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2015 Nov 24, 2:24pm   26,228 views  76 comments

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ah, i am getting at least some semi-automated pushback from my email to the white house opposing the large-scale importation of muslims. this means they are most likely actually counting pro vs con emails:

The White House, Washington

Since the attacks in Paris, many have asked about our process for admitting Syrian refugees into this country.

I understand the anxiety that many Americans are feeling right now. And as Secretary of Homeland Security, I share with President Obama the top priority of keeping the American people safe. So let me be clear about what this process of vetting and resettling refugees looks like.

It's important to remember, we're focused on admitting the most vulnerable Syrians -- this means mostly women, children and families. Second, anyone who applies for and is approved for refugee status in the United States, including Syrians, must first go through a rigorous security screening process.

Watch this video I narrated to see exactly what a potential refugee goes through to resettle in the U.S.:

Secretary Johnson on the Refugee Screening Process

Taking in refugees at times of crisis is simply the right thing to do. It's who we are as a Nation.

And we can continue to ensure our own security, while doing our share to welcome refugees fleeing violence, looking to America as their beacon of hope and freedom.

This is the United States of America. We can, we must, and we will do both these things.

Thank you,

Jeh Johnson
Secretary of Homeland Security
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here is my reply:

No, taking in Muslim refugees is the wrong thing to do.

1. We can help them more cost-effectively with $16,000 per person pretty much anywhere else.
2. Islam is diametrically opposed to democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion it its most basic text.

I am all for helping fellow human beings in need, but I am asking everyone I know to vote against anyone who supports bringing more Muslims to America. Islam itself is a severe threat to our most basic values.

Patrick

please send your own objections, here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

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2   gsr   2015 Nov 25, 8:34am  

Obama in 2013 : "Today, every American can be proud that our military will grow even stronger with our mothers, wives, sisters and daughters playing a greater role in protecting this country we love."

Likewise, there are many women among jehadis. The proper background check needs to be applied to all.

3   gsr   2015 Nov 25, 8:39am  

bgamall4 says

And America will keep ISIS alive for economic reasons and to continue to hoax poor ignorant Americans.

Here is a conspiracy angle from the right.
"The government deliberately want to import jehadis and have them do a few bombings. Thereafter, the government can suspend The Bill of Rights and impose the martial law."

4   ddshutlz   2015 Nov 25, 11:15am  

@everybody
[1. We can help them more cost-effectively with $16,000 per person pretty much anywhere else.]
Money is not a big deal in America. We waste money in bigger and less important matters on a daily basis and no one complains about it because it is not in the media attention.... Look at all the stuff we've built in the middle east (military facilities never used) and how much we have spent on it.....
[2. Islam is diametrically opposed to democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion it its most basic text.]
There are plenty of Muslims who are not opposed to any of what you mention.
Christianity in its most basic text (the Bible) is also diametrically opposed to what you are saying. If you do not think so, why don't you talk to some of the most radical Christians in the South....
[I am all for helping fellow human beings in need, but I am asking everyone I know to vote against anyone who supports bringing more Muslims to America. Islam itself is a severe threat to our most basic values.]
If you are all for helping fellow humans, then why don't you want to help some of the most vulnerable people out there? Refugees, children displaced by war, people who have lost everything they have, etc? Do you not see them as being human?

5   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 11:42am  

ddshutlz says

There are plenty of Muslims who are not opposed to any of what you mention.

yes, they are good people in spite of islam, not because of it.

