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Democrat thrown in Jail for refusing to issue a gay marriage license.

By socal2 following x   2015 Sep 3, 1:19pm 19,392 views   65 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/

This is the America we live in now.

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

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26   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 3, 6:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says

She is not imposing anything if people are free to marry by law anyways with other clerks (if you leave out the technicality about her not being able to be fired), she is just strongly signaling she doesn't want to work there anymore ;) T

Well actually, in her case as clerk she has to sign off or she has to authorize her deputies to sign. She is refusing both options-effusing to do it herself or authorize her deputies to be signatories. So she is using the law and he ropponents are using the alw.

But yeah, methinks marriage should be a contract between individuals in whatever combination-as long as said individuals are adults. They should get to decide what si reasonable alimony/child support etc and maybe have those entered int he court clerk say every 5 years-so there is no he said/she said. The gubmnt should stay out of it and only step in when basic needs are not being met-starvation, hunger and such.

27   David9   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 3, 6:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says

full punitive force against a few scapegoats that are shunned by society anyways

I don't think of Martha Stewart as being on the edge, fringe of society.

mell says

whether one may disagree with that or not.

Okay. We are all entitled to our beliefs and opinions.

I, however, think this is the real problem, again, another news quote:

"Just because this evil witch, who I have named Cunt- Face Kim Davis is off to jail for harassing the gay community while being paid on the job by the government, her case represents the much larger problem that bigots and alive and well and will go to great lengths to obey the voices in their head, god."

28   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2015 Sep 3, 7:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

David9 says

Kim Davis is off to jail for harassing the gay community while being paid on the job by the government, her case represents the much larger problem that bigots and alive and well and will go to great lengths to obey the voices in their head, god."

God is sending an IHL who hasn't seen a bar of soap since the Nixon Administration to squat on her face and break her head! I just know!

29   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 3, 7:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Whatever happened to firing people who didn't do their job?

30   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 3, 7:20pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

They should be jailed as accessory to murder.

31   David9   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 3, 7:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says

Whatever happened to firing people who didn't do their job?

Hi, from a NBC new article:

"As an elected official, she can only be removed in a vote by state legislators, who don't reconvene in the State House until January. "

I never said Government was perfect !

32   mell   ignore (2)   2015 Sep 3, 7:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

David9 says

I don't think of Martha Stewart as being on the edge, fringe of society.

She was nailed as an example, he punishment was way too harsh while others get scot free for doing similar shenanigans on a daily basis (and members of congress do it legally!). I actually felt sorry for her.

David9 says

I, however, think this is the real problem, again, another news quote:

"Just because this evil witch, who I have named Cunt- Face Kim Davis is off to jail for harassing the gay community while being paid on the job by the government, her case represents the much larger problem that bigots and alive and well and will go to great lengths to obey the voices in their head, god."

When you look at past great civilizations, they were usually rooted in one main core belief that most people adhered to and mostly homogenous. I understand what is postulated, but I seriously doubt that an entirely non-homogeneous, non-believing society will be judged any better by history. People love and need belief systems, without a religious code they will turn to other "waves" of hivemind-thinking as you can observe in 2nd and 3rd wave feminism and pc social justice warrioring and whatnot which is currently more threatening to a free society in the US than any religion. Milo Yannopolous (who is gay but not leftist/progressive) said it somewhat like this: "Religion is bad, but without religion we will have pc social justice warriors which is worse". Tongue-in-cheek, but this statement bears much truth IMO.

33   mell   ignore (2)   2015 Sep 3, 7:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says

socal2 says

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

They should be jailed as accessory to murder.

Agreed. Though since they are not prosecuted they must have some technicality in the law they can hide behind.

34   David9   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 3, 7:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says

"Religion is bad, but without religion we will have pc social justice warriors which is worse".

I agree.

"Dan Savage: Thrice-Divorced Kim Davis Is A 'Hypocrite,' Just 'Waiting To Cash In'"

I expect to see her on the Sarah Palin circuit. She will never have to take the fee and stamp the Marriage certificate again.

35   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2015 Sep 3, 9:28pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DAVIS is going to be testifying all over the place, describing in searing, twisted detail gays leaping through he windows and bum blasting each other shrieking HAIL SATAN in the clerk's office!

