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Timothy Mcveigh = 168.

So good old "keep america white" is still a bigger threat, 20 years on.

blurtfuckface, keep trying.

Was McVeigh affiliated with a larger group? Just a few clueless acquaintances who got jail time, but a lone wolf, no? But if you are describing an additional right wing fanatic war on the USA, that would be interesting.

Blurtman says

Was McVeigh affiliated with a larger group? Just a few clueless acquaintances who got jail time, but a lone wolf, no?

Don't hurt your back bending over backward to excuse right-wing militia types.

McVeigh was following an extreme right-wing ideology, same as this asshole in Orlando was parroting extremist ISIS babble.

It's possible the Orlando asshole acted without command or coordination. Is that necessarily better or worse? Seems to me that the bodies rot the same either way.

Yeah but around the time of McVeigh you had a willing DOJ willing to take down Cultic threats. Careshian, Muslims or otherwise.

I don't think David Caresh would have caught any flack today. If that whole episode was going down today. He wouldn't even be only anybodies radar.

OK, so there is a radical Islamist war and a right wing extremist war underway in America.

Except Muslims are not even 1% of the population, and Whites are at least 65%+.

To balance out proportionally, Right-wing terrorists would have to kill many times as many people.

With all the shootings listed in the thread,the 2nd Amendment is alive & well.
The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed!
The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed!
The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed!

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

Timothy Mcveigh = 168

thunderlips11 says

To balance out proportionally, Right-wing terrorists would have to kill many times as many people.

thunderlips11 says

Except Muslims are not even 1% of the population, and Whites are at least 65%+

anonymous says

Seddique (perp's father) told NBC News "this has nothing to do with religion."

Of course not. Modern Islam embraces homosexuality as one of the diverse expressions of the beautiful human experience.

anonymous says

A man has been arrested after he was found with weapons and possible explosives on his way to the L.A. gay pride parade, according to a report.

How can Democrats pander to muslims, most of whom, while not violent, are anti-gay and gays at the same time?

Tenpoundbass says

Yeah but around the time of McVeigh you had a willing DOJ willing to take down Cultic threats. Careshian, Muslims or otherwise.

Yeah, until the right wing had a sad about enforcing laws against religious extremists who fuck 10-year-old girls.

Now the government apologizes to Bundy types for a few years, letting them terrorize their neighbors and local businesses before quietly arresting them a few years later (over the objections of many on this site).

HydroCabron says

Yeah, until the right wing had a sad about enforcing laws against religious extremists who fuck 10-year-old girls.

Oh, Koresh was convicted of this?

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MMR says

How can Democrats pander to muslims, most of whom, while not violent, are anti-gay and gays at the same time?

They both have a hatred of traditional, Judeo-Christian observant America.

Obozo calls for gun control and does not talk about radical islam??

lostand confused says

radical islam??

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/12/terrorist-omar-mateen-gay-nightclub-murder/

P N Dr Lo R says

MMR says

How can Democrats pander to muslims, most of whom, while not violent, are anti-gay and gays at the same time?

They both have a hatred of traditional, Judeo-Christian observant America.

that does seem like a possible explanation.

In any Muslim country, an openly gay Muslim is a dead Muslim.

I want to see Trans activists and Rape Culture Advocates and Slut Walkers do it in Riyadh or Doha, Cairo or Karachi That's bravery.

Marching in LA, Toronto, Sydney, and London isn't. It's just group membership demonstration.

I'm not sure I understand the connection between ISIS bringing terror to America and Timothy McVeigh. Does the fact that a Timothy exists in this country mean that we should be okay with importing to our country radical Islamists who want us all dead? Does Timothy's existence somehow excuse the behavior of terrorists? It's kind of like excusing an individual for cheating on his/her income taxes by saying, "Enron." It's all bad. I think it's very disrespectful to the people who lost their lives to say that their deaths are insignificant because in another building in Oklahoma more people died at the hands of a homegrown freak.

turtledove says

I'm not sure I understand the connection between ISIS bringing terror to America and Timothy McVeigh

Well they have to stretch for some explanation, any explanation, when uncomfortable facts hit them smack in the face.