Christianity in its most basic text (the Bible) is also diametrically opposed to what you are saying. If you do not think so, why don't you talk to some of the most radical Christians in the South....

no, you're wrong. christianity is not inherently opposed to democracy, freedom of speech, or freedom of religion. please cite the portions of the bible that are.

you also conveniently ignore the role model of mohammed, who robbed caravans, raped captive women, and murdered his critics and opponents.

who again did jesus rob, rape, or murder?

sure, christianity is pre-enlightenment, but it is also very non-violent in its basic teachings, while islam is very violent in its basic teachings.

ddshutlz says

If you are all for helping fellow humans, then why don't you want to help some of the most vulnerable people out there? Refugees, children displaced by war, people who have lost everything they have, etc? Do you not see them as being human?

where did i say i don't want to help them? please provide a quote.

i said we should not be importing ten thousand muslims because:

1. we can more effectively help them somewhere else instead of buying 10,000 plane tickets
2. islam is opposed to all western values

note that saudi arabia never gives aid to any non-muslim person or country, because they correctly understand basic islamic teaching, which you very clearly do not.

6   marcus   2015 Nov 25, 11:44am  


the large-scale importation of muslims

Large scale ?

The 800,00 in one year going in to Germany, a country of a little over 80 million. That's pretty large scale.

The 10,000 maximum that the U.S would take in in 2016, into our country that's nearly 4 times as large (320 million or so), not large scale.

7   marcus   2015 Nov 25, 11:48am  

I'm pretty shocked to learn that Patrick is this ignorant. Don't get me wrong, I am totally capable of the same kind of mass hysteria. For a day or two after 9-11, I was thinking nuke the fuckers, nuke them all.

But eventually for most of us, some sense of sanity returns.

I wouldn't argue if I didn't think this might be an important fork in the road. Yes, letting those 10,000 refugees in does pose some risk of a small scale event here. The kind of event that gives Islam a bad name. And it may seem counter intuitive to be willing to tolerate that. But my fear is that by defining and declaring Islam to be essentially evil, and setting ourselves apart from them, we may be setting the stage for major wars in the future.

Why not follow the teachings of Jesus on this one. Love thy neighbor.

8   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 11:50am  

marcus says

I'm pretty shocked to learn that Patrick is this ignorant

ignorant? because i actually read the koran and hadith, and noted the direct connection between that and the near-daily attacks on random non-muslims around the world?

so reading and thinking makes one ignorant?

what would knowledge be then?

9   marcus   2015 Nov 25, 11:57am  


so reading and thinking makes one ignorant?

Your reading is only with the intent of justifying your prejudice. Your conclusion is that 10,000 highly vetted refugees is a large scale importation of Muslims.

There is more to learning and understanding and perspective than taking in a bunch of information that validates a narrow minded (and yes hateful) viewpoint.

10   marcus   2015 Nov 25, 12:03pm  

I say let's walk the walk

11   indigenous   2015 Nov 25, 12:07pm  

IMO this is a state issue and any federally mandated program can and should be nullified if they so desire.

12   curious2   2015 Nov 25, 12:24pm  

marcus says

Yes, letting those 10,000 refugees in does pose some risk of a small scale event here.

YesYNot says

Killing a few hundred people is sad, but it's nothing.

I suggest marcus/"humanity" and "YesYNot" should be the first victims, though alas it will probably be others and marcus/"humanity" will continue his Ignorant and hateful blather. And yes, marcus/"humanity" is the hateful one, as shown by his willful Ignorance and trollishness. At the risk of sounding like Sarah Palin, marcus/"humanity" really does hate America: aside from calling everybody racist and refusing to get the flu vaccine even when schoolchildren were dying of H1N1, he now invites lethal attacks upon America.

Unfortunately, nothing seems to dissuade these would-be martyrs from their path, on either side. They simply double down. YesYNot said that hundreds killed are "nothing," just like Jihadi John; nothing matters to them except their own quest.

3 times in a week, a news site that I used to trust has repeated the same lie, "“We’ve had 750,000 refugees come into this country since the year 2001. None of them – not one – has been engaged in terrorism,” Ellison says." They know it's false, but they keep repeating it, thus making it a lie. (The prior shows claimed, falsely, "We admit 70,000 people already every year, many of them from Iraq and Somalia, and there has not been a single incident of a person turning out to be a terrorist." One added that "there have been no incidents with the hundreds of thousands of refugees that the U.S. has taken in over the years." In reality, even aside from the Boston marathon bombing and subsequent shootings, there have reportedly been "dozens" of other terrorist refugees, including convictions.) When people become so committed to a policy that hundreds killed seem like "nothing", lying for the cause seems like even less. They become blinded by their hatred for the "other" side, which happens in this instance to be their own country. They imagine that the enemy of their enemy must be their friend, forgetting that in life it is possible to have more than one enemy.

