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Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists


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2015 Dec 8, 8:12am   9,660 views  33 comments

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Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad

According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, significant minorities embrace supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America’s security and its constitutional form of government.

The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called “countering violent extremism” initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.

Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

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1   Bigsby   2015 Dec 8, 8:42am  

The Center for Security Policy.

Completely unbiased of course.

2   Bigsby   2015 Dec 8, 9:10am  

You don't see what you don't want to see.

3   Blurtman   2015 Dec 8, 9:14am  

Bigsby says

Completely unbiased of course.

It has been described to be unscientific and statistically meaningless.
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"The poll, from a think tank called the Center for Security Policy (CSP), reported that a quarter of the American Muslim population believe that violence against Americans is justified.

CSP is led by Frank Gaffney, a far-right activist who theorized that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the U.S. government as well as the work of tax lobbyist Grover Norquist. His think tank also propagates the myth of Muslim “no-go zones” in the European Union. And Gaffney claims that the U.S. Missile Defense agency logo was altered by the Obama administration to “reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo.”

The poll itself was conducted in a manner that was unscientific. Shortly after it was released in the summer of 2015, the Bridge Initiative at Georgetown University contacted the niche conservative pollster who conducted it, Polling Company/Woman Trend, and found out that the poll was conducted as a “non-probability based, opt-in online survey” — meaning that it has no statistical validity."

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/07/trump-cites-unscientific-poll-from-fringe-group-in-call-for-banning-muslim-immigration/

4   Bigsby   2015 Dec 8, 9:29am  

Ironman says

Bigsby says

You don't see what you don't want to see.

Care to show us the multiple videos of good American Muslims protesting down the streets about these "bad apples" in S.B. and assuring everyone that this a rarity?

Why do they need to march down streets? Did you march down the street protesting the murders at the Planned Parenthood clinic?

5   Blurtman   2015 Dec 8, 9:57am  

I think it is undeniable that some percentage of Muslim residents and future Muslim immigrants will commit a violent act for religious reasons. Whether these crimes rise to a level above the average I guess is one thing. There have been unfortunately too many mass shootings by nutter non-Muslim white guys. But it does introduce into the population folks who will kill randomly in the name of religion. The San Bernardino shooter was born in the USA.

6   marcus   2015 Dec 8, 10:46am  

Blurtman says

Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists

This is a problem. Some people on this forum are obsessed with it.

Why can't all problems have easy solutions ?

Also, why do I feel like the TPTB have us right where they want us. Scared and hysterical, far too distracted to address huge problems that have much simpler solutions. Solutions that aren't in the short term interest interest of the rich and powerful.

7   marcus   2015 Dec 8, 11:01am  

As terrible as they are, Islamic Terrorists account for less than twenty percent of "mass shootings" and mass shootingfs account for about 1% of murders.

I'm not saying it isn't a problem. It's a very real problem. But I don't think it's a large enough problem that it requires hating and fearing Islam in total.

Better to just increase the background checks for purchasing guns, and gradually put other limits on the purchase of guns. E.g.., anyone buying substantial numbers of automatic weapons probably should be investigated as to why they purchased them, or required to explain their use at the time of purchase, and they should be subject to random checks that they still have them. And yeah, as anti American as it sounds, Muslims probably should be prohibited from owning guns, just because of their religion.

Maybe the amount of law enforcement currently dedicated to the 'war on drugs' should be redirected toward the 'monitoring of guns.' And for drugs, increase the resources dedicated to treatment of addiction.

8   socal2   2015 Dec 8, 11:06am  

marcus says

I'm not saying it isn't a problem. It's a very real problem. But I don't think it's a large enough problem that it requires hating and fearing Islam in total.

It's a bigger problem than just mass shootings in Paris and California.

ISIS (and Assad) have caused one of the biggest refugee crisis in modern times that will forever change the demographics of Europe.

Ancient archaeological sites that survived 3,000 years of Climate Change couldn't survive one year of ISIS.

9   anonymous   2015 Dec 8, 11:18am  

Do these nitwit leftists ever bother to stop and think about whatit is theyre being brainwashed to support?

All the effort to remove Christianity from American culture; you cant say merry christmas! Thats offensive!

But a breed of the most ignorant, culture-less, women hating savages carrying out a religious directive to slaughter all non-muslims,,,,? They will defend them to the death

Quite the bizarro world hill to die on

10   Strategist   2015 Dec 8, 11:21am  

Bigsby says

Ironman says

Bigsby says

You don't see what you don't want to see.

