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Fuck off I saw the other day "America is at risk, study 1 in 5 Americans are obese"

I thought you guys have been saying that more than half of the people are obese?Blurtman says

in 2014, that number jumped to 8.9%.

Your quote is even less. Divide and conquer.

Blurtman says

• Make way for China. In 1975, China was 60th and 41st for severely obese men and women, respectively. In 2014, it was second for both.

Why do you hate progress?

And how is Ethiopia doing on this scale?

Capt'n makes a good point. When trying to find the why one should first make sure the statistics are not bogus. Otherwise we will have another global warming crisis on our hands.

Wait a minute is there a correlation between obesity and global warming?

indigenous says

When trying to find the why one should first make sure the statistics are not bogus.

The Lancet is a peer reviewed publication and a credible source. Not sure what Capt'n is referring to, but if references were supplied, we'd all know.

Blurtman says

The Lancet is a peer reviewed publication and a credible source.

So is global warming.

Any other sources?

indigenous says

Capt'n makes a good point. When trying to find the why one should first make sure the statistics are not bogus. Otherwise we will have another global warming crisis on our hands.

Wait a minute is there a correlation between obesity and global warming?

There's a difference between enacting legislature like with GW and actually removing PC restrictions to make the world a place with more freedom. Wrt obesity the anti-fat-shaming PC media has been in overdrive, and in Britain a group of fat-shamers were prosecuted. This is another instance where so-called psychologists and the PC mafia screwed everything up with their non-scientific bs. The cold hard truth is that fat shaming works because being ashamed of ones looks and learning to cope with it is a very human natural instinct. Sure, there are the small percentage of those where the shame makes things worse for them and they develop eating disorders, but for the vast majority a healthy dose of shame makes them go to the gym, get healthier, run, eat less and better and achieve more in life and feel better about themselves in general. While I agree with the Captn though that the constant media attention is useless and the numbers vary broadly, we have definitely been getting fatter.

Maybe so. Is this another case of poor parenting?

BTW another case of bogus statistics is the one about the disappearing bees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-entine/post_10802_b_8913974.html

indigenous says

Blurtman says

The Lancet is a peer reviewed publication and a credible source.

So is global warming.

Any other sources?

Global warming is a very complex phenomenon and the climate models have millions of variables and unknowns, observing the number of obese people in society is so much easier and more accurate that you cannot sincerely compare those two.

indigenous says

Maybe so. Is this another case of poor parenting?

I would say that is very likely. Plus our transition from physical labor to office jobs and the advent of modern technology connecting us virtually.

indigenous says

Any other sources?

There are many, many credible publications. Just use PubMed and search them yourself.

Here is but one.

Obesity is a chronic disease that is strongly associated with an increase in mortality and morbidity including, certain types of cancer, cardiovascular disease, disability, diabetes mellitus, hypertension, osteoarthritis, and stroke. In adults, overweight is defined as a body mass index (BMI) of 25 kg/m(2) to 29 kg/m(2) and obesity as a BMI of greater than 30 kg/m(2). If current trends continue, it is estimated that, by the year 2030, 38% of the world's adult population will be overweight and another 20% obese. Significant global health strategies must reduce the morbidity and mortality associated with the obesity epidemic.

Prim Care. 2016 Mar;43(1):121-35. doi: 10.1016/j.pop.2015.10.001. Epub 2016 Jan 12.
Obesity Statistics.
Smith KB, Smith MS.

Perhaps the US needs to immigrate more Ethiopians to bring that average down?

IOW another case of Darwin's law.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

It's clear the obesity epidemic is directly related to the IMMENSE-ity of the LESBIANS.

The first time I have seen you use a tautology.

Blurtman says

Obesity is out of control. Why?

NPR: How The Food Industry Helps Engineer Our Cravings

...the expression "bliss point" to capture that perfect amount of sweetness that would send us over the moon, their products flying off the shelf.

It's not that they engineer bliss points for sweetness in things like soda, ice cream, cookies — things we know and expect to be sweet. The food companies have marched around the grocery store adding sweetness, engineering bliss points to products that didn't used to be sweet. So now bread has added sugar and a bliss point for sweetness. Yogurt can be as sweet as ice cream for some brands. And pasta sauce — my gosh, there are some brands with the equivalent of sugar from a couple of Oreo cookies in one half-cup serving.

And what this does, nutritionists say, is create this expectation in us that everything should be sweet. And this is especially difficult for kids who are hard-wired to the sweet taste. So when you drag their little butts over to the produce aisle and try to get them to eat some of that stuff we all should be eating more of — Brussels sprouts and broccoli, which have some of the other basic tastes like sour and bitter — you get a rebellion on your hands.

Listen to the audiocast in the above link for more details.