P N Dr Lo R says

Well they have to stretch for some explanation, any explanation, when uncomfortable facts hit them smack in the face.

or they are just desperately lonely and miserable, self-loathing and need something to latch to.

turtledove says

'm not sure I understand the connection between ISIS bringing terror to America and Timothy McVeigh. Does the fact that a Timothy exists in this country mean that we should be okay with importing to our country radical Islamists who want us all dead? Does Timothy's existence somehow excuse the behavior of terrorists? It's kind of like excusing an individual for cheating on his/her income taxes by saying, "Enron." It's all bad. I think it's very disrespectful to the people who lost their lives to say that their deaths are insignificant because in another building in Oklahoma more people died at the hands of a homegrown freak.

that is because you are very stupid, but I'll type this slowly so you might possibly understand:

1. There are 1.6 Billion, not million, but billion muslims on this planet. Some of them are evil. Judging the entire religion by the acts of a few evil practioners doesn't make sense.
2. There are 2.2 Billion christians on this planet. Some of them are evil too. You don't judge all of the christians based on the few evil practioners and shouldn't in the prior case.

"importing to our country radical islam..." The guy wasn't imported. He's from here. So wrong again.

"I think it's very disrespectful to the people who lost their lives to say that their deaths are insignificant because in another building in Oklahoma more people died at the hands of a homegrown freak." nobody said that. SO don't make shit up that isn't being said, and argue against it. that is called a Strawman fallacy.

The disrespect is to use their deaths, deaths in a marginalized discriminated group of gay people, as a basis for bigotry and demeaning yet another marginalized and discriminated group, muslms in America.

As a practical point of view, generalizing blame to all muslims makes for excellent recruitment of more terrorists. SO, if you and the other dumbasses on here actually win, and make this more about islam and less about political terrorism, you will get more attacks.

I'm an athiest, I think both religions are equally full of shit, and equally bad in the long haul. Today, islam is slightly worse, but of course christianity has had its beautiful periods like the inquisition and holy wars, so its a toss up in historical perspective.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

As a practical point of view, generalizing blame to all muslims makes for excellent recruitment of more terrorists. SO, if you and the other dumbasses on here actually win, and make this more about islam and less about political terrorism, you will get more attacks.

are you threatening us, roberta?

The Boston Bombing was all about Pressure Cookers.

Just like the Symbonese Liberation Army had nothing to do with the Revolution. Just misguided young people with easy access to guns.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

"importing to our country radical islam..." The guy wasn't imported. He's from here. So wrong again.

The ideas are, in fact, imported.

It's time to amend the USA Patriot Act to remove one more Constitutional provision: the Second Amendment.

If fighting terrorism justifies all the other freedoms we lost over the past 16 years, then gun possession should go as well. If not, the Patriot Act should be repealed. These mass shootings are just as much acts of terrorism as hijacking a plane or planting a bomb in a foot race. It is utter hypocrisy to force Americans to give up so many freedoms except gun ownership. We should either get back all our liberties or forgo this one.

And for those who say the aftermath of a mass shooting is no time to talk about gun control, such words are mute since you didn't bother saying that about the Patriot Act after 9/11.

Another lesson to learn from this and all other terrorist acts is that religion is utterly incompatible with liberty and democracy. It's time to remove all religious protections and privileges from western society and requiring all religions to pay taxes including back taxes for 200 years. Every cent we spend on protecting ourselves from terrorism is a cost imposed on us by religion.

turtledove says

The ideas are, in fact, imported.

Yep.

It's well known that 2nd Gen immigrants are often more radicalized than the first. They look for identity, and modern Multi Kult encourages that instead of integration.

The solution is to stop the first generation immigration.

thunderlips11 says

Looks like the Huffington post has an answer to your dilemma.
U.S. Official: No Evidence Of Direct Islamic State Link To Orlando Shooting

Islamic State claimed responsibility on Sunday for the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, but U.S. officials said they had seen no immediate evidence linking the militant group to the massacre in Orlando, Florida.

