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Nothing makes libertarians more angry than social & identity issues. Wedge stuff, and they always break toward the evangelical position in their anger.

Am I the only one who notices this?

Settle down mell. How does something so insignificant even blip on your radar?

You want outcry over seriously harmful shit going on in public schools, take a trip to the cafeteria. And then to health/nutrition class and see the toxic crap they are imposing upon the children

Dislike it all you want, once you daughter comes home telling she was legally harassed by a person with a dick and balls AKA a biological male, then you will change your mind Or get over your hypocrisy and at least demand everything unisex if you're so "progressive". Time to end this PC leftist bullcrap.

mell says

They're lucky I don't live in Illinois

They should take a lesson from Houston:

http://news.yahoo.com/houston-equal-rights-measure-hands-voters-060822802.html?bcmt=comments-postbox

If i were still in HS though, upon hearing about this, id start wearing girls clothes to school and demand i be taken to the girls locker room. Where i would vigorously wash and tug at my mis-assigned weiner, to try and rid my female self of that incorrectly assigned genitalia

errc says

Settle down mell. How does something so insignificant even blip on your radar?

You want outcry over seriously harmful shit going on in public schools, take a trip to the cafeteria. And then to health/nutrition class and see the toxic crap they are imposing upon the children

Well I agree on the nutritional assault as well ;)

Trump says

Nothing makes libertarians more angry than social & identity issues. Wedge stuff, and they always break toward the evangelical position in their anger.

Am I the only one who notices this?

I can tell you why - because libertarians have the best sense for justice. They want minimal, easy to understand laws applied to everybody which makes an equal playing field. They also want minimal government interference to prevent an Orwellian dystopia. Demonizing male energy and fabricating Orwellian laws and rules wrt to sexual assault while giving biological males that claim there's a woman inside of them a free pass and enforce it via governmental pressure is totally illogical and an Orwellian perversion. Male is female and 1+1=3. How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

Accommodation for mentally ill people at the disruption of literally everyone else. Nice.

errc says

If i were still in HS though, upon hearing about this, id start wearing girls clothes to school and demand i be taken to the girls locker room. Where i would vigorously wash and tug at my mis-assigned weiner, to try and rid my female self of that incorrectly assigned genitalia

So if I enroll in a class in a party school, can I just wear a wig, claim that I am a lesbian in a man's body and use the female locker room and take showers there?

errc says

Settle down mell. How does something so insignificant even blip on your radar?

How is this even a blip on the Federal Government's radar?

This school already bent over backwards making some reasonable accommodations for this confused boy.

Yet Obama's Dept of Education has time to fight a school over this?

If I was Illinois I would introduce O to a little thing I like to call state nullification and tell O to go FUCK himself on this too.

New logo for O:

indigenous says

If I was Illinois I would introduce O to a little thing I like to call state nullification

What a surprise!

A libertarian who only gets worked up about gays and trannies. How unusual!

It's almost like libertarians are just troglodyte social-issue conservatives who favor smaller government (or bigger, when necessary) as long as it serves their vision of the social order. Nah - that couldn't be, could it?

So how is the Fed behind this one? Connect the dots for us.

I think it's cute how cabronsito loses ability to be sarcastic when he's angry.

Trump says

A libertarian who only gets worked up about gays and trannies. How unusual!

No pinche cabron, I get worked up when dear leader throws his cavalier policy around and ever expanding the central power. That is why state nullification should be used unless of course Illinois (this is in Illinois?) likes it up the ass?

Moronman says

Uh, you're the dude who is too PC to say "Fuck" in stead of "F". Repressed but vicious. There's a good boy.

That is Denninger's title for his blog post if you had clicked the link. It's customary to take over the titles if you don't own the link content.

Moronman says

mell's gonna move in with FortWayne, quit his job and start praisin' the lord full time.

It's basic human instinct wanting to protect minor female offspring from dudes with balls and dicks - religion is optional here.

Dump the Chumps and get with the Trumps

dodgerfanjohn says

I think it's cute how cabronsito loses ability to be sarcastic when he's angry

You really need to look up the definition.

That was sarcasm. Add this to the times you have labelled statements sarcastic when they weren't.

No wonder you hate public schools.