Care to show us the multiple videos of good American Muslims protesting down the streets about these "bad apples" in S.B. and assuring everyone that this a rarity?

Why do they need to march down streets?

Just draw a cartoon of Mohammad if you want them to March.
Bigs, don't you think it's in the interest of Muslims to put some force behind their claims that Muslims don't support terrorism?

11   Strategist   2015 Dec 8, 11:24am  

socal2 says

marcus says

I'm not saying it isn't a problem. It's a very real problem. But I don't think it's a large enough problem that it requires hating and fearing Islam in total.

Terrorism, wars, human rights abuses, pedophilia. Nope, no problem at all.

12   socal2   2015 Dec 8, 11:25am  

errc says

Do these nitwit leftists ever bother to stop and think about whatit is theyre being brainwashed to support?

All the effort to remove Christianity from American culture; you cant say merry christmas! Thats offensive!

But a breed of the most ignorant, culture-less, women hating savages carrying out a religious directive to slaughter all non-muslims,,,,? They will defend them to the death

Quite the bizarro world hill to die on

Not only that, many Leftists in the US and Europe are some of the best propaganda boosters for ISIS by aping things like Bush Lied and 9/11 truther bullshit.

Who needs crackpot Imams to radicalize Muslims when we got Michael Moore and Alex Jones?

13   marcus   2015 Dec 8, 12:34pm  

socal2 says

errc says

Do these nitwit leftists ever bother to stop and think about whatit is theyre being brainwashed to support?

All the effort to remove Christianity from American culture; you cant say merry christmas! Thats offensive!

But a breed of the most ignorant, culture-less, women hating savages carrying out a religious directive to slaughter all non-muslims,,,,? They will defend them to the death

Ercc sure is lacking in his ability to comprehend anything subtle or complex when it comes to his emotions regarding lefties.

Suddenly, saying happy holidays is the equivalent of saying "you can't say merry Christmas."

What a total crock. You might come back with something about the ACLU (who don't represent all liberals - they represent civil liberties), challenging nativity scenes on public property. Sure right wingers are more bothered by this than liberals, but IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS EVEN ONE SINGLE LIBERAL OR LEFTY OUT THERE THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH "MERRY CHRISTMAS."

Or even more retarded: You want to conflate not wanting to segregate all Muslims in other countries and then nuking them, or not otherwise punishing the religion of Islam in total, with "defending them to the death."

Defending who ? The majority of Muslims that don't agree with the radicals ? Oh, we can't have that.

Does Errc even think for a second before he spews those emotions ?

14   anonymous   2015 Dec 8, 12:41pm  

I give it plenty enough thought, marcus. Remember, i have an IQ of 150, that got your panties all in a bunch and you had to put me on ignore. Lmao

15   marcus   2015 Dec 8, 12:51pm  

socal2 says

ISIS (and Assad) have caused one of the biggest refugee crisis in modern times that will forever change the demographics of Europe.

Should it be just ISIS and Assad ? Or ore like ISIS, Assad, the U.S, Isreal, Russia, Turkey, and Suadi Arabia, etc,. etc.

16   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Dec 8, 12:55pm  

marcus says

Does Errc even think for a second before he spews those emotions ?

The right makes up shit like the war on Christmas all the time. O'Reilly just like wacking at straw men on TV and gets paid handsomely for it. Hard-core Christians seem to eat it up. Perhaps they want to imagine themselves martyrs to be closer to Christ who was the ultimate martyr.

17   anonymous   2015 Dec 8, 1:40pm  

Lol

18   Bigsby   2015 Dec 8, 4:03pm  

Strategist says

Just draw a cartoon of Mohammad if you want them to March.

Bigs, don't you think it's in the interest of Muslims to put some force behind their claims that Muslims don't support terrorism?

I'm tired of reading this over and over again. I am the only person on here who lives in a Muslim country. I see every day people speaking out against the threat from Daesh. Many Muslims aren't silent about it, just as they weren't silent about San Bernardino. That some people assume there hasn't been a response simply because they don't search it out doesn't then mean there hasn't been one. In the current climate, people are much more inclined to presume the worst, imagining Muslims aren't saying anything against it, or like people on here, preferring to focus on such things as a clearly biased poll that feeds their prejudices.
There is, however, quite clearly a real and present danger with the likes of Daesh. That has developed for a myriad of reasons, one obviously being an extremist interpretation of their religion. There are also other factors at play and to pretend otherwise is simply ignoring potential causative factors that could be addressed. That doesn't then mean that we should turn a blind eye to the things we find abhorrent. This isn't about appeasing religious fundamentalists. They need to be dealt with, but you don't do that by demonizing the entire religion of 1.6bn people - that simply feeds into ISIS propaganda against the West, which is precisely what they want.

