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41   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 2:53pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

If CNN cared about journalism, they’d hire Rosie O’Donnell to show up at White House briefings naked, smeared in transmission fluid to bark these questions two inches from the nose of Melissa McCarthy imitator Sean Spicer.

AF, America and CNN are in crying need of your leadership. With you at the helm, CNN would soar to #1 network. Meanwhile, we have to make do with old movies:

42   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Apr 11, 5:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Dan8267 says

He no longer exists.

Even early Christians disagreed whether Jesus lived as an actual person, and Paul seems to have believed he didn't, and some of the epistles officially attributed to Paul do not appear to have been written by Paul. There is no proof other than some of the other Gospels that contradicted Paul. Christianity as received results from Constantine imposing the religion upon Rome, and requiring therefore a uniform doctrine. Implying Jesus walked as a person is therefore endorsing a religious view with neither scientific basis nor theological unanimity.

43   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 7, 1:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

YesYNot says

just any guy says

Let me also add that the uninsured tend to use the ER because they have to be admitted. The ER, on average, costs 5x that of a normal doctor visit.

That was a big driver that was expected to lost costs when the aca lowered the number of uninsured. Common sense tells you that the benefit is long term, while the cost is front loaded. That's too much nuance for a national debate though.

@YesYNot, if Democrats got you to believe that, then they fooled you with a lie. Romneycare was enacted years before Obamneycare, and the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others. Emergency hospitizations and spending (AKA revenue to the patronage networks that wrote the legislation) went up, not down. At the national level, when Obamneycare hit with full force in 2014, spending (patronage revenue) increased while life expectancy flatlined. The following year, spending/revenue increased again, while life expectancy fell. It isn't about nuance, it's about lies. Calling lies "nuance" is the sort of organizationspeak that can grease the wheels in some circuits, but it doesn't change what they are.

I'm replying here because I'm not interested in the ad hominem thunderdome stuff, and I'm making an effort to adjust SIWOTI management by addressing specific comments individually rather than the people who wrote them.

44   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 7, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

curious2 says

the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others.

I'm open to real proof on this topic, but your post didn't discuss the time issue. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself. Here's what I would consider a nuanced discussion:

1) When discussing the total US yearly money spent on health care after passage of the ACA, I'd like to see it plotted on a curve that showed the trajectory of yearly expenses before the ACA. It was growing unsustainably beforehand, so the real interesting question is how that was changed.
2) The ACA extended both preventive care and acute care to people who didn't get it previously. The preventive care should add cost in the first X number of years. After a long enough time, one would expect that the preventive care should reduce the number of emergency visits. How many years should this take? I haven't seen any analysis of it.
3) There should also be an increase in costs due to people with newfound insurance getting treated for things that they had been letting go (call it deferred maintenance). This should go down over time. How long should that take?
4) There are a lot of excess charge expenses due to people not understanding that they should avoid the emergency room. If it was favorable to avoid this, it could be addressed through education. On the other hand, these excessive charges are just the emergency rooms spreading the costs of keeping the doors open from the true emergencies to the people who should get treated elsewhere (who shouldn't go to the ER from a microeconomics perspective). So, if people did learn to avoid the ER unless it is absolutely necessary, then the prices for true emergencies would probably go up as ERs try to stay afloat.

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic. I've not seen any evidence in your post or elsewhere that really gets to the bottom of these questions.

Where you and I may agree on more is that a lot of tests probably do more bad than good. Many tests tend to show problems that end up causing unnecessary procedures, when these problems would have been fine if left untreated. More people having too many procedures is not a good thing. That's a problem that ideally would be addressed soon, but isn't central to the issue of who pays what and how for health care, IMO.

45   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 7, 7:01pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

YesYNot says

Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself... I'd like to see it plotted on a curve...

The federal actuaries at CMS.gov published a 10-year projection table showing that Obamneycare would increase total national expenditure faster and higher than prior law. I've linked it at least twice on PatNet. It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data, I don't feel any inclination to plot the numbers on a curve for you. As for the hospitalization numbers in Massachusetts, those were widely published at the time and subsequently, they're easy to find.

