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Der durt der... der... der...
(bromp de bomp be bomp de bomp)
Der durt der... der... der...
Dah dut tah duh.
Nuh nuh nu-nuninunitnuh Trump!
Nuh nuh nu-nuninunitnuh Trump!
Dah dut tah duh.
Trump!

Not possible, since according to you guys, Obama already took all of our guns away.

Quigley says

Trump will appoint conservative judges. Hillary would appoint activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights especially the 2nd Ammendment.

Loose screws ? This is insanity, and will only be bought by other dimbulbs already living deep deep deep inside the right wing bubble.

Corporations are people ? That's the very definition of activist judges. That should not have happened. Of course being the authoritarian you are, and wanting the corporotocracy to own the government, I get where you're coming from. But it's idiotic.

You've got it backwards. On the bright side, I actually think it's possible that Trump would not appoint the same type of extreme right wing activist judges that Rubio or Cruz would have had to nominate to please their corporate sponsors.

But yeah, it's one more big reason why Hillary has my vote over Trump. Remember, that once it's clear Hilary will win, the're going to confirm Obama's current nominee for scotus. Hell, they might even do that if it looks like Trump will win, just to be on the safe side.

marcus says

Remember, that once it's clear Hilary will win, the're going to confirm Obama's current nominee for scotus.

You are right. I hope that in that case Obama withdraws Garland's nomination and either him or Hillary nominate an ultra-liberal in his place. That would teach the obstructionists in the Senate a lesson.

Quigley says

Hillary would appoint activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights especially the 2nd Ammendment.

Why aren't the gun wack jobs ever concerned about activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights in the other amendments. The supreme court supporting police stops with no reason, confiscation of property, repression of free speech police state type of decisions the gun nuts cheer for as "law and order". They want arms to resist the police state they encouraged and voted for. Talk about confused.

Funny... even if the gov were to try to "take away our guns" - I don't know a single gun owner who would actually give them up.

When i lived in CA, I only knew of a handful of people that actually owned a firearm. Since moving to Georgia, I don't know a single person who doesn't own a firearm.

So Quigley has been reduced to desperate lies to back Trump ? What's up with that ?

You guys are getting a lot of mileage out of the 'there going to take our guns' meme. Do you think your grandchildren will be saying the same thing?

I think guns will be illegal one day, or all guns will have to be smart guns and only certain people can have them.
But then more people than now will own guns with the serial numbers filled off, that they got from the back of a car in over town.
There will be more guns than books in Ameirca when guns get outlawed.

joshuatrio says

Funny... even if the gov were to try to "take away our guns" - I don't know a single gun owner who would actually give them up.

When i lived in CA, I only knew of a handful of people that actually owned a firearm. Since moving to Georgia, I don't know a single person who doesn't own a firearm.

That must have been your social circle in CA. Because I live in CA, and I know only very few who do not own guns.

Where in the 2nd Amendment does it list locations where guns are prohibited?
Where does it say one has to have a piece of paper to carry a gun,concealed?
Where does it say that one is restricted to the the type of firearm?

Why do Rep/Con/Teas allow these infringements?

Obama! Get the gun out of the hands of these traitors to the 2nd Amendment.
They are the perfect example of why gun control is needed.
They will probably shoot holes in the Constitution,next.

When democrats have control, the republican conspiracy theories run rampant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/08/why-so-many-americans-think-the-government-wants-their-guns/

Tenpoundbass says

There will be more guns than books in Ameirca when guns get outlawed.

If Trump is elected and all of his supporters start burning books in celebration, this might come sooner than you think. What an enlightened society. Yay.

Not reading the article because fuck breitbart, but I assume this is a reference to DC vs Heller which, overturning several previous precedents on what types of gun control are allowed. Seeing as that was a 5-4 decision and Scalia was in the majority, it's likely that a Clinton appointee would have ruled differently. It's quite an exaggeration to say that this would do away with the 2nd amendment; if that were true it would mean that we've only had the second amendment from 2008 on which is just ridiculous.

FortWayne says

Because I live in CA, and I know only very few who do not own guns.

