etc., etc. since you are too dumb to know that these groups exist.

All these groups are marginalized (or criminalized). They don't have a fraction of the political and cultural power they did in the last century when the Democrats were running the South and sending their Grand Kleagle KKK members to the US Senate like Byrd.

Black Live's Matters groups are able to storm the stage and force Democrat presidential nominees like Sanders, Clinton and OMalley to bend to their agenda.

BTW - when is ABC going to release the entire manifesto from the dude that killed the two reporters? Might be embarrassing to the Progressives and PC crowd I suppose?. The Media didn't hesitate to release all the known information, pictures and writings from Dylan Roof.

Liberals hate everyone. They just don't want to admit it.

jvolstad says

Liberals hate everyone. They just don't want to admit it.

That's not true--we love hippies, bums, freeloaders, gays, etc. right?

The world is a misanthropy so everyone has to paint themselves green as an antidote.

jvolstad says

Liberals hate everyone. They just don't want to admit it.

Dan was one of those who actually openly admitted to hating everyone in America past and present.

Rew says

You can view this through whatever lens you want to. Point is, this guy always felt like the world was out to get him, and he finally snapped. That's not perpetuated and somehow made worse by "liberal" points of view. The liberals are just more willing to acknowledge that there have been some extreme advantages to being white, in the US, and there is some truth to the deck being stacked against a gay black man in the USA. Advantages have generational affects, and because I'm white, I know they got me where I am today ... tracing things back as far as my great grandparents.

Then how do you explain Asians-many of whom immigrated here legally are stuck on visas, struggle to get greencards and citizenship and are still very successful- starting with one hand tied behind their back. Nobody giving them a handout, nobody giving them preference in admissions , nobody giving them jobs to fill a quota. Although now I am hearing of quite a few Asian and who are going on welfare as they learn the tricks and trades-these are ones who have been here a while and used to run daycares, cook/clean at restaurants and were generally hard working, but not very educated. The American welfare system is killing their drive to be self sufficient and dignified.

FortWayne says

Liberals and real race issues.

Honey, if your ancestors hadn't kidnapped and enslaved Africans and if YOU and your ancestors didn't engage in unethical practices from lynchings to segregation to systematic impoverishing of African Americans, then the very problem your bitching and moaning about, violent crimes of black youths, would not exist. YOU are to blame.

How about you do something to address the cause of the problem, the wealth gap and the transgenerational poverty you caused? Fix those things and violent crime will go away.

You conservatives are the cause of every problem you complain about.

socal2 says

The KKK pretty much lost their influence when the racist Democrats lost control of the South.

And then became the base of the GOP.

CL says

And then became the base of the GOP.

So how is it that African Americans are fleeing Liberal run northern States and Cities to move back to the South?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/0316/Why-African-Americans-are-moving-back-to-the-South

Seems to me that history shows that African Americans are driven to flee wherever the Democrats are in charge.

And here you go liberals read and come to your senses.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/31/us/texas-deputy-killed-gas-station/

"This rhetoric has gotten out of control," said Goforth's boss, Harris County, Texas, Sheriff Ron Hickman. "We've heard 'black lives matter,' 'All lives matter.' Well, cops' lives matter, too. So why don't we just drop the qualifier, and just say 'Lives matter,' and take that to the bank?"

Dan8267 says

How about you do something to address the cause of the problem, the wealth gap and the transgenerational poverty you caused? Fix those things and violent crime will go away.

You mean fix it like the Liberals have fixed Detroit and Chicago?

Why do you suppose African Americans are voting with their feet and moving to the South?

Dan8267 says

Honey, if your ancestors hadn't kidnapped and enslaved Africans and if YOU and your ancestors didn't engage in unethical practices from lynchings to segregation to systematic impoverishing of African Americans, then the very problem your bitching and moaning about, violent crimes of black youths, would not exist. YOU are to blame.

