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Republicans kill seat size regulation in congress


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2016 Apr 22, 11:34am   5,288 views  23 comments

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http://blog.sfgate.com/cmcginnis/2016/04/22/seat-size-regulation-killed-in-congress/

Think airline seats are getting too cramped? Tough. (Photo: Chris McGinnis) Senate Democrats have been trying to push pro-consumer legislation that would rein in what some see as abusive practices by U.S. airlines, but they knew it would be a tough sell in a Republican-dominated Congress and they were right.

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1   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 22, 11:38am  

How will 10 lb bass spin this? Republicans are fighting to make it impossible for him to fly in comfort.

2   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 22, 11:47am  

I would love to hear more serious details of this. I bet it was something that was a rider on the TPP or an Omnibus bill or some crap like that.
Funny thing, there was no fanfare, nor any mention of this bill until it was shot down.
Besides didn't Nancy Pelosi prove that NOBDOY and I mean NOBODY reads any bills in congress?

So unless this was a real concerted effort to champion Airline safety overhaul, then I call bullshit on the whole premise and it was a dye pack placed in a Shitbag bomb bill. That if the Bill went down in flames, the Left could spin it and say the Airline Seats proposal was shot down. That's just bullshit.

Come on Guys I'm not new, we all understand how Washington works. Why do you think we're all down with Donald Trump trying to make America great again?

Donald will throw bills that are cluster fuck of pork and booby traps back in Congresses face and tell them to get serious. And if they give him any lip, Trump will use his NIGHTLY public address, to inform America what those losers in Congress are doing now.

Don't worry kids President Trump will fix the seats. You can't make America great with only 11 inches of ass space.

3   Philistine   2016 Apr 22, 1:00pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Trump will fix the seats.

I thought Trump was a capitalist? Or are you proposing nanny state regulations from on high? If you want more comfortable seats, quit paying for plane tickets until the airlines capitulate. Or pay *more* and get a business class/first class seat. In capitalism, you vote with your dollars. As always, it's the populace that can't get their shit together. We truly do have the government AND the plane seats we deserve.

4   anonymous   2016 Apr 22, 1:19pm  

Can you please stop challenging and just let me whine in peace

5   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 22, 4:37pm  

Philistine says

I thought Trump was a capitalist?

Yes he is, but you got to have safety first. Those airline rows are a deathtrap. And you remember that I said this here on this day.
If something isn't done and done soon. With in the next five to ten years as these narrow Airbus' start to age and get 15 to 20 years on them.
And there's an electrical fire on a plane one day on the runway.Those rows are so narrow, more than half will die of smoke inhalation even if the get the fire out before it engulfs the plane.
It used to be someone could be in the isle getting a bag out from the over head bin, and you could still get by the person. When people used to get off the plane, we didn't have to wait 20 minutes if you're in the back, because only one person per row at a time could exit their seats and the plane. There's going to be collisions that should have been survivable but the seats broke lose from floor, then accordion to the front of the plane in a tangled mess of seats. Ever see a crash test of these narrow airliners? Me either! Boeing and Lockhead used to show clips of the planes all the time. And assured the flying public that if they survived the crash, their cabin seats would pretty much be intact.

6   FortWayne   2016 Apr 22, 4:43pm  

Good. This isn't a necessary regulation.

7   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 22, 5:01pm  

When I was a kid there a jet that crashed in a corn field on take off. It caught fire, and everyone walked out of the plane before it totally engulfed in flames. Today I think everyone would have died, exept for first class and the cabin crew.

There was plane crash in a frozen river even before that, way back when and many survivors were able to get out before the plane sank.

If you fly these days. When you are sitting down, look around you and ask your self how would you fair in those scenarios today?

8   GNL   2016 Apr 22, 5:22pm  

Philistine, of course, is correct. There really is no other way to fight back.

9   Strategist   2016 Apr 22, 5:48pm  

Philistine says

I thought Trump was a capitalist? Or are you proposing nanny state regulations from on high? If you want more comfortable seats, quit paying for plane tickets until the airlines capitulate. Or pay *more* and get a business class/first class seat. In capitalism, you vote with your dollars. As always, it's the populace that can't get their shit together. We truly do have the government AND the plane seats we deserve.

Everyone wants a freebie. What people don't realize is mandating larger seats mean less seats in the same airplane. They will make up with higher fares for everyone.
I would pick lower fares.

11   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Apr 23, 12:09am  

It is a health issue - deep vein thrombosis.

Also, the airlines are highly subsidized, not least the singular tax break they get on avgas where they pay a fraction of what everybody else pays, including taxis, truckers, etc. as well as traveling business people. So they gotta let us wet our beak/sit our ass down a little.

12   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 23, 5:34am  

I agree with the Republicans on this. Planes are still very safe. Mixed seat sizes allow airlines to offer seat space based on different price points. Cheap or small people get cheaper prices, and large people or bigger spenders can get their space. Fat cheap skates will be bitter and make their neighbors uncomfortable. Oh well.

13   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 23, 7:08am  

Strategist says

Everyone wants a freebie. What people don't realize is mandating larger seats mean less seats in the same airplane. They will make up with higher fares for everyone.