36   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 3, 11:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

DAVIS is going to be testifying all over the place, describing in searing, twisted detail gays leaping through he windows and bum blasting each other shrieking HAIL SATAN in the clerk's office!

Don't be so politically insensitive. Gays don't jump through windows.

37   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2015 Sep 4, 1:58am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says

Don't be so politically insensitive. Gays don't jump through windows.

Then she'll appear on TV shows, wretching righteously while describing the howling IHLs surrounding her and licking her in the name of SATAN while she was in lock up, taunting her for her belief in - and erotic enslavement to - her lord JESUS all the while thrusting their stained crotches into her Christian face and demanding twisted lesbian sex from her!

38   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 4, 7:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can hardly wait for the book: "I Survived Immense Hirsute Lesbian Holocaust, Jesus Saved Me"

39   elliemae   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 8:55am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

She's a Democrat - big deal. She's an Asshole who refuses to uphold the laws she was elected to follow. There also appears to be some nepotism, as the clerk who abstained from issuing licenses is her son?

They need to hold a recall election and elect someone who will follow the law. Davis is breaking the law and damaging lives, and should be treated the same as a drug dealer or someone who commits a violent crime. She is hurting people who are trying to follow the law.

Elliemae's theme for the day: I blame Obama. :)

40   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2015 Sep 4, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What's the fucking big deal. If the law says she goes in jail, put her in there. She didn't go to jail b/c she refused to give a marriage license. She had plenty of options for avoiding jail if she didn't want to martyr herself.

41   elliemae   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 9:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

yes, ynot.

42   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 4, 9:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Since all the slippery slope arguments about "What's to prevent sheep marriage?" are floating around, I'd like to ask crazed Christian extremists if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.

43   socal2   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.

The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail. I had a Muslim that worked for my team who we had to reassign to another task because he prayed 5 times a day and couldn't work in the field.

Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars. Gay marriage has only been legal nationwide for a few months and many prominent Democrats like Obama and Hillary were publicly against gay marriage (for the same reasons as "crazed Christians" and this Democrat official in Kentucky) a couple years ago.

Gay marriage is a NEW THING for civilization.

Charitable people on the LGBT side of the argument should expect that there is going to be some cases like this in Kentucky for a little while and not try to collect scalps. They risk pissing away alot of the good will they have quickly accumulated over the last decade thanks to non-stop programming by our media where Americans are clueless thinking fully a quarter of the population is gay.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

In reality, we have 2-4% of the population that is born or conditioned to be attracted emotionally and physically to the same sex. And a smaller percentage of gays who want to get married and stay in a monogamous relationship.........let alone adopt and raise kids. We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).

44   mell   ignore (2)   2015 Sep 4, 10:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars.

Yep. Furthermore government-sponsored marriage is not a right, but a positive discrimination privilege given by the government. Bearing arms or operating vehicles are rights preceding any government. The current legal issue wrt contempt though remains if she doesn't quit by herself.

45   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2015 Sep 4, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).

Separate, but unequal. Tolerate them and show them some love, but not as equals - more like the way you would love your dog or even a slave if that were still allowed. Yes, that sounds about right.

46   socal2   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says

Tolerate them and show them some love, but not as equals

In terms of marriage and raising families - yes.

If you are a State adoption agency and you have a heterosexual and a homosexual couple wanting to adopt a child. If all things are equal between the 2 couples in terms of finances, education, housing, school district etc,........isn't it a no-brainer that it would be better to adopt to the heterosexual couple?

47   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 4, 11:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail.

This is an elected position. She can't just lose her job. Contempt of court is the only path here, and it's quite constitutional.

There is no hole in the system on this one. I understand that you don't like the call, but at this point you're just working the refs when the replay shows nothing to complain about.

socal2 says

Gay marriage is a NEW THING for civilization.

So were driving and voting (for women) at one point. Back then, county clerks and governments did their jobs or were fired or jailed in contempt, as appropriate.

Our republic has decided, through a Constitutional process, that gay marriage is legal. There is nothing to argue about here.

48   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail. I had a Muslim that worked for my team who we had to reassign to another task because he prayed 5 times a day and couldn't work in the field.

What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?

49   anonymous   ignore (null)   2015 Sep 4, 11:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'd like to ask crazed Christian extremists if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.