Moronman says

Well, let's define transgender for the record, then. What if the kid has had the reassignment surgery and the requisite hormone treatments? Denniger may be a eunuch but he's shrieking likes he's on his period. Hmmmm, one wonders what his treatments have been......

I think the kid hasn't had any reassignment therapy or surgery done, iirc Denninger advocated that in that case it would be ok (in a different post).

Moronman says

Well, let's define transgender for the record, then. What if the kid has had the reassignment surgery and the requisite hormone treatments? Denniger may be a eunuch but he's shrieking likes he's on his period. Hmmmm, one wonders what his treatments have been......

I think it is appalling that CHILDREN who haven't even gone through puberty yet are allowed to fuck around with hormone therapy or testosterone blockers, let alone cutting off one's dick and balls.

If a dude is really confused about his sexuality, wouldn't it make more sense to increase his testosterone treatments instead of blocking it and carving up his body and make everyone deal with his situation in terms of bathrooms?

bgamall4 says

I totally agree. It is child abuse and the doctors who do this should be deballed. Oh I meant, defrocked, oh no, I mean delicensed.

The NYTimes had a story a few months ago about a 17 year old kid that had the entire procedure done. It's very depressing.

The doctor is a trans person too. Apparently the trans community and doctors encourage boys to transition sooner and start blocking testosterone to avoid the boy from growing too big and developing male features (big hands etc.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html?_r=0

socal2 says

I think it is appalling that CHILDREN who haven't even gone through puberty yet are allowed to fuck around with hormone therapy or testosterone blockers, let alone cutting off one's dick and balls.

If a dude is really confused about his sexuality, wouldn't it make more sense to increase his testosterone treatments instead of blocking it and carving up his body and make everyone deal with his situation in terms of bathrooms?

I agree that it's problematic and more so the younger the kid is. An argument could be made that they can only do this once they are 18. Or you would have to lower the age threshold for everything else as well. However people should be free in the end and teenagers have to deal with the consequences of other actions as well. Difficult to set an age limit, but I certainly agree MDs should not encourage it.

Moronman says

Don't you mean you're appalled that parents have the FREEDOM to raise their kids as they see fit, hmmmm?

Wow - we already know that Progs have no problem butchering children still in the womb. Now they are cool butchering children in their teens who haven't even finished puberty yet.

But.. but... but you are lamely trying to argue something about big government hypocrisy on this subject? For real? We all know Progs have no arguments other than trying to make others abide by their values, because Progs have now values at all.

Again, if hormone treatments are capable of growing boobs, facial hair and affecting skeletal structure and a person's emotions, why not increase the natural hormones for these confused CHILDREN instead of blocking their natural hormones and carving up their bodies?

The suicide rates of trans people is still very high even after a doctor has carved them up.

I don't have any problem with trans. In a lot of older cultures, there are trans people. What I have a problem is the gubmnt making them more than equal. This ruling is great for all the dirty old men. All can claim they are trans-no need to transition and demand to use the ladies locker rooms at all facilities and stay there for hours passing their time.

It's all about Framing. One could switch this around and say:

Who is the government to tell people which bathroom they can use?

OR

Segregated Bathrooms are gender prejudice. Why should men and women have separate bathrooms at all? Why should we pay double, one when large bathroom is cheaper than two smaller ones?

thunderlips11 says

It's all about Framing.

No, when you frame out a restroom, it is framed the same for both the men's side and the women's side. It's when you add the plumbing that the differences appear.

thunderlips11 says

It's all about Framing. One could switch this around

No, one could not switch this around.

The evangelical default position of moral outrage at change is always the small-government position.

Trump says

The evangelical default position of moral outrage at change is always the small-government position.

Except when it's defending the costs of building and operating FOUR different bathrooms (and water fountains, etc.)

Some background:

From the limited information I have on this topic, it's clear that a transgender male is likely to be among the least sexually and socially aggressive individuals in a woman's locker room or bathroom.

There was once a story about the bull-dike locker room culture in professional women's tennis: basically, the only way you survive is, on your first day you beat the crap out of some Czech player with a horrendous long name, or you become somebody's bitch.

thunderlips11 says

Except when it's defending the costs of building and operating FOUR different bathrooms (and water fountains, etc.)

Nope. That's small government, too.