So even if a terrorist organization claims responsibility within hours of an attack, that's not immediate evidence. Um, exactly what would constitute immediate evidence? No matter what evidence is spewed on a crime scene the police are going to take days to process it.

It seems like the Huffington's post strategy is a page out of Fox News' playbook. Just deny, deny, deny and spread FUD as long as you can and hope people get tired and forget before accepting that man-made climate change Islamic terrorism is a real danger and occurring right now.

anonymous says

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

As a practical point of view, generalizing blame to all muslims makes for excellent recruitment of more terrorists

One can blame religion itself for creating irrational and destructive behavior without blaming all members of a religion for the actions of a few hundred million.

Hell, one can strongly advocate anti-murder laws and policies that discourage murder, like gun control and video surveillance, while acknowledging that the vast majority of individuals never commit murder. Stopping an evil isn't the same thing as blaming people. So the argument that taking action to stop religion from brainwashing people is an attack on religious people is utter bullshit.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

"I think it's very disrespectful to the people who lost their lives to say that their deaths are insignificant because in another building in Oklahoma more people died at the hands of a homegrown freak." nobody said that. SO don't make shit up that isn't being said, and argue against it. that is called a Strawman fallacy.

So when you wrote:

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

Timothy Mcveigh = 168.

So good old "keep america white" is still a bigger threat, 20 years on.

blurtfuckface, keep trying.

So what exactly were you trying to say? Cuz it sure sounds like you are saying that the attack in Orlando doesn't matter because Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people at some other point in time.

Don't worry Roberta, we all know exactly what you meant.... and no one is really surprised by your predictable dribble followed by your faux superiority through playground-type name calling. You should change your MO and maybe confuse everyone next time.

Dan8267 says

It's time to amend the USA Patriot Act to remove one more Constitutional provision: the Second Amendment.

If fighting terrorism justifies all the other freedoms we lost over the past 16 years, then gun possession should go as well. If not, the Patriot Act should be repealed. These mass shootings are just as much acts of terrorism as hijacking a plane or planting a bomb in a foot race. It is utter hypocrisy to force Americans to give up so many freedoms except gun ownership. We should either get back all our liberties or forgo this one.

And for those who say the aftermath of a mass shooting is no time to talk about gun control, such words are mute since you didn't bother saying that about the Patriot Act after 9/11.

That has nothing to do with gun control. It's time to restore civil liberties to US citizens and put a temporary hold on immigration from problematic cultures and religions and screen immigrants as tough as necessary for as long as necessary until giving them citizenship status - that includes revoking the right to citizenship just because you have been born on US soil. It also includes a one-way ticket back for any immigrant who disrespects the nation that gave them economic or political shelter. You burn the flag and shout fuck America? Time to go back home, buddy.

Dan8267 says

Another lesson to learn from this and all other terrorist acts is that religion is utterly incompatible with liberty and democracy. It's time to remove all religious protections and privileges from western society and requiring all religions to pay taxes including back taxes for 200 years. Every cent we spend on protecting ourselves from terrorism is a cost imposed on us by religion.

You can hate religion all you want, atheists. communists and cultural marxists have committed as much if not more crimes in recent history. It's about ideas and they can be rooted in political/cultural movements or religion. It really doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that you constantly keep adapting and changing your approach to immigration with regards to world events and that you heavily favor those who are least likely to turn against your country's liberties and traditions and instead are most likely to adopt them. And, as mentioned many times, a complete ban for certain nations or religions is entirely constitutional.

mell says

That has nothing to do with gun control

Mass shootings have nothing to do with gun control? Then I suppose that centrifuges have nothing to do with nuclear proliferation.

If I have to be stripped searched with x-rays every time I board a plane, you don't get to have a gun. My right to keep my privates private is more fundamental than your right to have a firearm. If I have to give up rights to keep America safe, so you do. Until gun advocates stand up for every other amendment including the First and Fifth, I'm not standing up for the Second.