13   ddshutlz   2015 Nov 25, 1:48pm  

@ Patrick
You claim Christianity is non-violent in its teachings, but as far as I know, its teachings come from the Bible.
"And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying,.....
And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
Leviticus 24:16.
Mmmm? Thank God not a lot of people follow your teachings too seriously..... I would say that takes care of a lot of things in your comment...
By the way quotes like these are easy to find.

14   ddshutlz   2015 Nov 25, 2:09pm  

Americans joining ISIS.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/us/isis-us-arrests/
I know, I know, many of these guys have ties to ISLAM. However, a lot of people sure have some very American names.
Let's face it. The problem is global. It is not only Syria, Palestine, etc.
Lets find real solutions to our problems.

15   turtledove   2015 Nov 25, 2:51pm  

ddshutlz says

Thank God not a lot of people follow your teachings too seriously..... I would say that takes care of a lot of things in your comment...

By the way quotes like these are easy to find.

Those are not quotes from Jesus' teachings. Those are all Old Testament, Torah, in particular. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Dueteronomy are old Jewish law.

16   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 25, 2:53pm  

ddshutlz says

And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

Name the last person sentenced to death in the US, Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Israel, etc. for Blasphemy.

In fact, when a country tries to reduce a sentence for Blasphemy from the death penalty, it's Ministers are threatened with beheadings and riots ensue.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/salmaan-taseer-blasphemy-pakistan-bibi

Many Muslims identify "Democracy" with permission to be Insulting of the Prophet.

18   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 3:23pm  

sadly there are also some western countries with rarely-used anti-blasphemy laws, though only islamic countries have a death penalty for blasphemy:

http://end-blasphemy-laws.org/

19   ddshutlz   2015 Nov 25, 3:33pm  

@turtledove You miss the point buddy. Whether exodus, Leviticus, or whatever else, it is still in the Bible... So wait, we are supposed to listen to Jesus instead of The Lord? Or just choose what we listen to? Mmmmm sounds a lot like Islam.
Why are there so many Muslims who do no agree to bomb, murder, or rape women???
The fact that the teachings from the Bible (or the Old Testament) are not currently practiced or not even followed by Christians, does not take away the fact that those were the "rules" back then. No matter at what point in time, it still seems wrong to believe any of it, or to even believe that it was right back then.

22   Shaman   2015 Nov 25, 3:45pm  

At this point, trying to convince the idiots that Islam is our enemy is just pissing into the wind. They don't think using their frontal cortexes, but using their emotional centers instead for all. The only way to appeal to a person like that is with an emotional (and probably false) argument since that's all they understand.

23   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 3:48pm  

ddshutlz says

we are supposed to listen to Jesus instead of The Lord?

yes, actually. christians are supposed to follow jesus' example of "love thy neighbor" above the specific detailed laws of the old testament.

thus the story of jesus preventing the stoning of an adultress (which would have been required by jewish law), among other such stories.

and the fact that christians can eat pork, etc.

but you're right, islam derived many of its rules from judaism, and some of those rules are barbaric.

ddshutlz says

Why are there so many Muslims who do no agree to bomb, murder, or rape women???

because most muslims are good human beings in spite of what islam commands them to do.

ddshutlz says

it still seems wrong to believe any of it, or to even believe that it was right back then.

i agree. i don't believe any of it. but i do believe jesus was a far better role model for humanity than mohammed was. please read about mohammed.

24   ja   2015 Nov 25, 3:49pm  


sure, christianity is pre-enlightenment, but it is also very non-violent in its basic teachings, while islam is very violent in its basic teachings

Fair enough. Your model says that basic teachings have a lot of influence on people behavior, in particular how they relate to other people of different cultures.

