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Boston bomber Tsarnaev family was granted asylum by US


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2015 Nov 18, 9:55pm   5,265 views  17 comments

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http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

what harm could possibly come from admitting 10,000 more?

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1   Blurtman   2015 Nov 19, 7:19am  

How to control against disaffected immigrants or even native born people from going psycho? Young males (primarily) who feel marginalized with apparently effective propaganda coming from organized groups encouraging violence and even suicide attacks. I believe this is unprecedented in US history.

2   Vicente   2015 Nov 19, 7:32am  

Blurtman says

I believe this is unprecedented in US history.

Unprecedented you say?

3   Blurtman   2015 Nov 19, 7:48am  

Vicente says

Unprecedented you say?

Certainly the USA has a history of bombers and other terrorists. There are substantial differences between McVeigh, and what is happening now.

4   resistance   2015 Nov 19, 8:23am  

The unprecedented bit is the use of our law on religious freedom to protect a violently intolerant political movement.

This results in a dilemma.

The important thing is to be honest about what Islam is.

5   HEY YOU   2015 Nov 19, 8:32am  

Blurtman says:" There are substantial differences between McVeigh, and what is happening now."

Patnet's Stupid statement of the week?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
"Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 600.[3] According to the United States Government, it was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11 attacks, and remains the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history."

6   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Nov 19, 8:40am  

They didn't get the same screening as refugees. It's a different issue. They were originally let in on tourist visas like the 9/11 guys. Shall we shutter our doors to tourism?

[logical conclusion to extreme right wingers fear goblet]Let's stop all tourism and business visas. Let's also go after all religions that have violent passages in their texts. Any religion that wants freedom to practice in the US and get tax exempt status should be forced to publicly denounce all sections of their texts that the state determines promotes violence. Freedom of religion and speech has limits. Let's build a real wall on the Mexico and Canadian borders, and build a virtual wall that prevents people from coming by plane or boat. Let's also put up an e-wall that prevents our citizens from reading violence inducing web sites from overseas. Then, we can root out all US-based web sites. Then, let's elect Trump, so that he can bomb the middle east back to the stone ages, so that their religion is consistent with their surroundings. [/logical conclusion to extreme right wingers fear goblet]

7   turtledove   2015 Nov 19, 8:55am  

YesYNot says

Shall we shutter our doors to tourism?

It's not all or nothing. A country has the right to choose which nationals may "tour" it's country. As some nations are particularly dangerous, I think it could improve overall tourism to prevent the high-risk ones from getting to the US in the first place.

8   Blurtman   2015 Nov 19, 9:05am  

HEY YOU says

Patnet's Stupid statement of the week?

Yes, he was inspired by the desire to establish an Oklahoma City caliphate.

9   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Nov 19, 9:19am  

turtledove says

YesYNot says

Shall we shutter our doors to tourism?

It's not all or nothing. A country has the right to choose which nationals may "tour" it's country. As some nations are particularly dangerous, I think it could improve overall tourism to prevent the high-risk ones from getting to the US in the first place.

I'm not arguing for nothing. Patrick is holding up an example of some kids who's parents were admitted on tourist visas. This is presumably held up as an argument not to let refugees in. I think that the logical conclusion of bringing these guys in would be to stop giving tourist visas. Of course, I think this is crazy fear-based thinking, which is why I framed it as such. You might be arguing for limiting countries of origin for tourist visas. That might be an option, but a 2-3 year vetting process is not going to happen just to decide to let someone come here to visit the monuments.

10   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 19, 9:21am  

YesYNot says

I'm not arguing for nothing. Patrick is holding up an example of some kids who's parents were admitted on tourist visas

Few refugees enter on a refugee visa (I don't even know if that exists) or Nansen Passport. All those 'refugees' coming to Europe right now? Most of them are coming with only a Passport and/or Tourist Visas. The refugee process generally begins after they arrive.

11   zzyzzx   2015 Nov 19, 9:45am  

Trump was right again!

12   Rin   2015 Nov 19, 10:43am  

Article reports:

in the looking-glass, utterly disorienting world of Cambridge, Massachusetts. Most crucially, she reconstructs the struggle between assimilation and alienation that ensued for each of the brothers, incubating a deadly sense of mission.

WHAT COMPLETE HORSESHIT!

I was born in Cambridge Massachusetts, though fortunately, my parents had re-located to the north shore, before I could become an alumni of that POS Tsarnaev! It sucks that Patrick Ewing, Matt Damon, and Ben Affleck are all HS alumni of the Boston bomber.

The reason why it's called the *People's Republic of Cambridge* is that that town/city is tolerant of just about anyone out there, including loser Central Asian bombers, nevermind the ordinary welfare bums.

Last I'd checked, the younger brother was on the local wrestling squad and was well liked by other Cambridgians. Heck, in contrast, I was just an ordinary semi-nerdy North Shore kid, who'd studied hard and played b-ball on the side for some exercise.

If you can't find a group to assimilate in Cambridge MA then believe me, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell on the North Shore, nevermind Arkansas, Maine, Idaho, or Utah.

This is a lie! This guy is an asshole, plain and simple!

13   Rin   2015 Nov 19, 10:51am  

Rin says

Cambridge Massachusetts

BTW, despite 9/11 and everything which followed, the Mosque near Inman Sq/Cambridge has been respected by the community. So please, let's not make up stories of Cambridgians (sorry, "Bostonians" to include the greater metropolitan area) into vandals, firebombing Mosques to make Muslims uncomfortable in the region.