19   Shaman   2015 Dec 8, 4:08pm  

Bigsby says

Why do they need to march down streets? Did you march down the street protesting the murders at the Planned Parenthood clinic?

They only march down the street in protest when someone "insults Islam" by drawing a cartoon or showing disrespect to a Quran. The next level of marching down the streets is happening now in Europe where areas now have a majority Muslims. The street marches there more resemble anarchist raids.
This is why we need to do as Trump suggested and put a stop to Muslim immigration. If we get too many, they'll hit the singularity point and we'll have no end of Muslim trouble. Keep em low numbers and spread out and we'll probably be ok.

20   Bigsby   2015 Dec 8, 4:12pm  

Quigley says

They only march down the street in protest when someone "insults Islam" by drawing a cartoon or showing disrespect to a Quran. The next level of marching down the streets is happening now in Europe where areas now have a majority Muslims. The street marches there more resemble anarchist raids.
This is why we need to do as Trump suggested and put a stop to Muslim immigration. If we get too many, they'll hit the singularity point and we'll have no end of Muslim trouble. Keep em low numbers and spread out and we'll probably be ok.

Let me guess, you actually believed what Trump said when he talked straight out of his arse about there being "places in London and other places that are so radicalised that the police are afraid for their own lives."

21   Strategist   2015 Dec 8, 5:02pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Just draw a cartoon of Mohammad if you want them to March.


Bigs, don't you think it's in the interest of Muslims to put some force behind their claims that Muslims don't support terrorism?

I'm tired of reading this over and over again. I am the only person on here who lives in a Muslim country. I see every day people speaking out against the threat from Daesh. Many Muslims aren't silent about it, just as they weren't silent about San Bernardino. That some people assume there hasn't been a response simply because they don't search it out doesn't then mean there hasn't been one. In the current climate, people are much more inclined to presume the worst, imagining Muslims aren't saying anything against it, or like people on here, preferring to focus on such things as a clearly biased poll that feeds their prejudices.

I believe you when you say Muslims are speaking out. Clearly a lot more has to be done by them, because the rest of the world sees Islamic terrorism all over the globe, every day. Can you blame the rest of the world for developing prejudice against Muslims?

Bigsby says

There is, however, quite clearly a real and present danger with the likes of Daesh. That has developed for a myriad of reasons, one obviously being an extremist interpretation of their religion.

Yes, and how are Muslims dealing with that? They are the ones who need to take the lead in Islam's interpretation. Most Muslims seem to be busy trying to convince the world they are peaceful, when they should be convincing radical Muslims that Islam is peaceful.

Bigsby says

They need to be dealt with, but you don't do that by demonizing the entire religion of 1.6bn people

Would it make any difference if there were just a million Muslims worldwide? It's not the numbers that matter but the success a religion has made towards making the world a better place. One way to judge a religion is by it's laws. Islam's laws are extremely cruel and bloody. This barbarity does not belong on the planet. Yes, it must be demonized, because demonizing it is the quickest way of making it change. If demonizing Islam brings more violence, then we were right. Islam is not a peaceful religion.

22   marcus   2015 Dec 8, 7:37pm  

errc says

Remember, i have an IQ of 150, that got your panties all in a bunch and you had to put me on ignore

IT was just your obnoxiousness that had me put you on ignore. I'll admit though that your obnoxiousness is not independent of your thinking you have an IQ of 150.

I've never met someone that said out loud they had a high IQ that actually did. You would be the fist. I think the rule of thumb is when someone brags about their high IQ, and specifies a number, muliply by 2/3 to get the actual value. That puts you right at 100, which lines up perfectly (or maybe a little better) with a lot of your political comments.

23   Shaman   2015 Dec 8, 11:10pm  

Bigsby says

Let me guess, you actually believed what Trump said when he talked straight out of his arse about there being "places in London and other places that are so radicalised that the police are afraid for their own lives."