A teacher at my kids elementary school in S.F. asked the kids "how many of your parents have a gun at home" in an effort to teach the kids about gun safety ... 7 in 10 said 'Yes'.

HEY YOU says

Where in the 2nd Amendment does it list locations where guns are prohibited?

Where does it say one has to have a piece of paper to carry a gun,concealed?

Where does it say that one is restricted to the the type of firearm?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Cons always conveniently ignore those two words.

There will be three or four justice appointments during the next POTUS tenure. Their choices will literally shape the SCOTUS for decades.
The concealed carry decision that allowed anyone without a felony to apply for and receive a permit has been overturned by an appeals court which ruled that people did not have a constitutional right to have guns outside their homes. The makeup of the SCOTUS will soon decide if this decision stands or falls, if the rights of gun owners wax or wither. And if the decision is allowed to stand, expect other challenges to the 2nd Ammendment to be swiftly forthcoming from the Left, eager to use the newly liberal Supreme Court to further their anti-gun agenda.

Good thing we're told repeatedly that Trump is all about fixing bad trade agreements and the economic troubles of the middle class.

Because otherwise one might suspect that Trump is running on the same old divisive bait and switch issues (guns, abortion, dirty crimigrants) used by the GOP establishment to fleece the rubes for almost 40 years.

Kick that football into the next county, Charlie Brown! Lucy won't pull it away this time!

If you rely on anyone besides yourself and your neighbors to keep your guns, you will lose them.

Quigley says

There will be three or four justice appointments during the next POTUS tenure. Their choices will literally shape the SCOTUS for decades.

This is the most meaningful difference between between establishment Reps and Dems (Trump is an [unfiltered] establishment Rep).

Quigley says

expect other challenges to the 2nd Ammendment to be swiftly forthcoming from the Left

This was typed immediately after a post quoted verbatum from the Ammendment itself: "Well regulated". What is it about the Ammendment, as written by its authors, that is so objectionable to the OP?

bob2356 says

Why aren't the gun wack jobs ever concerned about activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights in the other amendments. The supreme court supporting police stops with no reason, confiscation of property, repression of free speech police state type of decisions the gun nuts cheer for as "law and order". They want arms to resist the police state they encouraged and voted for.

By voting for Trump's list of SCOTUS noms which will perpetuate the ability of money to buy government and allow the state to confiscate, repress, and surveil, it will increase the need to bear arms.

bob2356 says

Talk about confused.

Thank you.

Ironman says

A well regulated militia

Regulated = Drilled. In other words, to have a trained militia to drill with arms, they have to have arms to drill with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulations_for_the_Order_and_Discipline_of_the_Troops_of_the_United_States

bob2356 says

Why aren't the gun wack jobs ever concerned about activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights in the other

Because as your hero Chairman Mao once said, "All power grows from the barrel of a gun."

Lose that right, all the rest will shortly follow.

Actually it's not just gun control, it's also the protection of what's left of free speech which will depend on the election of Trump. Hillary will continue down the cultural-marxist path Obummer has taken until you won't recognize free speech anymore and instead everything you say could be labeled as discriminatory / hate speech. You don't have to like Trump, you can even hate his guts, but if you don't vote for him you're voting against freedom and liberty. All this will be coming very soon to a bathroom near you!

thunderlips11 says

Regulated = Drilled.

From Late Latin rēgulāre to control.

Quigley says

bob2356 says

Why aren't the gun wack jobs ever concerned about activist judges hostile to our constitutional rights in the other

Because as your hero Chairman Mao once said, "All power grows from the barrel of a gun."

Lose that right, all the rest will shortly follow.

Sure, right. The rights of America depend on concealed carry. All the gun nuts are going to stand up to the military and defend our rights with concealed pistols. Idiot.

The facts are that the gun lobby and the second amendment "defenders" are the biggest supporters of stripping people of their civil rights in the name of law and order/national security. Don't let facts confuse you.

bob2356 says

Idiot.

Let's just agree that you don't understand much.

Yeah, Vietnam, Iraqi Insurgency, Afghanistan, NW Frontier Province of Afghanistan, ISIS etc. etc.

