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God Sucks


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2016 Apr 15, 9:08pm   43,395 views  204 comments

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If god existed, he would be a motherfucking, evil asshole.
www.youtube.com/embed/2-d4otHE-YI

But there are better alternatives.
www.youtube.com/embed/CqibqD4fJZs

And quite frankly we're tired of these false gods.
www.youtube.com/embed/BRHefbIgKxk

#religion #atheism #rationality

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1   FortWayne   2016 Apr 15, 9:14pm  

Dan as much as you hate god, remember that he will always be there ready to accept and forgive you when you come to your senses finally.

2   marcus   2016 Apr 15, 10:08pm  

IF the only god that Fry can conceive of is some dude with an agenda, then he's right, but he's also retarded. Why are these asinine atheists always the same kind of effete sort of faggy British guys ?

3   missing   2016 Apr 16, 7:40am  

marcus says

Why are these asinine atheists always the same kind of effete sort of faggy British guys ?

According to Nature journal's two surveys (20 years apart, I believe) about 98% (could have been 96%) of the members of the National Academy of Sciences around the world are atheists. Why members of the NAS's? They wanted to survey world class scientists, rather than the kinds of Jimmy Gotaphd, Assistant Prof in Psychology at Upper Central Missouri College who considers himself a scientist but can't shake off his rural Kansas upbringing.

When your ideas diverge so totally with a crowd like this, you should question your own retardedness first.

4   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Apr 16, 11:05am  

Reminded me of this complaint:

"“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words Socialism and Communism draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, Nature Cure quack, pacifist, and feminist in England….The food-crank* is by definition a person willing to cut himself off from human society in hopes of adding five years on to the life of his carcass; that is, a person out of touch with common humanity.”"-George Orwell

Sure, a lot of Atheists are like the grown up kid in the basement from Everybody Loves Ray, giving atheists a bad name.

5   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 1:37pm  

FortWayne says

Dan as much as you hate god,

I no more hate your god than I hate Darth Vader, Lord Voldemort, or any other fictional character.

Have you accepted your lord and savior, Harry Potter, in your heart? The boy who lived is a miracle and his survival of the Avada Kedavra curse proves his divinity.

6   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 1:43pm  

marcus says

IF the only god that Fry can conceive of is some dude with an agenda, then he's right, but he's also retarded.

Stephen Fry gave detailed and precise analysis of why no benevolent god would create the universe as it is with wholely unnecessary suffering. And the only response you can give is to call him a retard? Not only is that an ad hominem attack also indicates a complete lack of intellectual honesty on your part. If you are actually a teacher, then you are a terrible one. You are advocating the complete dismissal of debate and reason in favor of name-calling. How the fuck do you work in academia?

marcus says

Why are these asinine atheists always the same kind of effete sort of faggy British guys ?

They aren't. That's just your racism and homophobia speaking.

7   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 1:49pm  

Don't make me go all Thomas Aquinas on you again.

8   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:03pm  

FWinston says

Nobody knows anything. That's what my dad used to say. Most folks think they know everything, but nobody really knows anything.

Your dad was wrong.

1. Nobody knows anything.

I, and any other mathematically literate person, knows the square root of two is an irrational number. It is also algebraic with respect to the integers. Pi is also an irrational number but is not algebraic to the integers.

Can you seriously make the argument that I do not know the square root of two is irrational? Clearly man can and does actually know things. If he didn't, would you risk flying in airplane or getting surgery in a modern hospital? Fuck no. It would be ridiculous to fly in an airplane if man didn't know a damn good deal about physics. It would be insane to let a doctor cut you open and remove your appendix if man didn't know a damn good deal about human anatomy and how the body functions. You accept that the doctor knows your appendix will kill you if it isn't remove, so clearly you do not believe that "nobody knows anything". This is a cop-out of the highest degree, and if we actually accepted it we'd live our much shorter and far more miserable lives very differently.

2. Most folks think they know everything

I have never met anyone who has claimed that he or she knows everything. However, if there is anyone on this board who actually believes that he or she knows everything, please say so. Let's pass on the obligatory sarcastic claims and see if anyone actually seriously believes this.

This also is a cop-out. It is true that many people claim expertise in areas they are not experts, but this cop-out wildly exaggerates this and then falsely concludes that therefore there are no experts on any subject matters, which is blatantly not true.