Any empirical study to back up your model? I would take anytime into my home a Syrian doctor or accountant than a Mississipi redneck believing blindly in God/Country/family/guns. And make not mistake, most of the emigrating Syrians that walk for weeks with their little children hardly eating or resting towards Germany. Perhaps it's not that expensive/difficult to make better personality judgement than looking only at religion. I bet you a penny that walking for weeks with their little children hardly eating or resting is a better predictor or personality than the basic religion teachings of the country you were born in.

25   turtledove   2015 Nov 25, 3:57pm  

ddshutlz says

You miss the point buddy. Whether exodus, Leviticus, or whatever else, it is still in the Bible...

No sweet pea, I understand your point, I just think it's a bit misdirected. The Old Testament doesn't represent Christian law. It sets the "history" from which references are made in the New Testament. Christians live by the New Testament. It is only where references are made to the Old Testament from the New Testament that the Old Testament keeps its relevance in the Christian Bible. Christians do not live by the Torah. So to hold up a section of the Old Testament as proof that Christians aren't following the rules of Christianity is misdirected.

26   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 4:01pm  

Quigley says

At this point, trying to convince the idiots that Islam is our enemy is just pissing into the wind. They don't think using their frontal cortexes, but using their emotional centers instead for all. The only way to appeal to a person like that is with an emotional (and probably false) argument since that's all they understand.

i feel a bit sorry for them, because they have this beautiful dream that all religions are essentially the same.

when the news constantly shows them that one religion is far more violent than all of the others, their dream is crushed. they just don't want to believe it. it's too upsetting. so they come up with reasons that those people are not "true" muslims, or that it's all america's fault, or that christianity is just as violent.

i don't think they can be reached with facts. facts seem like an attack on their cherished hope.

27   Y   2015 Nov 25, 4:03pm  

This is why I promote carpet bombing of leaflets, nonstop, ridiculing mohammed. All sorts of shit.
Eventually they will become desensitized to this.

thunderlips11 says

Many Muslims identify "Democracy" with permission to be Insulting of the Prophet.

28   curious2   2015 Nov 25, 4:11pm  


they have this beautiful dream that all religions are essentially the same.

They have another beautiful dream that they did the Iraqis a favor by "liberating" Iraq, and that they're doing the Syrians a favor by bombing Syria and driving Syrians to become refugees (cheap labor attending Saudi-funded mosques) in Europe and America. I keep hearing Syrians say their dream is to return home, but they can't because NATO and our Saudi "allies" have destroyed Syria from the air and on land. The beautiful dream is that the Syrians will be grateful for this.

ja says

I would take anytime into my home a Syrian doctor or accountant than a Mississipi redneck believing blindly in God/Country/family/guns.

I would likewise heartily prefer to meet a Syrian doctor or accountant rather than the Duggar / Duck Dynasty dingbats, but I would not bomb either of them out of their homes and expect gratitude in exchange. The "children hardly eating or resting" are suffering on the journey, and yet you imagine those children will grow up thanking you for your generous bombing campaign, and your allies' oil money financing the ground campaign that drove them from their homes, where they lost all their favorite toys. For a lifetime they will remember what you did. I doubt they will feel the same way about it as you expect them to feel. To the contrary, with friends like you, the Syrians don't need enemies.

29   resistance   2015 Nov 25, 4:37pm  

ja says

Perhaps it's not that expensive/difficult to make better personality judgement than looking only at religion. I bet you a penny that walking for weeks with their little children hardly eating or resting is a better predictor or personality than the basic religion teachings of the country you were born in.

sure, most of them are probably fine people, but islam is simply the opposite of western values. note that they walked for weeks directly towards the greatest money and not simply to safety.

why not help them in turkey, where they are very close to their home and can go back when the war is over? what is your goal in bringing them here?

$16,000 per person will go much further in turkey, especially eastern turkey refugee camps, than it will here. this will also help weed out the charlatans that are not refugees at all but simply joined the epic stream of people toward money as soon as they noticed that the borders were open.