Drone Strikes are good at killing entire families because the suspect loaned his SIM card with extra minutes to his cousin, who went to HIS cousin's wedding. That's the problem with SIGINT and ELINT.

ISIS is greatly weakened by Sukhoi strikes directly on the oil, something the US did once in a year of bombing, predicated by tons of leaflets in advance warning the bad guys.

But ejecting ISIS from control has been the job of the Syrian Army and Hezbollah, ground forces backed by Russian CAS.

If you have an ion beam emitter that does not create any "fire" does that fall under the "firearm" category?
HEY YOU says

Where does it say that one is restricted to the the type of firearm?

They shit on schedule
Ironman says

finehoe says

A well regulated militia

So Einstein, define that statement for us.

Quigley says

bob2356 says

Idiot.

Let's just agree that you don't understand much.

Enlighten me. It is easier to buy, own, and carry a gun than any time in the last 100 years. Yet the big bad boogeyman "obama is going to take away your guns" is the only thing most gun owners believe in.

I was actually an NRA member back when (early 70's) the NRA represented gun owners instead of gun manufacturers. Did you know the NRA lobbied for gun control laws starting in the 1920's. Did you know the NRA actually supported and helped set up the Gun Control Act of 1968 which licensed gun dealers and put restrictions on classes of firearms. That the NRA of gun owners, like me at the time, believed in people showing they were responsible people deserving to be gun owners before being able to buy a gun? Apparently not.

The NRA since the takeover of haron carter, a vigilante shooter like zimmernan who changed his name to hide it, has been nothing but a lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers and dealers who lobby bitterly against any law that will restrict unlimited gun advertising or sales. In order to do that they have created an entire new meaning for the second amendment. Its' sad how many people like you are dupes honestly believing the very carefully planned propaganda campaign about the second amendment put out by for the gun industry to make huge profits at the expense of the entire society.

The NRA’s fabricated view of the Second Amendment was ridiculed by former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger—a very conservative judge appointed by President Richard Nixon—in a PBS Newshour interview in 1991, where he called it “one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word ‘fraud’—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

I have no problem with gun ownership. I used to be a fair target shooter and hunter but lost interest. I have no problem with people being licensed to be owners. I really have no problem with having all guns tracked, so that it's much more difficult running guns state to state for the criminals. If should be that if you sell your gun, you are responsible for getting real ID and reporting who it went to, even as a private citizen. But that kind of law would cut into gun industry profits and results in NRA hysteria.

So comrade quigley, keep up the propaganda fight, you are making some people very happy and very rich with your unpaid devotion to their cause.

joshuatrio says

Georgia, I don't know a single person who doesn't own a firearm.

When I moved to Georgia, I remember looking at houses to buy that had built in gun cabinets.

marcus says

This is what it looks like when Quigley campaigns for Trump. Give the guy some credit. IT's not that easy to find an angle that might work.

Quigley has argued that progressives, gays, the rich, the poor, the middle class, the elderly, the young, the middle-aged, all races and creeds, pro- and anti-abortion people, atheists and, maybe soon, even Muslims, ISIS and illegal aliens should support Trump.

What can I say? It makes sense for sensible people of nearly every persuasion to support Trump over the ubiquitously corrupt Clinton bitch. Even Muslims should support Trump if they aren't jihadis, as Trump will make America safe for peaceful Muslims who abhor the violent dictates of radical Islam. After all, if you are a Muslim who wishes to join in with American society, you don't want your crazy Townies from bumfuckistan coming here and stirring up the locals against you with asshole shootings and bombings in Allah's name!

bob2356 says

I was actually an NRA member back when (early 70's) the NRA represented gun owners instead of gun manufacturers. Did you know the NRA lobbied for gun control laws starting in the 1920's. Did you know the NRA actually supported and helped set up the Gun Control Act of 1968 which licensed gun dealers and put restrictions on classes of firearms. That the NRA of gun owners, like me at the time, believed in people showing they were responsible people deserving to be gun owners before being able to buy a gun? Apparently not.