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Cant speak for those with half my IQ, but as a solid white American Rationalist jag-off, i'd welcome the idea. Sounds like Sharia Law would make the roads infinitely safer.

50   socal2   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?

Uh no- cause that is murder.

51   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:36am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?

Uh no- cause that is murder

But that is their belief from God and they actually do that in some countries. So the Muslim will say it is murder in man's world but not by God. So this woman is following her belief in God in opposing secular laws-where do we draw the line?

52   socal2   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

This is an elected position. She can't just lose her job. Contempt of court is the only path here, and it's quite constitutional.

In a normal and tolerant society not run by Authoritarian Progs, we allow for "accommodations" when we make big changes to our laws like 5 judges just did at the Supreme Court.

Again, about 2 months ago Gay Marriage was not legal in many states. A few years before that it was not legal in most of the world.

They could have found better ways to get through this situation without jailing people. This gay couple presumably waited years for the Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage in Kentucky, they couldn't wait a few more days to deputize other clerks or find a way to recall or impeach this Democrat?

53   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

they couldn't wait a few more days to deputize other clerks

They gave her the option-she refused.

54   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 11:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Now I don't believe in the war on drugs. But if I become a judge and have to follow mandatory sentencing-can I free any drug related defendant that comes by my way?

55   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 4, 11:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

In a normal and tolerant society not run by Authoritarian Progs, we allow for "accommodations" when we make big changes to our laws like 5 judges just did at the Supreme Court.

The accommodation you speak of amounts to coddling a public employee who openly defies the lines of authority.

People who abuse a position of authority or fail to do their jobs should be got rid of. I would think that a self-described "conservative" would be delighted to see a failing public servant dealt with quickly and decisively. Aren't conservatives constantly complaining about the lack of accountability in the public sector?

56   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 Sep 4, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

HydroCabron says

People who abuse a position of authority or fail to do their jobs should be got rid of.

Starting here?

Get impeachment through the House, then get the Senate to impeach.

If that happens, and Obama refuses to leave the White House, I would support jailing him.

57   socal2   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 12:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

Get impeachment through the House, then get the Senate to impeach.

If that happens, and Obama refuses to leave the White House, I would support jailing him.

OK - so why couldn't they impeach this Democrat clerk in Kentucky? That is the option available to remove her from her post.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/02/qa-ky-clerk-gay-marriage-license-case/71567812/

And as I pointed out earlier, why weren't Gavin Newsom and Jerry Brown impeached or even reprimanded for not following the State's laws when gay marriage was still illegal?

The law is the law and all that - right?

58   Quigley   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 12:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

She also could have done like all the other county clerks with religious objections to gay marriage and had one of her younger Obama-fan junior clerks perform the marriage.
I think she was making a point. It costs to make a point. In this case it costs her a few days of freedom to exercise her religious freedom. Many highly regarded people throughout history (MLK anyone?) would consider this a fair trade.

59   Quigley   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 12:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In Kentucky, her jail time will ensure her reelection. Them rednecks and poor blacks don't like the gays, and certainly don't think they ought to be getting married. Rest assured Davis is a local hero.

60   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2015 Sep 4, 3:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Look, it's very simple. Here's an imperfect analogy

Quaker joins the USN and flies F-18s. He's instructed to engage the enemy, and refuses, because he's a Quaker.

USAF gives him several choices: Resign, or fire on the enemy planes. He refuses to do either.

Nobody, I mean nobody, certainly not Huckabee, would be screaming "TYRANNY! SOCIALIZM!! OBAMANAZI!! The JEWZ, JEZUITS, NWO, POLICE STATE!!!" if the USAF discharged the guy (or put him in prison).

61   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2015 Sep 4, 3:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

She's wrong Cake boy is not.

She works in the Court house issuing legal doccuments. The SOP for people of the same sex to legally benefit share, is to get a cohabitation request form.
That is the way the court should look at it, that is the way the church should look at it, and bakers and tailors can decide if they only do religious ceramony stuff.

63   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2015 Sep 4, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I wonder if he is voting for Trump?

64   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 Sep 4, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mr Happygoluckofus says

I wonder if he is voting for Trump?

Trump has had 3 marriages-or is that not enough since the KY clerk is on her 4th one??

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