The problem isn't me Nancy, I lynch no one. And I'm sure that asshole didn't ever know a single person who was lynched since 1865 was over a 100 years ago. It's whiny ass liberals like you, who are complete failures in life and in self victimization mentality blame everyone else for your own failures. Hence you got assholes like that murderer in the article who buy into that liberal mentality and go murder whoever they feel like that day in their emotional childish outrage. While liberal excuses come pouring in.

dodgerfanjohn says

Is there really a kkk still in existence?

Not even a FRACTION much as the Liberal's needs them to be.

Liberals are useless without someone to fight, and if they can't find any, they'll just dig up ghosts, or find a outlier and make them the proxy representation for an absent foe.
Liberal's are as useless as tits on Rosie.

I see Ted Cruz appreciates where FW's pov. Maybe he's been reading Patrick.net ?

I'm pretty sure I'm too much of a racist to appreciate where Ted Cruz and FW are coming from on this.

“I’m proud to stand with law enforcement,” he said. “… We need a president who doesn’t attack and vilify them, and who doesn’t seek to tear us apart along racial lines, to inflame racial divisions.”

Also, if wasn't such a racist, I might be able to appreciate the irony involved in Cruz complaining about others politicizing tragedies such as these. Clearly Cruz's message is something that can only be comprehended by those who are the least racist. This is bold of him, since the republicans in the south used to be the Dixiecrats, known for their racism.

I salute Cruz for not stooping to using this tragedy as an opportunity to appeal to racists in his base, and instead taking the high ground and crafting a message that can only be heard by freedom loving non-racists such as FW.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/cruz-pins-deputys-murder-on-obama-shrugs-off-jackass-label-from-speaker-john-boehner.html/

socal2 says

You mean fix it like the Liberals have fixed Detroit and Chicago?

Honey, you still don't know what a liberal is, do you?

FortWayne says

The problem isn't me Nancy, I lynch no one.

But I'm pretty sure some close relatives of yours did. And I'm pretty sure some of your ancestors were slave owners and the ones that weren't were enforcing segregation, denying black businesses loans, preventing the hiring of blacks, and generally causing the very systemic poverty that generates violent crime today. So yes, you and your family are the cause of the problem.

Not knowing Fort Wayne's ancestry, I'll simply play the odds and repeat what I've said before...that most white people in the U.S. Are descended from people who immigrated here post civil war.

Personally, my adoptive families came from Germany after starving in Berlin after WWI and the other side came to escape religious persecution by the Czar in Russia in the late 1800's and early 1900's. My biological bloodlines are German, Irish, and Cherokee. Again descended from people who almost certainly had no hand in slaves and almost certainly were descended from peasant class in Europe(or worse).

The current race discourse in the U.S. Is borderline insanity and does not reflect reality. And TBH I, as well as most Americans, despise racism and truly do believe in the ideals of individual liberties and freedoms. I'll call racism where I see it and the current crop of "Black lives matter" folks are compensated racists.

Oh and Dan, the only systemic cause of poverty these days in the U.S. is generational poverty and ignorance spurred on by dependence on the Federal government for food and shelter. And in contrast to this thread, it actually is more whites in poverty due to this issue than blacks.

That and some white folks actually fought and died to abolish slavery-well quite a few actually-and some blacks in Africa were responsible for catching their fellow men and selling them into slavery. That is the problem when we throw out terms and not look at the whole. Jeniifer lopez and marc Anthony's kids will get far more incentives than some Asian kid or some white kid born to some crack addicted white woman.

Every time you look for a job these days there is a "voluntary " question asking if you are Hispanic . Are blacks now higher than Hispanics or just that dems feel blacks are a lock and so Hispanics need some goodies to get their votes?

dodgerfanjohn says

most white people in the U.S. Are descended from people who immigrated here post civil war

And most white people aren't racist assholes. The white people who are racist assholes are pretty much sons of the Confederacy. They can't admit their ancestors were evil, so they have to continue being racist to justify the actions of their ancestors. It's really sad.