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question: why do hospitals charge so much more for the same services; the answer is because they can, due to lobbying and influencing government at all levels. There is no reason for stitches at an American hospital to cost more than anywhere else in the world: it's the same thread, the same technique.

YesYNot says

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic.

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works, though I do suspect some petrodollar influence along with your Muslim grad student(s). As with Podesta's brother being a highly paid agent of a foreign power, it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Yes, excessive diagnostic testing leads to unnecessary procedures. So-called "preventive care" does not save money, and most of it doesn't even extend life expectancy (except a narrow subset of mammograms, age 50-70 IIRC). The rest of it is about maximizing revenue, and it operates as designed. Expecting it to reduce costs in the long run is like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in Viet Nam: it's an oncoming train.

46   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 8, 3:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

curious2 says

It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data

curious2 says

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question:

curious2 says

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works,... it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Gee. That was fun. We should do that again sometime.

47   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 8, 12:58pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

YesYNot says

Gee. That was fun. We should do that again sometime.

You're right, I drifted from the comment to perceived patterns about the person. I continue to have difficulty with SIWOTI, and must continue working on that. I've made some progress but have also stumbled. I am sorry about that.

48   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 1:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

YesYNot says

@marcus,

I suggest that when curious goes after you, just point out his ad hom focus, and do not respond. Don't respond with overt insults. Curious definitely has a hard on for you. One of his more creative insults of me was to say that 'you're not as dumb as marcus'. I have no doubt he has a bookmark folder for you with all of the posts he thinks he can use to show us how dumb you are.

@YesYNot, I decided to reply to your vulgar and false comment here rather than continue to detract from the terrorism thread. I am uninterested in marcus, as is almost everyone else apparently. He insists that I hate him, but that's not even true. He trolls people all the time, trying to make them hate him, and he becomes emotionally overwrought when they simply prove him wrong using evidence and reason.

Also, you are either really bad at paraphrasing and search engines, or you are lying yet again. Here is the comment you distorted above. I did not call either of you dumb, but you do both lack integrity.

Lastly, I replied to your parachute question in a different thread. I will paste that reply here too, because you should consider more carefully what you are inviting upon yourself and others when you support spreading Islam.

sagacious1 says

Is Islam incompatible with other forms of government?

Ultimately, you cannot long combine Islam and democracy without sliding into Sharia, which crushes all other religions and western notions of liberty. In most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. Read about Asia Bibi on death row in Pakistan, and the assassination of Governor Taseer, and the incarceration of the former governor of Jakarta, Basuki Purnama (Ahok), now in prison sentenced for blasphemy, and see some of the consequences. As Islam metastasizes through a society, it takes over and kills everything else: most countries that have more than 20% Muslims, have more than 90% Muslims. As Nassim Taleb wrote, the west is "committing suicide" by importing Islam.

To respond to YesYNot's parachuting question, the invade&import westerners are throwing their neighbors' kids out of otherwise safe planes, and feeling good about it, because parachutes usually work. The problem with using past statistics regarding terror is they do not guarantee future results. One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day. An egomaniacal person, or a group of believers in a megalomaniacal doctrine, can tend to explode when facts hurt their feelings. Islam maximizes the resulting carnage. More than 20 Muslim countries have already agreed a world plan against blasphemy, and the Islamic State has published online kill lists including Americans living in America. It reminds me of a poem:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Atheists are disbelievers, blasphemers, and now by definition terrorists according to Saudi law. I hope they won't find you, @YesYNot, but they do have a plan. I suggest you should speak out while you still can, and not throw kids out of planes without their consent, even if you enjoy parachuting in your spare time. There is nothing virtuous about spreading Islam. If MSM photos of hapless Muslims (notice they don't show hapless Hindus or Buddhists) require you to do something for Muslims, send them some Richard Dawkins books (which they will probably burn).