I would pick lower fares.

Fares were always high, they made them dirt cheap like $89 from coast to coast during their stupid airline wars.
Flying was a rich mans game until the 90's. $300 from Miami to Jacksonville FL would have been considered normal in the 80's. $800 to fly to California.

We shouldn't put saftey last over cheap unconfortable seats.

14   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 23, 7:18am  

Tenpoundbass says

We shouldn't put saftey last over cheap unconfortable seats.

If you were willing to pay more for safety and comfort, you could simply buy first class or business class. Business class is a modest bump in price. You get a seat near the exit with plenty of room. What kind of communist utopia would have the government dictate seat size to prevent smaller or poorer people from buying a cheaper seat farther back?

15   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 23, 7:58am  

Ironman says

The solution is just to charge the passengers by their weight. You want a cheap seat, lose some weight and put down the Big Mac.

Plane costs are based on weight and volume. The biggest factor is volume. A 747 weights 400,000 lbs empty and carries about 400 people. Assuming 200 lbs per person, you get 80,000 lbs. If everyone was 100 lbs, it would be 40,000 lbs. If everyone was 300 lbs, it would be 120,000 lbs. So, the biggest factor in how much weight someone is responsible for (plane weight plus personal weight) is the volume they want to consume. Let them pay by volume. McDs doesn't charge fat people more for a hamburger. They just sell them more hamburgers. As much as you would like to humiliate people with a weigh in station at the kiosk, it's not going to happen.

16   FortWayne   2016 Apr 23, 8:23am  

Tenpoundbass says

Fares were always high, they made them dirt cheap like $89 from coast to coast during their stupid airline wars.

Flying was a rich mans game until the 90's. $300 from Miami to Jacksonville FL would have been considered normal in the 80's. $800 to fly to California.

We shouldn't put saftey last over cheap unconfortable seats.

They all bought each other so many times since then. Sure feels like there are about 2 airlines with 10 brands under them.

17   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 23, 8:50am  

YesYNot says

If you were willing to pay more for safety and comfort, you could simply buy first class or business class.

You do realize the more seats the lighter they have to make those seats?
What else are the airlines skimping on?

You guys are fools for a penny.

18   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 23, 9:18am  

They make planes as light as possible regardless of # of seats. Planes are now made of carbon fiber. More seats per plane is lighter per passenger even if the seats are the same weight.

19   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Apr 23, 10:06am  

Ironman says

So, based on your assertion, they should charge based on VOLUME not WEIGHT..

Not volume of the person, but volume of the plane space that they buy. The plane is designed with seats that take up different amounts of space. The smaller ones are cheaper. If the passenger buys those, they are buying less volume. The number of people that the plane can take is a function of volume, not weight. I would have spelled this out earlier, but I didn't think anyone would be so mentally handicapped that they would not understand the details. In your case, I'm not sure if it is stupidity or an intentional mis-reading, so that you can make ridiculous assertions about my intelligence. It's quite clear who the dummy is.

Perhaps you should stuff the feathers and lead up your ass and answer a relevant question. If you put 200 200 lb passengers on a plane with big seats, what is the loaded weight of the plane? What is the weight per passenger. Now, if you take the same plane and put 400 200lb passengers on the plane with smaller seats, what is the loaded weight of the plane? What is the loaded weight per passenger? Now, take the same plane, and put 200 400 lb passengers on it. Calculate the loaded weight per person. Tell us what you find out about the relative impact of passenger weight and seat size.

20   bob2356   2016 Apr 23, 4:37pm  

Tenpoundbass says



It used to be someone could be in the isle getting a bag out from the over head bin, and you could still get by the person.

When did it used to be? Isle width is 15 inches from floor to 25 inches and 20 inches above 24 inches. That as per Sec. 25.815 which was passed in 1967. Some are a little wider but that is the minimum and most airliners are pretty close to that. Nice babbling though.

21   Strategist   2016 Apr 23, 5:37pm  

Tenpoundbass says

We shouldn't put saftey last over cheap unconfortable seats.

No doubt safety must come first, but how do the smaller seats make us less safe?

22   Dan8267   2016 Apr 23, 8:00pm  

The mostly republicans politicians who voted against this should be forced to sit in the same airline seats in the same proximity to their neighbors while in Congress. Airplanes have become disease pits where sweaty people get their bodily fluids on everyone else.

23   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2016 Apr 24, 7:36am  

bob2356 says

Isle width is 15 inches

Now you're just making shit up.

just because that's the regulation minimum width on planes with less than 100 passengers, that is not the actual width on airlines I was speaking of in the past, when I could get past people digging in the overhead bins.

The A321’s two large premium cabins leave coach seats looking like an afterthought, especially standard-legroom coach seats since half the rows in coach have extra legroom for a fee. Another difference is hardly noticeable until you try to wheel your bag down the aisle: Aisles in coach were 19 inches wide in the previous widebody Boeing 767-200 jets; in the A321, they are only 18 inches wide.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-airlines-shift-to-smaller-jets-for-many-domestic-flights-1429119094

They were wide on most smaller domestic flights as well. I know for a fact the JetBlue Airbuses they first came out with the rows were at least that wide.

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