At this point I suspect Trump is following me! I say something here and Trump takes my position. I wasn't a fan of him a few months ago, but now I think he might be the only true player in the race who stands a chance of representing real Americans. Obama has shown us through his abuse of the office just how important the POTUS can be. Maybe a non-evil (if rather blundering) person stands a chance of turning this bitch around.

24   Shaman   2015 Dec 8, 11:13pm  

My IQ is 300 Marcus. You're welcome to apply your calculus to find the "real" number ;)

25   Dan8267   2015 Dec 9, 12:55am  

Quigley says

My IQ is 300 Marcus.

Which is the same IQ as 150 Marcuses.

26   deepcgi   2015 Dec 9, 2:39am  

It is the 800 million Muslims who support the advancement of shariah law that worry me. Violence is only one issue. Shariah is incompatible with the Magna Carta let alone the US Constitution. If the numbers of Muslims were not so great, we wouldn't be as troubled by the threat. Our political correctness will lead to a lifetime of domestic terrorism and cultural appeasement.

I cannot think of another group of immigrants less likely to assimilate into American culture than Muslims. Can you?

27   bob2356   2015 Dec 9, 3:55am  

deepcgi says

It is the 800 million Muslims who support the advancement of shariah law that worry me. Violence is only one issue. Shariah is incompatible with the Magna Carta let alone the US Constitution. If the numbers of Muslims were not so great, we wouldn't be as troubled by the threat. Our political correctness will lead to a lifetime of domestic terrorism and cultural appeasement.

So you are saying the 2.5 million muslims in the US are going to get the the constitution changed to sharia law while the other 315 million americans sit around with their thumb up their ass?

28   Strategist   2015 Dec 9, 8:41am  

bob2356 says

deepcgi says

It is the 800 million Muslims who support the advancement of shariah law that worry me. Violence is only one issue. Shariah is incompatible with the Magna Carta let alone the US Constitution. If the numbers of Muslims were not so great, we wouldn't be as troubled by the threat. Our political correctness will lead to a lifetime of domestic terrorism and cultural appeasement.

So you are saying the 2.5 million muslims in the US are going to get the the constitution changed to sharia law while the other 315 million americans sit around with their thumb up their ass?

If 8 Muslims can shut down France and 15 can shut down the US for 3 days, 2.5 million could easily change the constitution. For all practical purposes, they already control some of our freedoms with simple threats.

29   Strategist   2015 Dec 9, 10:13am  

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

8 Muslims can shut down France and 15 can shut down the US for 3 days, 2.5 million could easily change the constitution. For all practical purposes, they already control some of our freedoms with simple threats.

You lying sack of Zionism. The Zionists control the US and you know it yet you warn people that Muslims will do what Zionists have already done.

You are such a fraud, Strategist. And again, I warn you, at the end of time, God will have a special anger for the Zionists. That is a guarantee.

Good morning Gary. Did we forget to put the coffee in the coffee?

30   Strategist   2015 Dec 9, 10:23am  

Ironman says

Strategist says

If 8 Muslims can shut down France and 15 can shut down the US for 3 days, 2.5 million could easily change the constitution. For all practical purposes, they already control some of our freedoms with simple threats.

Hell, you have one in the White House right now that pisses all over the constitution on a regular basis.

I hear he has been given 13 months to vacate the property.......or else.....

31   bob2356   2015 Dec 9, 11:41am  

Ironman says

bob says

So you are saying the 2.5 million muslims in the US are going to get the the constitution changed to sharia law while the other 315 million americans sit around with their thumb up their ass?

Ever hear of the 3% rule?

Please don't attempt math, it always makes you look foolish. No I've never heard of the 3% rule. I've heard of the 4% rule for retirement savings. Perhaps you could explain the 3% rule.

Strategist says

If 8 Muslims can shut down France and 15 can shut down the US for 3 days, 2.5 million could easily change the constitution.

How is that other than in your imagination? The last amendment passed took 202 years to be ratified.

32   justme   2015 Dec 9, 11:47am  

In other news, poll of US Christians reveals ominous level of support for Christianist supremacists.

33   Strategist   2015 Dec 9, 12:38pm  

bob2356 says

Strategist says

If 8 Muslims can shut down France and 15 can shut down the US for 3 days, 2.5 million could easily change the constitution.

How is that other than in your imagination? The last amendment passed took 202 years to be ratified.

Any comments regarding the rest of my post.....

Strategist says

For all practical purposes, they already control some of our freedoms with simple threats.

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