3. Nobody really knows anything

So the pilot doesn't really know how to fly the plane you are in? And you didn't bother taking that into consideration during boarding?

So the surgeon removing your appendix does not know how to safely cut into you without causing you to bleed to death, or how to find the appendix, or where and how to cut it, or even whether or not it's a danger to you? And you didn't bother taking that into consideration before opting for surgery?

So the automotive engineers who designed the brakes on your car know nothing about mechanics? And you didn't bother taking that into consideration before buying the car?

So the electrician who is wiring your house knows nothing of the magic of electricity? And you didn't bother taking that into account before hiring the wizard?

Image what life would actually be like if you acted on the premise that "nobody really knows anything" every day.

9   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:04pm  

indigenous says

Don't make me go all Thomas Aquinas on you again.

So you want to continue to argue that rape is far worse than masturbation?

10   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 2:07pm  

Dan8267 says

So you want to continue to argue that rape is far worse than masturbation?

Just 5 ways.

11   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:08pm  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Dawkins is so smart, why doesn't he spend all day shitting all over bankers instead of drooling fuckwits who sit around waiting for jesus to make pizzas appear on their doorsteps?

That's Elizabeth Warren's job.

12   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:16pm  

Dan8267 says

So you want to continue to argue that rape is far worse than masturbation?

Correction: Thomas Aquinas argued that masturbation is far worse than rape.

It's such an idiotic argument that I couldn't even type it correctly. My brain autocorrected it.

13   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 2:21pm  

FP says

When your ideas diverge so totally with a crowd like this, you should question your own retardedness first.

I have no problem whatsoever with atheists or atheism. But radical atheists, espousing the exact thing I would have said when I was 15 years old ? Making arguments against some anthropomorphised view of god ?

Many of those type atheists are idiots.

If a 7 year old child's view of god or a fundamentalists view of god are the only beliefs in god that one can possibly imagine, then I guess he and the other radical atheists are brilliant. But in my world one has to be truly retarded to think that all the intelligent adults who believes in god, see god in anything close to this way.

It's really no different than the stupid straw man arguments you hear in political arguments. Such as when Dan calls someone an idiot for their straw man argument against what they think a liberal is.

IF Dan isn't in the mood to elaborate, it doesn't mean he's wrong that the straw man version of a liberal is stupid.

14   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 2:30pm  

As you have illustrated deifying is pointless. OTOH throwing out the baby with the bathwater is equally crazy.

15   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:35pm  

marcus says

But radical atheists

Define "radical atheist". Radical is the new nigger. Today the word is a meaningless label used only to dehumanize individuals and groups and to dismiss their ideas without actually addressing those ideas.

Don't like an idea? Label it "radical" and you don't have to argue against it. Radical mystics would have you believe their is a god. You can't get more radical than believing in a god. No need to find arguments against their beliefs, just label all theists radical mystics and say they are extremists because only moderate mystics -- you know the ones who believe in leprechauns and unicorns, but not something as ridiculous as omnipotent spirits -- should be respected.

Today radical is a word used to turn off the frontal lobe and to get dumb people to rally behind you. It's tribalism masquerading as debate.

16   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:39pm  

marcus says

Making arguments against some anthropomorphised view of god ?

That's not what Stephen Fry did. It's not what I've done.

Stephen Fry illustrated that a morally upstanding god, regardless of his form, would not engineer a universe with completely pointless suffering like a creature that burrows through a child's eye and eats the eye causing great pain to that child. No plan could possibly require that to happen. Any all-powerful god could easily create a universe in which that particular species of worm did not exist, and nothing else would need to change. It is pointless suffering, and pointless suffering is incompatible with the idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-benevolent god. This has nothing to do with anthropomorphization.

Nor has any of my proofs against the standard monotheistic god.

17   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:46pm  

marcus says

But radical atheists, espousing the exact thing I would have said when I was 15 years old ?

marcus says

If a 7 year old child's view of god or a fundamentalists view of god are the only beliefs in god that one can possibly imagine, then I guess he and the other radical atheists are brilliant.

marcus says

Many of those type atheists are idiots.