14   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Nov 19, 11:20am  

thunderlips11 says

Few refugees enter on a refugee visa (I don't even know if that exists) or Nansen Passport.

Here is one quote from Obama.

Obama also pointedly addressed the issue of whether the United States and other countries should continue to accept refugees, given the fact that one of the participants in the Paris plot may have come in with Syrian migrants. He said the United States would continue to accept more refugees from Syria and elsewhere, though "only after subjecting them to rigorous screening and security checks."

"Slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values," he said. "Our nations can welcome refugees who are desperately seeking safety and ensure our own security. We can and must do both."

Note, that he wants to admit them only after rigorous screening and security checks.

Here's another thing Obama said.

The veto threat came as the House was preparing the bill -- which sets high hurdles for refugee admission including FBI background checks and sign-offs by top officials -- for floor action as early as Thursday. In a committee meeting, Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, accused the president of confusing the public about the intentions of the legislation.

Moments later, the White House issued a statement defending the current screening process and claiming the changes called for under the bill would create "significant delays and obstacles" for the existing vetting program.

I believe he is referring to the current screening process for refugees. Several articles that I've posted specifically mentioned a 2-3 yr process for refugees. I'm not sure exactly what process they are using at the moment or are intending to use, but it doesn't seem like quickly accepting everybody without any screening. The republicans just want to shuffle things around, putting a new process in place. It's ridiculous to try to implement something new when it really counts. It's just political posturing.

15   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 19, 12:37pm  

Rin says

The reason why it's called the *People's Republic of Cambridge* is that that town/city is tolerant of just about anyone out there, including loser Central Asian bombers, nevermind the ordinary welfare bums.

Ah, Howie Carr. "I dou' it. Quommonwealth". Nice Boston nostalgia for me there.

Yep. Also, one of the Tsarnev brothers was in a Gym, had non-Chechen friends, even got a native Bostonian chick to drop out of school and be his wife until he beat her too much.

Isolation my ass.

Here's another point - the other members of the Tsarnev clan appear to be A-OK. The Tsarnev Brothers themselves looked like they were fitting in quite nicely.

Until they get radicalized on the internet. We can't be assured it won't happen.

YesYNot says

Note, that he wants to admit them only after rigorous screening and security checks.

You continue to miss the point. There is no reliable mechanism for screening - it's security theater. All the US government has to go on is the documentation the refugees have, which we have already discussed are widespread forgeries obtained directly from the Syrian government administrators who make the 'correct' ones. Obama is not going to send DHS/ICE agents to Al-Raqqa under the control of ISIS to interview former neighbors of the refugee applicants.

Many Iraqis, Lebanese, etc. have real Syrian Passports obtained from bribeable Syrian Administrators. Let me repeat - REAL Syrian Passports. Fake Information, but Real Documents printed on the official watermarked paper with all the 3D Hologram and Official Stamps and/or whatever crap Syria puts on their passports. Even 20 year professional Syrian government employees couldn't tell the information wasn't real unless they sent investigators to go to the possessors neighborhood and do a thorough investigation of their background with interviews.

Which the US is not going to do, and even if they did it, they'd do it after the refugees entered the country.

We already have "Lost" Syrian refugees. The Catholic Charity responsible for one of them getting settled in reported they haven't seen one of them in weeks. When you ask who's job it is, the Charity and the DHS says "Not our responsibility."

16   Rin   2015 Nov 19, 2:27pm  

thunderlips11 says

Rin says

The reason why it's called the *People's Republic of Cambridge* is that that town/city is tolerant of just about anyone out there, including loser Central Asian bombers, nevermind the ordinary welfare bums.

Ah, Howie Carr. "I dou' it. Quommonwealth". Nice Boston nostalgia for me there.

Yep. Also, one of the Tsarnev brothers was in a Gym, had non-Chechen friends, even got a native Bostonian chick to drop out of school and be his wife until he beat her too much.

Isolation my ass.

Here's another point - the other members of the Tsarnev clan appear to be A-OK. The Tsarnev Brothers themselves looked like they were fitting in quite nicely.

Until they get radicalized on the internet. We can't be assured it won't happen.

Ok, w/o uttering Howie's name, there is something to be said here.

Between all those near Boston towns (including Somerville and areas north of it), we have Nepalese, Cambodian, Indian, Chinese, Korean, Lebanese, Iranian, Russian, Armenian, and a host of other ethnic groups but yet, two Chechens decided to bomb the city of Boston? Does this sound like a region where peoples of non-Anglo-Celtic backgrounds can't find a community of sorts? If so, then we should have seen angry Cambodian serial killers, a long time ago.

And what's so beyond pathetic about this situation is that unlike Europe, in America, Chechens are labeled as *whites*, not Asians nor Black ppls, because their ancestors originated from Soviet territories. In fact, they have as much opportunity as any other American of British descent, assuming middle class (not Bush/Gore/Kerry elite) backgrounds. No Cambodian in America, will ever be treated as *white*, relative to a Chechen. All a Chechen-American needs to do is learn English, drop the Islamic hatred for the west, and soon, he'll be another Sergey Brin. And yes, most American women will want to date or marry a Serge.

Yes, it helps that Serge has got some money.

17   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2015 Nov 25, 4:58pm  

Vicente says

Unprecedented you say?

Yeah you bring up a good point, and our Government IIRC went all Bin Laden compound raid on Ruby Ridge and the Divine Dividian compound.

Those towel deserve the same treatement we show all terrorist scum.

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