49   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 1:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I decided to move the comment below from a terrorism thread where it didn't belong:

FP says

marcus says

It's not addressing or even reflecting an attempt to comprehend anything

Here you are wrong, marcus. George is trying hard but damn *** brain...

Actually, when you collapse into calling me names because you cannot respond with evidence and reason, you have conceded that you are wrong and lost the argument.

50   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 1:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

FP says

George is typing again. Someday should make a documentary about him.

@FP, if you want to call me a monkey, at least you could refrain from littering other threads with your ad hominem irrelevance. Use this reply thread.

I look forward to the documentary, btw. Patient person tries to educate a snarky troll who keeps calling him a monkey. If you're anything like marcus, you'll start exploding when you see that you can't make me hate you. I persist in giving you additional chances to redeem yourself. Someday, you might get it right.

51   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 May 31, 1:47am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

marcus says

You might refrain from lying so much, or from being such a pathetic and hateful little prick.

***

But you're a low integrity dirtbag....

@marcus, rather than encourage you to hijack yet another thread with your egomania, I'm replying in this reply thread. You seem to be trying yet again to make me hate you, and it doesn't work. I remain patient with you, even though your behavior does raise real concerns if you have any exposure to children. Especially when proven obviously wrong, you explode emotionally into the most abusive and baseless attacks and profanity that you can hurl. You struggle even with ordinal numbers, and lack the reasoning ability that teaching math would require. If you did actually care about integrity, you would link to objective evidence and then reason based on that, rather than obsessing and exploding over your own subjective feelings of butthurt.

Here are at least 10 of the many different Users whom you have called "dimbulbs":

marcus says

Dimbulb....

marcus says

dimbulb....

marcus says

this dimbulb....

marcus says

Another dimbulb....

marcus says

dimbulbs....

marcus says

dimbulb....

marcus says

dimbulb.

marcus says

Fucking dimbulb.

marcus says

sociopath...dimbulb.

marcus says

you dimbulb liars.

marcus says

dimbulb

marcus says

dimbulb.

marcus says

FUCK YOU DIMBULB !!

marcus says

you pathetic dimbulb.

I could add more, but that would be a waste of time.

52   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 31, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

curious2 says

Here are at least 10 of the many different Users whom you have called "dimbulbs":

It's like O'Reilly calling everyone pinheads. Truly, the left and the right are the same.

53   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 6, 5:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

@FP, you fail even at ignoring me, in addition to failing at logic. What motivates your snarky trolling, anyway? What do you gain from it? Is it like when you hire Muslims so their careers depend on you and then you can make fun of their religion? Do you get off on bullying people and making fun of them? I'm really curious, I don't see what you gain by trolling people and saying obviously illogical things. It looks like a complete waste of time, yet you persist.

FP says

non-monkey

curious2 says

FP says

But by your logic....

Patrick has never suggested killing random people.

54   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 19, 9:34am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anonymous says

@zzyzzx - Thanks for the replies per Baltimore. Forgot about Fort McHenry - probably could deal with one day or so in the ultra touristy harbor but I had a nice time in Salisbury on a work assignment some time back. The crab cakes etc. were really great so I could definitely get into that again.

If you are in Salisbury, the Zoo there is nice and does not charge admission. If in Baltimore Guinness is building a brewery that will be complete with tours.
http://www.cntraveler.com/story/guinness-brewery-opening-in-baltimore-county

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-guiness-county-20170131-story.html
What's not clear is whether visitors will want to go to an industrial area in Baltimore to taste an Irish brand, said Bart Watson, chief economist of the Brewers Association. But, he added, Baltimore is easier to get to than Dublin.

"They're clearly betting that they think they can make this succeed," he said.

56   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 5, 7:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

curious2 says

"Why sarcasm is such a problem in artificial intelligence"

The solution is simple. For this and all other hard A.I. problems, simply represent the problem as a captcha. Then the spammers will figure out how to solve the problem. Trace back their IPs to their servers and steal their code and make it public domain. Science advances.