Whereas I attack the ideas of theology, you attack the persons who are atheists. I could easily state that anyone who believes in a god is an idiot, but instead I choose to demonstrate why the idea of a god is wrong. You accuse

You keep attacking anyone who makes a rational argument against religion, faith, or the supernatural as if they are childish. Yet your own words are the most childish on this thread and most others. Only a child relies entirely on ad hominem attacks and refuses to address the actual subject matter.

Your posts even seem exactly what a petulant child would write. They have no substance. They are full of elementary school insults. They come off as pretentious and arrogant but with no indication that they are backed up with actual knowledge. Quite frankly, you are being insulting and then hypocritical by accusing others of the very crimes you are committing right now. What's saddest of all is that you actually think this is an effective means of persuasion, and that is truly childish.

18   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 2:48pm  

marcus says

IF Dan isn't in the mood to elaborate

I will always elaborate when someone asks a sincere question. And my posts will always being intellectually honest regardless of how much you personally disagree with them.

19   Strategist   2016 Apr 16, 3:28pm  

Dan8267 says

If god existed, he would be a motherfucking, evil asshole.

May the fleas of a thousand camels land on your buttocks.

20   Dan8267   2016 Apr 16, 3:48pm  

I think you screwed up that quote.

21   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 4:16pm  

Dan8267 says

Yet your own words are the most childish on this thread and most others. Only a child relies entirely on ad hominem attacks and refuses to address the actual subject matter.

If you see only ad hominem, that's you're problem.

marcus says

I have no problem whatsoever with atheists or atheism. But radical atheists, espousing the exact thing I would have said when I was 15 years old ? Making arguments against some anthropomorphised view of god ?

marcus says

If a 7 year old child's view of god or a fundamentalists view of god are the only beliefs in god that one can possibly imagine, then I guess he and the other radical atheists are brilliant. But in my world one has to be truly retarded to think that all the intelligent adults who believes in god, see god in anything close to this way.

marcus says

It's really no different than the stupid straw man arguments you hear in political arguments.

You understand exactly what I'm saying. You understand exactly what I think is stupid about these arguments. And yet you call yourself intellectually honest.

You call this honest ?
Yet your own words are the most childish on this thread and most others. Only a child relies entirely on ad hominem attacks and refuses to address the actual subject matter

Let me guess, addressing the subject matter would be what ? Explaining why I think that omniscient and powerful old white man with a long white beard up in the clouds is willing to let a child have cancer or why this same sky daddy is willing to have all kinds of tragedies, suffering and atrocities occur to humans ?

Really ? I have to engage in that argument, to not be a guy who only engages in ad hominem in this thread ?

22   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 4:24pm  

Dan8267 says

Define "radical atheist"

Atheist: a person who does not believe in god.

Radical atheist: someone who wants to proselytize against believing, , or someone who obsessively wants to take it further than just not believing. They are on a quest to convince others that all religion is evil. And usually based on a straw man position of what belief in god even means.

The radical atheist was well described by Einstein. He chose the word "fanatical" rather than radical.

The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"—cannot hear the music of the spheres.

23   Strategist   2016 Apr 16, 5:10pm  

FortWayne says

Dan as much as you hate god, remember that he will always be there ready to accept and forgive you when you come to your senses finally.

I hate Allah. That piece of non existent crap has done tremendous harm to mankind.

24   Strategist   2016 Apr 16, 5:11pm  

marcus says

Radical atheist: someone who wants to proselytize against believing, , or someone who obsessively wants to take it further than just not believing. They are on a quest to convince others that all religion is evil. And usually based on a straw man position of what belief in god even means.

Sounds just like radical non atheists.

25   missing   2016 Apr 16, 5:50pm  

marcus says

intelligent adults who believes in god

Yeah, intelligent adults, in order to reconcile childhood indoctrination with the real world, can create an absurd abstraction of a god, which in the end is as meaningful as "I believe in something." Are you one of these people?

In any case, Fry was asked a question and he answered it, giving a suitable answer for that specific question.

26   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 5:55pm  

What percentage of the atheists believe there is a spiritual nature to humans?

27   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 6:00pm  

FP says

which in the end is as meaningful as "I believe in something." Are you one of these people?

No, I'm an agnostic.

But I'm totally an atheist if the question is, "do you believe in some sort of all powerful being, who you can think of as being more or less a superhuman, or as a super being who micromanages everything that happens in the universe, including all the good things and all the bad things that every person deals with in their lives.