If the freedom to communicate with other people without being spied on by the government is intolerable because terrorists may talk to each other, then the freedom to possess a gun is intolerable because terrorists may shoot people. You don't get it both ways. Pick a lane already.

mell says

You can hate religion all you want, atheists. communists and cultural marxists have committed as much if not more crimes in recent history.

Utter bullshit. First off, it would be far more reasonable to lump the religious in with pedophiles than to lump atheists with communists and Marxists. After all, vast numbers of Christian and Muslim clerics have sexually abused young children and covered up for others who did.

Second, religion itself, regardless of what arbitrary mythology it espouses, is worthy of opposition and ridicule. To promote delusions and irrational behavior is inherently bad regardless of what particular delusions are being advocated.

Third, atheists commit far fewer murders, rapes, and other violent crimes per capita than religious people. This has been proven time and time again.

Fourth, see Tom Selleck and Charlie Chaplin are the most dangerous despots ever. Keep repeating the debunk lie that atheists are responsible for genocide, and I'll keep making you look stupid for doing so.

To argue that Stalin was evil because he was an atheist makes as much sense as arguing that Stalin and Hitler were evil because they both had mustaches. Gee, I guess Charlie Chaplin and Tom Selleck must also be evil bastards.

You can tell he's evil by the mustache.

However, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Crusades, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, the murder of Hypatia, the burning of homosexuals at the stake, the genocide of Native Americans, slavery, and countless other evils throughout history are directly and intrinsically motivated by religion. That's the difference.

This principle is demonstrated once again by the Orlando mass murder of LGBTs by a Muslim that was unequivocally motivated entirely by religion. No atheist or even Marxist is shooting people on the streets to advocate his beliefs. Your argument is simply a bold face lie.

turtledove says

I think it's very disrespectful to the people who lost their lives to say that their deaths are insignificant because in another building in Oklahoma more people died at the hands of a homegrown freak.

Do you also think it's disrespectful to total up the Islamic fanatic body count, as in the post that started this thread?

Or is it only disrespectful when liberals look at the numbers?

I doubt that conservatives are inherently more respectful of the dead, at least to the point that when they run the numbers it's respectful.

Dan8267 says

Mass shootings have nothing to do with gun control? Then I suppose that centrifuges have nothing to do with nuclear proliferation.

It's close to impossible to completely outlaw guns and those that remain will be in the wrong hands. The high numbers of shooting deaths are not due to accidents or spontaneous arguments but due to guns being acquired illegally by criminals in the first place. Random mass-shootings are equally rare, most have a clear motive and are well organized. If you look at those statistics there is no correlation between gun ownership and gun murder rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Dan8267 says

If the freedom to communicate with other people without being spied on by the government is intolerable because terrorists may talk to each other, then the freedom to possess a gun is intolerable because terrorists may shoot people. You don't get it both ways. Pick a lane already.

There's some truth to that point, but you can get as close to having it both ways if you play it smart: You severely restrict immigration from problematic cultures (and encourage it from compatible ones) and treat citizenship as something that needs to be earned on good behavior and only grant full civil liberties to citizens. That may not stop all acts but probably will curb terrorism by 90% if not more IMO.

Jihadis being jihadis -Allah Akbur-vote Trump or you will be hearing that a lot more!

Our President and Hillary could not even bring themselves to say radical islam today. Kudos to bernie-he actually said ISIS needs to be detroyed-but not Crooked Hillary and Obozo.

Dan8267 says

This principle is demonstrated once again by the Orlando mass murder of LGBTs by a Muslim that was unequivocally motivated entirely by religion. No atheist or even Marxist is shooting people on the streets to advocate his beliefs. Your argument is simply a bold face lie.

I get it that you hate religion, but the Khmer rouge alone killed 2 million after banning all religion, and Stalin was clearly outspoken anti-religious atheist as well, many people were killed and tortured. 'Stalin called "to bring to completion the liquidation of the reactionary clergy in our country".[41] Stalin called for an "atheist five year plan" from 1932–1937, led by the LMG, in order to completely eliminate all religious expression in the USSR.[42] It was declared that the concept of God would disappear from the Soviet Union.[42]'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_