57   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 5, 7:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Hmmm, the one down side is that, based on PatNet users, it might be impossible for the general public to detect sarcasm.

58   Ironworker   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 6, 5:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thank you! Great info! I love Portugal. And it's still an option for me. Great surfing too!
59   Ironworker   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 6, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thank you Bay area observer. I'm getting tired of Bay Area.

Are you thinking Portugal too?
60   Ironworker   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 8, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thank you. Yes please pass it along.
61   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 8, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anonymous says
Portugal has always been on my radar as well as numerous locations in Asia


@anonymous:
Can you receive social security and live OCONUS?

What do you do when you need medical attention in Portugal?
62   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 8, 2:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anonymous says
Can you receive social security and live OCONUS.


This should be disallowed or subject to additional taxes, btw. One of Long's main pillars for his social security program was that retirees would spend the money locally.
63   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 8, 6:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@anonymous thank you for your kind reply. My wife discussed this and mentioned that she thinks you can't do it unless you come back periodically (period of months) to an American address which to me would be an undesirable situation.

I would appreciate your email addy. I might send something since I enjoy reading your comments and posts.

TPB is and has been on my ignore list, I burned out on his miserable carping long ago as Captain Shaddup
64   Sniper   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 8, 8:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote        

anonymous says
will be taking a hiatus from here for awhile


Yes, there is a god.
65   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Oct 30, 9:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

WookieMan says
@curious2, I've actually wanted to ask this for a while and I'm sure it may have been asked of you already. Why do you make entire paragraphs and like in the case above, the entire comment a link? I'm not sure I've ever really seen someone do it and just wondering if you have a reason for doing it.

Note: This is why I hate text/written words. I'm not trying to be an ass here if it seems like it. No pun intended, but I'm genuinely curious.


@WookieMan, if you want to ask questions that are off topic, or make comments that are off topic, I encourage you to use this reply thread.

Nobody else has asked me that question. I don't even really understand the purpose of the question.

I link to enable readers to click or tap on the excerpt read the whole story. When I make a whole paragraph or comment a link, the purpose is to show clearly that the words come from an external source, and to encourage reading the whole story.

If you hate written words, then some people might wonder why you spend time in a forum that consists mostly of text, which you hate. Patrick is always trying to grow the site, so if you can bring some other way of communicating online that might draw people who hate words, go ahead. One caveat: I like written words, and I dislike videos that launch by themselves, so if you post random videos auto-playing, I might have to ignore you in order to keep my screen stable.
66   curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 1, 6:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Rew says
the Russian government isn't looking to form.... Putin seeks....


@Rew, you might really like PBS Frontline's latest report on that topic, but contrast it with Oliver Stone's interviews if you have time.

Rew says
You think suddenly the Navy forgot how to steer the boats?


Since you have asked me a direct question, here is what I think:

"USS FITZGERALD

The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence to sound navigational practices. Specifically, Fitzgerald's watch teams disregarded established norms of basic contact management and, more importantly, leadership failed to adhere to well-established protocols put in place to prevent collisions. In addition, the ship's triad was absent during an evolution where their experience, guidance and example would have greatly benefited the ship.

USS JOHN S. MCCAIN

The collision between John S. McCain and Alnic MC was also avoidable and resulted primarily from complacency, over-confidence and lack of procedural compliance. A major contributing factor to the collision was sub-standard level of knowledge regarding the operation of the ship control console. In particular, McCain's commanding officer disregarded recommendations from his executive officer, navigator and senior watch officer to set sea and anchor watch teams in a timely fashion to ensure the safe and effective operation of the ship. With regard to procedures, no one on the Bridge watch team, to include the commanding officer and executive officer, were properly trained on how to correctly operate the ship control console during a steering casualty.
"

In addition, I think it would be prudent to avoid asking direct questions when you might not like the answers.
67   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 1, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d327c says
I link to enable readers to click or tap on the excerpt read the whole story. When I make a whole paragraph or comment a link, the purpose is to show clearly that the words come from an external source, and to encourage reading the whole story.