If that's what god is, of course I'm an atheist. I'm pretty sure that 99.99% of the people that call themselves agnostic are also atheists if that's the definition. But that definition is silly. You'd be hard pressed to find a catholic priest that believes in god by that definition, if they are being honest with you.

Wow, I wonder if anyone saw Dan's videos above and had a life changing break through.

28   missing   2016 Apr 16, 6:06pm  

marcus says

Radical atheist: someone who wants to proselytize against believing, , or someone who obsessively wants to take it further than just not believing. They are on a quest to convince others that all religion is evil. And usually based on a straw man position of what belief in god even means.

Interesting, I have never come across such people. On the other hand, whenever I go to my public library, there's always a guy with a stand with bibles on it, trying to strike a conversation with people. There's another one I often see at my BART station. There are mormons pacing around the neighborhood. I have had Jehova witnesses knocking on my door. A Saudi muslim trying to talk to me about god on a flight to Europe (when I was ~ 20yo). My daughter taken to a religious meeting by her friend's parents, without our knowledge, and told that her "grandfather would not go to heaven if she does not believe in god." We hear all the time public officials in the US professing their religiousness, and commentators in the mass media musing how can there be morality without religion and other such nonsense.

29   missing   2016 Apr 16, 6:10pm  

indigenous says

What percentage of the atheists believe there is a spiritual nature to humans?

define spiritual nature

30   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 6:12pm  

FP says

Interesting, I have never come across such peopl

Oh. Well then let me introduce you to Dan, the OP.

31   HEY YOU   2016 Apr 16, 6:12pm  

~2800 deities worshiped today,which one is Patnet talking about?
Can anyone show the proof of a gods existence?

32   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 6:13pm  

An element that that transcends the objective.

33   missing   2016 Apr 16, 6:16pm  

marcus says

No, I'm an agnostic.

atheist/agnostic - a stupid distinction imho. One either cares about religion/supernatural stuff/magic (call it whatever you want) or one doesn't.marcus says

Wow, I wonder if anyone saw Dan's videos above and had a life changing break through.

That's the problem with childhood indoctrination. It's hard to shake off.

34   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 6:17pm  

FP says

~2800 deities worshiped today,which one is Patnet talking about?

Can anyone show the proof of a gods existence?

"First Way - The Argument From Motion

St. Thomas Aquinas, studying the works of the Greek philosopher Aristotle, concluded from common observation that an object that is in motion (e.g. the planets, a rolling stone) is put in motion by some other object or force. From this, Aquinas believes that ultimately there must have been an UNMOVED MOVER (GOD) who first put things in motion. Follow the argument this way:
Nothing can move itself.
If every object in motion had a mover, then the first object in motion needed a mover.
Movement cannot go on for infinity.
This first mover is the Unmoved Mover, called God.
Aquinas is starting from an a posteriori position. For Aquinas motion includes any kind of change e.g. growth. Aquinas argues that the natural condition is for things to be at rest. Something which is moving is therefore unnatural and must have been put into that state by some external supernatural power."

http://www.scandalon.co.uk/philosophy/cosmological_aquinas.htm

35   missing   2016 Apr 16, 6:18pm  

indigenous says

An element that that transcends the objective.

And by objective I presume you mean measurable?

36   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 6:18pm  

FP says

And by objective I presume you mean measurable?

Yup

37   Strategist   2016 Apr 16, 6:19pm  

indigenous says

This first mover is the Unmoved Mover, called God.

Who or what created God?

38   marcus   2016 Apr 16, 6:20pm  

HEY YOU says

Can anyone show the proof of a gods existence?

Strategist says

Who or what created God?

More profound breakthroughs in the making.

39   missing   2016 Apr 16, 6:22pm  

marcus says

FP says

Interesting, I have never come across such peopl

Oh. Well then let me introduce you to Dan, the OP.

Really, Dan stops strangers on the street, knock on people's houses, to tell them that there's no god?

40   indigenous   2016 Apr 16, 6:24pm  

Strategist says

Who or what created God?

Got me.

What if he already existed, the idea that he would/is be exterior to the universe(s) you cannot speak of him in physical universe terms, as in words. Word too come after actions not before, therefore God by definition cannot be described by words.

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