Dan8267 says

And most white people aren't racist assholes. The white people who are racist assholes are pretty much sons of the Confederacy. They can't admit their ancestors were evil, so they have to continue being racist to justify the actions of their ancestors. It's really sad.

Proof? Or is that just your biased assumption?

dodgerfanjohn says

Proof? Or is that just your biased assumption?

Do you need proof that men want to have more one-night stands than women? Some things are just plain obvious.

to be fair, i think they went overboard with the watermelons:

"In the suit, which was dismissed in 2014, Flanagan professed to have photos of a watermelon that he said appeared during a meeting with photographers. “The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear again, only to appear yet again,” he wrote. He urged the judge to pick a jury of his peers — which he defined as African American women."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/suspect-identified-in-shootings-of-va-reporter-camerman/2015/08/26/f1724618-4c05-11e5-84df-923b3ef1a64b_story.html

you don't make fun of a man's "ethnic food"

Dan8267 says

The white people who are racist assholes are pretty much sons of the Confederacy. They can't admit their ancestors were evil, so they have to continue being racist to justify the actions of their ancestors. It's really sad.

This is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard you say. The only correct part is that there are plenty of white racists in the south. But it's not because they are defensive about slavery. Actually there are plenty of racists in the north too btw, it's just different. Racism can be anything from fear of the unknown, to other types of fear or hatred, all the way to all kinds of very specific judgments and incorrect generalizations.

Your generalization I just quoted is every bit as ignorant (or massively oversimplified) as many racist generalizations.

I know you didn't say all descendants of people that owned slaves in the south are racist in that way, but you said all the racists in the south are racist for that reason. There may be a very indirect connection, but most racists in the south aren't even descended from slave owners.

Racism in the south has to do with white community values and beliefs. Especially poor white communities (not descendants of slave owners) going way way back. After the civil war there were large black communities, and the poor white folk (80 0r 90% of white folk) wanted to keep them separate, even still do in many cases. If you think about it, there is a huge piece of this that's economic. After slavery was over, most of the poor white population now had new competition for jobs. So there was a collective action, not even necessarily planned, or if it was, it was planned by a small number of people (kkk types), to keep the black man down, and not competing directly with them for their labor, and too some extent relegating them to the very lowest paying work. They wanted to believe "the negro" was inferior, and this could be perpetuated in some ways due to less opportunities of all kind, especially education. Once you believe a group to somehow be inferior, then that justifies keeping them in that lower economic strata. It was easy to keep these false beliefs because of such significant differences in appearance, language and so on. Of course the very small percentage that had been slave owners, the aristocracy, benefited as well. In fact their labor cost (for cotton picking) couldn't have been very much higher than it had been with slavery.

And then all the negative affects follow. I guess you can trace it back to slavery, that the African Americans are even here. But much of the racism in modern times was more due to the aftermath of slavery. IT would have been enlightened to just integrate blacks immediately into being equal brothers and sisters. But then there's the question of intermarrying. That questions can't be avoided. I don't have the slightest problem with it, but if total integration had occurred in some enlightened way, quickly, would that mean quickly moving toward a lot of mixed marriages ? Would we quickly blur the lines between races in the same way that Americans have mixed all different European lines ?
I don't know what's best there, although it is inevitable to a much greater degree than what's happened so far. Maybe that's not even meant to happen quickly.

Much of what you're talking about is more human nature, and the ignorance of humans, the slow rate at which we evolve, rather than pure evil.

Speaking of evil, and your absolute definitions of good and evil (lack of grey areas), I'm curious. Are you a vegetarian ? (I'm not. But I'm curious since everything is so black and white for you).

marcus says

This is one of the more ridiculous things I've ever heard you say. The only correct part is that there are plenty of white racists in the south. But it's not because they are defensive about slavery.

No, you are completely wrong on that. Have you ever taken the U.S. citizenship test? I have, for shits and giggles. The test says that the cause of the Civil War was "economic differences" and not "human rights". Yep, slavery is an economic difference despite all evidence to the contrary.