Any funds spent, and any laws passed on behalf of a narrow, vicious degenerate form of Protestantism which should have disappeared in 1708 is, by definition, small government.

All conservative policies are always small-government.

Ironman says

That's your "normal" here on every topic when you post a comment at Patnet. Hey, but don't let that stop you!!

You put more effort into that one than usual. Good boy!

You seem to know a lot about women's restrooms. Perhaps you could share your extensive experiences here?

Moronman says

Again, because you "have no arguments other than trying to make others abide by [your] values,

My values?

I think we are talking basic human biology. Every bone, gene and chromosome in that mentally confused boy's body is male no matter what they cut off or try to suppress with female hormones. Why do you hate science? Why do you want to use the big awesome power of the government to force YOUR values on the rest of us?

I guess I am a big hypocrite to think the government has a role in stopping parents from carving up their pre-pubescent children?

Sheesh!

You Progs really need to come up with some better hypocrisy arguments.

Now moronman (previously palin/joker?) has gone all tourettes again.

Who says anything about "religious code"? I just don't want public schools allowing dudes with dicks in the shower room with my daughter.

I know, crazy concept!

Moronman says

Now socal (previously Rev. Koresh) has gone all strawman again. I don't want public office occupied by dicks who think the universe is 6000 years old and are willing to use government to enforce their religious confusion on human freedom. I know, crazy concept!

Strawman blather again? Who the fuck keeps on bringing religion into the this discussion? You.........at every opportunity. You go on and on and on about religious people imposing their will on you, when this story is about dopey Liberals in Obama's government forcing a small school to allow dudes in the girls bathrooms.

Obama sucks.

If you have a winkerton, you belong in the boys' room. Truly... It's just that simple.

Moronman says

socal2 says

Strawman blather again? Who the fuck keeps on bringing religion into the this discussion? You.........at every opportunity. You go on and on and on about religious people imposing their will on you, when this story is about dopey Liberals in Obama's government forcing a small school to allow dudes in the girls bathrooms.

For fuck's sake, you dimwit, every position you take on every topic in every thread is reducible to an imaginary friend you made up and pulled out of your ass. It's the sole basis of your hypocrisy about government. You want big government if it might force your religious values on others. You want small government if it might deny the civil rights of others. That's why you are a moral coward. It can't be made any more simple, even for you.

I have to agree with socal here. You seem to be very angry at religious conservatives, but hardly anybody invoked religion on this thread. Plus, most topics of contention wrt to conservatives have a valid reason to be discussed outside of the religious realm, such as abortion, which even many atheists have a problem with. Most of these issues are very specialized and don't affect one's everyday life (even gay marriage doesn't as you usually should get married just once), however forcing biological girls to be in the same locker/bathroom as biological boys affects them almost every day.I agree that conservatives often have their own big government agendas while complaining about big government when it doesn't suit them, but IMO this is not even a conservative vs leftist progressive topic, this is common sense vs leftist progressive fantasies gone totally wrong.

turtledove says

If you have a winkerton, you belong in the boys' room. Truly... It's just that simple.

Yeah. Sometimes if not most often simplicity in reasoning is best.

Ironman says

turtledove says

If you have a winkerton

Is that a new medical term you use in your office?

Sounds like an ad for "penile enlargement"

Ironman says

If you have a winkerton

Is that a new medical term you use in your office?

We've used that word for so long, I forget it's not really a thing... It started with potty training my son. The little potty came with this deflector shield for little boys. But, I didn't have a clue what it was when I first saw it. So, I ask my husband, "what the heck is this thing for and where does it go?" (I have an aversion to reading assembly instructions.) My husband pulled the word out the air. "It's the winkerton deflector." The word stuck. It's a cutesy euphemism that commands respect and exudes power... particularly when you put numbers after it; eg., "The Winkerton 2000."

turtledove says

If you have a winkerton, you belong in the boys' room. Truly... It's just that simple

That's way too simple and obvious truth for liberal whack jobs to ever comprehend. They've had so many wins lately, they don't realize that pushing for pedophilia is a bridge too far and they'll lose big this election.

Obama seriously has gone insane. I bet he is doing this because he truly hates conservative America. He got elected screaming that he hates Republicans, conservatives, and he sure keeps that hatred up.

Asshole needs to be impeached and next president should overturn all his asinine bullshit.