30   ddshutlz   2015 Nov 25, 4:37pm  

Finally,
What would daddy Trumph say?
"Let's build a fucking wall around Syria and trap all those Mexicans in there. !...."

31   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 25, 5:10pm  

Invade/Invite.

It's amazing that Multi Kultis can back a candidate who is one of the worst warmongers of the pack, Killary Klinton, and then get all teary eyed over Refugees.

We just did another regime change in Libya, got rid of the Dictator. What happened after, what is happening now, is nearly hell on Earth.

If you really want to help, leave a relatively peaceful, orderly, and secular countries alone. Yes, they drag Wahabi funded Clerics into dungeons in the middle of the night and electro-shock their genitals. But that's better than thousands of civilians being beheaded, sold into slavery, etc., not to mention the inevitable thousands in collateral damage by all sides ("Rebel" artillery sometimes misses the target or sends shrapnel flying into the park on the other side of the street too, y'know). What's happening in Syria is years of deliberate destabilization compounded by regime change to the East in Iraq and an ever-more-Islamic Turkey to the North.

32   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 25, 5:40pm  

Warning: Extremely disturbing, graphic footage. Woman executed in Plaza by moderate rebel "Al Nusra" Cleric for Adultery.

33   indigenous   2015 Nov 25, 5:49pm  

turtledove says

are old Jewish law.

That splains some stuff...

34   indigenous   2015 Nov 25, 6:07pm  

As long as we are being graphic, warning you can't un-see this.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YAZgFbV6ZZ0

35   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Nov 25, 6:08pm  

curious2 says

They have another beautiful dream that they did the Iraqis a favor by "liberating" Iraq, and that they're doing the Syrians a favor by bombing Syria and driving Syrians to become refugees

You seem to be confusing us liberals with people from the Bush administration.

36   indigenous   2015 Nov 25, 6:12pm  


islam is simply the opposite of western values

No there not, you insist on a cartoonish perspective on this. The number of dead are a tiny fraction of the dead produced by the US. This country kills people 24/7 decade after decade. The pathology is ubiquitous here, yet you choose to ignore it.

37   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 25, 6:19pm  

YesYNot says

You seem to be confusing us liberals with people from the Bush administration.

But you did the same shit in Libya, just with Aerial Bombardment and a few Green Beret/Mercenary Advisers and Forward Air Controllers.

38   FortWayne   2015 Nov 25, 6:21pm  

indigenous says

No there not, you insist on a cartoonish perspective on this. The number of dead are a tiny fraction of the dead produced by the US. This country kills people 24/7 decade after decade. The pathology is ubiquitous here, yet you choose to ignore it.

I don't think anyone cares to argue this. ISIS wants us dead, why should I care to compare anything to ISIS?

Sure we killed Nazi's in the 2nd? Those assholes wanted to kill us, we had a right to self defense!

40   curious2   2015 Nov 25, 6:27pm  

YesYNot says

curious2 says

They have another beautiful dream that they did the Iraqis a favor by "liberating" Iraq, and that they're doing the Syrians a favor by bombing Syria and driving Syrians to become refugees

You seem to be confusing us liberals with people from the Bush administration.

Of all the Orwellian things you could call yourself, "liberal" is the most surprising. There is nothing "liberal" about waging endless war all over the world on behalf of Gulf oil and gas interests, driving refugees to serve as cheap labor for German and American corporations. If you can find a way to call the U.S. bombing of Syria and Libya, and the U.S.-backed war in Yemen, "liberal", then you are speaking a different language with different definitions. Or perhaps you are merely under the misimpression that the Bush administration included Vice President Biden and Secretaries of State Clinton and Kerry (all of whom voted to authorize the Iraq war). Or perhaps you didn't realize that W left office in 2009 but the American bombing of Libya occurred in 2011, the American bombing of Syria began in 2014, and the U.S.-backed bombing of Yemen began this year. Oh wait - I forgot - you simply lie - I should not have bothered to respond.

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