The solution is to eat healthy and in moderation and to exercise. That's it. There is no shortcut, no secret, no pill you can pop. Just be disciplined and informed about what you eat and spend some time doing aerobics and weight lifting. You don't have to go overboard. I'm a software developer. We're not known for being athletic, but I do half an hour of aerobics a day and about an hour of weight training every day after work. And I started slowly. At first I just did 8 minutes a day of aerobics and every week I increased by a minute until I was at 30 minutes. Then I started lifting weights. It's about gradually making a life style change and sticking with it.

As for food, I haven't eaten fast food in over a year and I feel great. Instead, I have a Soylent for lunch. It's fast, cheap, far more convenient than fast food, and you feel good after drinking it instead of feeling bad like with fast food. I have a Danby fridge in my office that cost $100, uses $27 of electricity a year, is damn quiet even by the standards of a noise-ophobe like me, and it's packed with ice-cold refreshing Soylent. I don't have to drive to lunch and fight for a parking spot, and that means more time to post on PatNet!

So take control over your life instead of letting your environment and the market dictate how you live. Drink Soylent. Stop drinking soda. Exercise just a little each day, and every week do a little more. Go for walks with someone you care about. You'll get fresh air, have wonderful conversations, get exercise, enjoy the beauty in your neighborhood, and feel better both physically and emotionally.

My parents are retired and stay at my house for about three months in the winter. Every Saturday and Sunday, I walk around my neighborhood with my mom, who has Alzheimer's. It's good for her, engages her mind, gives her exercise. At the same time, I get to spend quality time with her and enjoy all the lovely scenery in my neighborhood, which quite frankly I don't appreciate enough during the rest of the year. We just talk while walking and pointing out the various lovely flowers and trees. It's far more enjoyable than sitting on a couch in front of a t.v. and it's better for your health.

mell says

PC restrictions to make the world a place with more freedom.

I'm not being the PC police, I'm just saying you plantation motherfuckers are some easy ass bitches for the Liberals to play like a cheap Kazoo with their elitist statistics pulled out of their ass.

You guys eat that shit up too.

Why not post pictures of people with big noses and we can all laugh at them and blame them for Obama, Bush and Hillarys debalces.

Tenpoundbass says

mell says

PC restrictions to make the world a place with more freedom.

I'm not being the PC police, I'm just saying you plantation motherfuckers are some easy ass bitches for the Liberals to play like a cheap Kazoo with their elitist statistics pulled out of their ass.

You guys eat that shit up too.

Why not post pictures of people with big noses and we can all laugh at them and blame them for Obama, Bush and Hillarys debalces.

It's another useful cause for more government regulations. Instead of banning 40 oz sodas or putting taxes on everything while at the same point railing against fat-shaming will accomplish nothing except for more government intrusion. That doesn't mean that we haven't gotten bigger,whether you believe it or not. This should not be a political issue, society used to be able to handle issues like these itself without looking up to government.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm not being the PC police

Clearly a conspiracy amongst medical professionals around the world. It's diabolical!

Obesity is out of control. Why?

It's not calories if you drink it!

They're diet! And Multigrain!

And I use the treadmill for 20 minutes during ESPN Sportscenter after I eat 1000 calories of it.

I hear you especially about Starbucks. If you want to watch junkies, that is the place to hang out.

And - It's organic, and low salt.

Ironman says

There are slightly more women at a healthy weight, according to the estimates, but still approximately two-thirds of women in the US – 64 percent – are overweight or obese.

See that's not what the OP claims?

So according to those Fantasy narrative talking point info graphs, under weight doesn't exist?

Anorexic people are considered normal weight, under nourished people don't count, sick and the feeble, they've got to all add up to some low teen number at least.

Salt, oil, and sugar. Bliss points. Tons of cheap meat. Lots of eating out.

Dan8267 says

. It's about gradually making a life style change and sticking with it.

This is right. And

eat real food, mostly plants, not to much.

Blaming Pritikin is ridiculous. Come on man.

Good Point. You found the PW for your avatar?

Ironman says

From young men in their 20s to the more mature, three out of every four men in the United States is now either overweight or obese, suggests new estimates published last month. The research was published in JAMA Internal Medicine.

Overweight is bullshit. Overweight means you can maybe pinch an inch. A 30-year old man at 5'10 wearing 34-36 pants is overweight, for most people it is within 20 lbs of their ideal weight. Statistically, Overweight has almost no health consequences, in fact for non-life threatening illnesses in adults (Colds, Bronchitis) overweight people recover faster and suffer less than average; whereas Underweight is as risky as Obesity Class III.

I wonder - are obesity stats adjusted for population demographics?

A population that has half the people under 40 is going to be a lot less obese than one where half the population is over 40.

If not, how much of the obesity crisis is the Boomers passing 50 and being a huge chunk of the population? Same in Europe... and China...

Or just BS statistics. See the disappearing bees post from today.

So a Guy who is 5'9" and 130lb is "Average", but a guy who is 5'9" and 170lb is a disgusting fatbody? Gimme a break.