The NRA since the takeover of haron carter, a vigilante shooter like zimmernan who changed his name to hide it, has been nothing but a lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers and dealers who lobby bitterly against any law that will restrict unlimited gun advertising or sales. In order to do that they have created an entire new meaning for the second amendment. Its' sad how many people like you are dupes honestly believing the very carefully planned propaganda campaign about the second amendment put out by for the gun industry to make huge profits at the expense of the entire society.

The NRA’s fabricated view of the Second Amendment was ridiculed by former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger—a very conservative judge appointed by President Richard Nixon—in a PBS Newshour interview in 1991, where he called it “one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word ‘fraud’—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

Bob, you should start a thread with this post so it does not get lost. I own a gun myself, and you summarized my stance on the issue clearly.

1) Iraq was one of the most heavily armed Nations per capita in the world, and that prevented neither tyranny under Saddam nor the US invasion and subsequent occupation.
2) We later gathered their guns and outlawed the buying and selling of guns in Iraq, because the gangs, thugs and ne'er-do-wells were killing citizens, and posed a danger to coalition troops. It would seem as though we didn't believe that more guns would make citizens, law enforcement or the military safer.

CL says

1) Iraq was one of the most heavily armed Nations per capita in the world, and that prevented neither tyranny under Saddam nor the US invasion and subsequent occupation.

2) We later gathered their guns and outlawed the buying and selling of guns in Iraq, because the gangs, thugs and ne'er-do-wells were killing citizens, and posed a danger to coalition troops. It would seem as though we didn't believe that more guns would make citizens, law enforcement or the military safer.

You also have the exact opposite as examples, heavily armed nations or states where there is no gun "problem". You can have a perfectly "safe" country where citizens are all disarmed but the government can reign in terror with its armed forces, plenty of examples of that too. I think looking at guns for the overall safety of a nation is not useful, they were not meant to keep a nation safe or safer, but to give weaker and poorer individuals the right of self-defense and - per constitution - to protect against the tyranny of government. I would say that a nation armed to the teeth is as imbalanced as a nation without guns (knifes make excellent arms too), of course one can question whether the US has already too many guns - but I don't think though that this will address the root of the issues, it would be more like addressing the symptoms (which sometimes can be necessary as well).

tr6 says

Bob, you should start a thread with this post so it does not get lost. I own a gun myself, and you summarized my stance on the issue clearly.

Why bother? The NRA/gun manufacturers brainwashing propaganda is to pervasive that pretty much every gun owner today believes the second amendment means unlimited gun ownership and manufacturing with no restrictions of any kind. Pandora's box has been opened and the law of unintended consequences is in full swing. The cycle of violence is only going to grow and grow.

mell says

knifes make excellent arms too

I've heard this before, but have there been any examples of knives protecting against the "tyranny" of a Government with advanced weaponry? Or at all?

Knives cannot kill 50 people in an outing since you need to be so close. It would seem as though technology has allowed any disgruntled or religiously conflicted latent homosexual to go on a pogrom, and be more successful than ever before in history.

bob2356 says

The NRA/gun manufacturers brainwashing propaganda is to pervasive

They don't have to work that hard to fleece the generic Trump voter, who believes climate research is an elaborate hoax ("hurrr, durr ... drool ... durr").

Paddle faster - I hear banjos.

CL says

I've heard this before, but have there been any examples of knives protecting against the "tyranny" of a Government with advanced weaponry? Or at all?

A knife is about as effective as the rifle at this point in what a group of civilian marksman would face. A motivated US tyrannical army/government wins without much of a fight. It looks like this:

www.youtube.com/embed/YDvugsSjI6s

That enemy will not be beaten by force of arms. (where "that enemy" refers to said tyrannical gov.)

Rew says

A knife is about as effective as the rifle at this point in what a group of civilian marksman would face. A motivated US tyrannical army/government wins without much of a fight.

But quigly said we need concealed carry to protect our rights. It isn't true? We aren't going to have an army of people pulling out their concealed carry pistols and blowing away tanks, jet bombers, cruise missiles, drones, and heavy artillery?