I had no intention of coming across as a jerk. So please don't take it that way. Linking all the text in a paragraph doesn't accomplish that though in my opinion. If I'm using words from an article in my post or comment I'll just do a quote from another user and then copy and paste the content I'm copying from another site, of course deleting the original quote material, and placing the content in between the
tags. That way the content has the typical quote (indented) format that you'd see on most sites. And then just link the source at the beginning or end.

Again, for me this was just a stylistic question. Not saying you're doing it wrong by any means. Your explanation make sense, I'll just be honest that I wouldn't do it that way, but now that you've explained it, I will understand your posts better. Thanks.
68   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 1, 6:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ha! LOL.

Forgot about that.
69   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2017 Dec 28, 6:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anonymous @ 92
Great link!
“I cannot imagine what you are referring to.”
That cracked me up.
I'll be using that when I do something stupid,which is often.

I'll be 69,12/30/2017. I feel like a child most of the time.
That's what happens when one enter their second childhood.
There are 5 to 10 dear? that come to a salt block that are almost pets & a
covey of quail that are getting use to my wife & I.The quail feed at the chicken coop everyday.
They have taken the place of "Miss Piggy".
70   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2017 Dec 28, 6:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anonymous says
Tips for overcoming and neutralizing your confirmation bias


Confirming one's bias is a virtue.
DIE! Democrats & Republicans! DIE NOW!
71   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 28, 6:22pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HEYYOU says
Confirming one's bias is a virtue.
DIE! Democrats & Republicans! DIE NOW!


You really do need a dog. You are losing it. At 69 you will almost certainly outlive even a puppy. Happy Birthday.
73   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 4, 8:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I don't know, lol! I don't use Windows myself so it's hard to even test on it.
74   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 9, 3:56pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Hi @anonymous I did remove that thread. Insulting the site is insulting me, therefore out of bounds.

If you have constructive comments, I'd love to see them, but simply hating on the site is not doing anyone any good.

Maybe you could try to reach people and figure out why they feel the way they do. Joe Simitian did this brilliantly in his interviews with people who voted for Obama and then for Trump. The answer was that they really didn't want Hillary, especially after she knifed Bernie, and all other considerations were secondary. Simitian was kind of surprised, but it seems pretty obvious to me now.
75   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 20, 11:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@justme and Fivelbsbrowntrout

Thanks for the comments on the following thread: http://patrick.net/post/1314555/2018-03-19-what-caused-fiu-s-bridge-to-fall-more-clues-come-to-light-this-is-the-to-inform-and-to-educate-thread-on-the-subject

Should there be any other of my threads and or comments containing resource links you find useful, it would be prudent to copy and paste those links to your own device for future reference/use.

Such links are based in "ephemerality" due to the nature of the things and I suspect you will be able to figure this all out without me having to spell it out.
76   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 22, 7:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick. If debt is slavery, we are all slaves given the national and ever expanding debt and we will never know freedom until we either declare national bankruptcy or the country implodes and rises anew like the Phoenix, albeit as something less than a first tier nation.
77   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 22, 8:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
If debt is slavery, we are all slaves given the national and ever expanding debt


Yes, we are all slaves to the national debt.

Even if you won't borrow money yourself, they borrow it in your name and tax you to pay the interest.
78   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 22, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

France defaulted multiple times in the 18th and 19th Century and contested the top 3 spots until WW1, and still is a G8 country today.

It'll hurt the Chinese pretty bad though, all those Treasuries they hold.
79   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 5, 12:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is provided a public service for someone.

How to Remove Urine Stains and Odors from Concrete Floors.

https://bedwettingstore.com/buyers-guide-stain-removers-concrete.html

This should work equally as well to get rid of those stubborn stains and odors on parking slots. Don't have the problem personally but it seems this is a problem in some locales west of the Mississippi.
80   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 May 14, 2:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Yes, we are all slaves to the national debt.

Even if you won't borrow money yourself, they borrow it in your name and tax you to pay the interest.


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