The south still calls the Civil War, the War of Northern Aggression.

The south whitewashes slavery whenever it can.

The Confederate navy jack is still flown over municipalities and courthouses in the south, and it is flown ONLY because the KKK adopted it as a symbol that they were still fighting the Civil War. Before the KKK adopted this flag, no one flew the Confederate navy jack or even any of the three real flags of the Confederacy.

marcus says

Actually there are plenty of racists in the north too btw

No one has said otherwise. But the problem of racism is orders of magnitude greater in the south than in the north. To deny this is simply a lie. There was antisemitism in England during WWII, but so say that it was the same as that in Nazi Germany and so it's a wash is a ridiculous equivalency.

Many southern whites are history revisionists because...

But many whites cannot stomach the fact that Epps is their ancestor or that they financially benefited from his actions. Epps cannot be the norm for whites. He must be the exception. To that extent, many whites refuse to admit that major U.S. corporations, banks, and universities made their fortunes off slavery. They cannot come to terms with the fact that whites have gotten a 400-year head start and are now trying to dismantle some of the only policies in place to level the playing field. For if they admitted these realities, guilt would surely follow.

For many whites, denial then turns to anger.

And because of this, they must deny the history slavery...

We are a nation based on about 246 years of slavery, more than half of our history. The extreme oppressiveness of U.S. slavery is thus not taken seriously by many white Americans. Not surprisingly perhaps, brochures circulated by some southern state governments still provide a distorted view of U.S. history. One South Carolina brochure provided to visitors at the state’s travel centers has a two-page history of the state from the 1500s to the present, with not a single mention of slaves or slavery there. Yet, slavery was central to the state’s economy for a very long period of time.

Today, Texas is whitewashing slavery in history books, and this matters to everyone because Texas largely decides what schoolbooks your children will read regardless of what state they are in.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rF4ZwFrEcrM

And there are other attempts to revise history as well.

The effort to revise the history of the Civil War to favor the South in popular memory began the moment that America's bloodiest war had come to an end. Former Confederate leaders, preachers and ideologues, determined to shake off the notion that they had fought to defend a society based on human servitude, launched a campaign to bury the real cause of the war that has not ended to this day.

The purpose of this myth of the Lost Cause, in the words of scholar Alan T. Nolan, was to rewrite history "to hide the Southerners' tragic and self-destructive mistake" by fostering "a heroic image of secession and the war so that Confederates would have salvaged at least their honor from the all-encompassing defeat."

Men such as Alexander Stephens, the rebel vice president who once famously described white supremacy as the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy, rushed out popular histories that claimed that the war had not been about slavery at all.

Now comes the latest effort in that tradition, a $56-million, 216-minute blockbuster film called "Gods and Generals." Funded by Ted Turner Pictures and directed, written and produced by Ronald Maxwell, who made the successful Civil War film "Gettysburg," this 2003 "prequel" has neo-Confederates salivating.

You do not get over the evils of the past by denying that they existed or that they were minor, on par with other minor slights. The American South is a culture of vileness and evil. If modern southerns want the respect of the rest of the world and forgiveness for their past, they must admit their sins and change their culture. Otherwise, they deserve to be judged on the past actions of their culture. We forgave Germany because it changed. The American South still clings to that vile culture.

Oops, time to log out and see what utter gibberish Marcus posted this time.

Eh, what a mistake that was. I think Dan inadvertently tried to warn me. My bad.

jvolstad says

Liberals hate everyone. They just don't want to admit it.

that's the inverse.

liberals actually hate themselves. it's that sense of inadequacy that induces the obsession with equality.

case 1: "i'm not a freak if SCOTUS decides i can legally marry another man, don't see you see mom & dad? how normal society thinks i am?"
case 2: "children's athletics are about participation - everyone gets a trophy, so that my son doesn't feel inadequate after losing the match"

note: one can by gay and not be a liberal.

What kind of savage doesnt warsh his anal beads and butt plugs when they're finished with them? Like his momma didn't teach him no manners