Any dude who at 5'9" and 130lb is either a professional cyclist or a raw food fruitinarian a step from death or his third hospitalization for anemia.

A 5'9" dude who is 180 has a bit of a paunch, the risk to health is statistically insignificant versus "Average" weight people. He wouldn't be chippendale dancing, but he probably wouldn't be called "Mantits McGee" either.

Ironman says

Your definition of overweight is "a disgusting fatbody"?? I think you're confusing that term with Obese. 170 is just overweight..

I'm not, I don't understand how 130lb can not be considered by the CDC to be "Dangerously Thin" but 170lb gets a 5'9" guy labelled "Overweight".

I think this whole thing is predicated on skinnyfat completely sedentary and non-muscular people.

thunderlips11 says

So a Guy who is 5'9" and 130lb is "Average", but a guy who is 5'9" and 170lb is a disgusting fatbody? Gimme a break.

At 5'9", I've weighed between 135 and 179 in my adult life. Mostly, it's been between 150 and 170. Personally, I think 150 feels best, but 140 feels better than 160. By that, I mean, I have less fat and can run better at 140 than at 160. I can tell you that unless someone is doing a lot of weight lifting or is a natural beefcake fatneck, 179 is too fat. I can also tell you that a pant size of 34-36 on a 5'9" guy is too fat, muscle or no muscle. At 179, I was wearing 34s At 140, it's 30-31. At 150, which is smack in the middle of the BF range, it's a loose 32.

Ironman says

Actually partly right, the cyclist part for a body style... I'm actually not far from that at 19.9 and my diet really sucks, but I never have to worry about putting on weight, so I can eat whatever crap I want.

You won the genetic lottery for weight. If you are eating crap, hopefully, you won it for other things. Eating crap is not healthy even if it doesn't make you fat.

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All I had for dinner was a salad.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

You've got to wonder, if things were scaled back to reasonable sizes, would people bulk down over time.

Yes, but it will never happen.

The obesity epidemic is probably due to globalization and welfare state. Everywhere you look, people resemble prisoners from Auschwitz and Belzec.

Ironman says

That's a hell of a swing in weight... I swing in about a 3 - 4 lb range depending on activity and what I'm eating. When I start bumping up against the top range, I feel like crap.

It is. 135 was the result of eating mostly from a garden over the summer while being very active at 22. 179 was the result of being busy and travelling a lot in late 30s. So, it's not a yoyo thing. Mostly, I've been between 150 and 170 for 25 yrs, which mostly from the mid to high normal weight. I don't know how common that amount of fluctuation is. A rise of 10 lbs / decade is quite common, though.

It's all in the diet. Get away from the fake, processed, boxed food like products - and make all your meals from scratch.

My wife and I started doing this 6 years ago. We both dropped 20 pounds over the course of a year.

Tack in exercise and you'll feel great.

Go get some bloodwork done after a year of living like this, and your doctor will be like WTF are you doing?

Ironman says

my charts are from the US...

Are you trying to say there's no Food insecurity or mal nourishment in this country?

komputodo says

All I had for dinner was a salad.

The BIIIIIIG Salad!

Now your chart is disputing your previous chart, and the one that was posted after this one, again ignores the underweight folks and still has a different set of number than the first one.
Quit spreading Insurance company propaganda, this is why they keep raising the premiums 30% every year post Obamacare. Liberals taught them people are shallow idiots and will believe anything.
No critical skills required!

Do Obesity Stats control for an aging population? In 1970, most of the population in US/Europe was under 40.

Obviously an aging population is going to heavy.

Again, overweight has no statistically significant mortality risk, so worrying about it is a huge waste of resources. Obesity, yes, but really not until you reach Class II.

185lb for a 5'10 guy who has worked out for more than 2-3 years is nothing. Here is a 5'10, 184lb guy:

http://games.crossfit.com/athlete/114271

Now if this guy had another 10 pounds on him from a few extra big macs and chips, or if he got laid up for a couple of months and snacked a bit, he'd be 195lb and considered pushing obesity.

Many people with orthorexia and other body image disorders probably consider the guy above to be a bit chubby, when he's probably 17-19% BF

thunderlips11 says

Again, overweight has no statistically significant mortality risk

In a nationally representative sample of US adults, the prevalence of diabetes increases with increasing weight classes. Nearly one fourth of adults with diabetes have poor glycemic control and nearly half of adult diabetics are considered obese suggesting that weight loss is an important intervention in an effort to reduce the impact of diabetes on the health care system.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128002

Obesity, weight gain, and ovarian cancer risk in African American women.

Obesity and excessive adult weight gain may increase ovarian cancer risk in post-menopausal AA women.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27038123

Here's another overweight fatbody, according to the CDC. 5'10", 180lb.

And another.

Overweight

None of these guys are professional jacked bodybuilding mag models. They Novice Amateur Bodybuilders, with results one can expect from 1-2 years of a moderate exercise program 3-4 times a week - nothing outrageous.