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Christmas Bombing, 1972

By Bellingham Bill following x   2016 Aug 2, 8:19pm 1,657 views   7 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/exhibits/decbomb/documents/rn-thieu-1-17-73.pdf

This is kinda cool, the formerly classified letter from Nixon to Thieu summarizing what concessions the US wrung out of the N Vietnamese after the Christmas bombings.

(See pages 2 & 3 for the list)

Contrary to right wing propaganda, all that killing and death didn't move the needle much.

1   marcus   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 2, 9:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CIC's new thing is making custom accounts to comment to people that have him on ignore. THe one for me, is "cluelessmarcus." ALthough he hasn't gone to crazy with it, so I haven't even put it on ignore yet. Whereas with this he obviously expects an immediate ignore.

So, welcome to being a member of the altusername CIC club.

2   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2016 Aug 3, 11:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I identify the motherfucker on his very first post every time and put whatever it's called on ignore

3   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2016 Aug 3, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

His comments and names have his pungent characteristic odor. --phenomenal when you think about it.

CIC's comments all beg a brief drum roll and a laugh track. His avatar should be the sad clown face.

4   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2016 Aug 3, 11:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Bellingham Bill: I scanned through your link and found it a little challenging to grok the significance of Nixon's delineating the coming transition to peace time "protocols," whatever they may have been at the time.

I get that this was on the verge of discontinuing the war efforts which were not admitted to as a war.

Generally Viet Nam police action in my mind marks the first instance of our American government using the military as nothing more than a high-dollar tool to bring about some specifically desired foreign policy goals. Because others of us see this development as atrocious disregard for lives of our military personnel there was outrage on the part of veterans, parents, and military age youth.

The justification for using our military this way was the so-called domino theory which even after being drilled into our heads by media still did not convince our country as a justification.

Since those days the Viet Nam protest situation has been rectified, the media has gotten a lot more skillful and military age youth has gotten even more desperate for employment with some dignity attached to it.

5   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2016 Aug 14, 12:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

basically the right wing has a catechism that Nixon let the USAF really pound Hanoi in December 1972 and that got the commies to knuckle under to us in short order.

The truth was Nixon wanted out before his second term started and he was leaving the Saigon regime out to dry, as this was simply an armistice to get US out of South Vietnam, not the North Vietnamese, which owned a lot of South Vietnam in '73 and were staying while we left.

This particular document lists *exactly* what new concessions the "Christmas Bombing" got from the North Vietnamese.

Not a damn thing, really.

What's also funny about this is that the Hanoi missile defense was taking a big toll on our bombers, and our bomber crew morale was starting to break.

North Vietnamese were running out of missiles, too, but they could get more from China.

6   Rew   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 14, 3:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

CIC's new thing is making custom accounts to comment to people that have him on ignore.

What sad desperation for attention. I pity him. He must be miserable to still even be here on Pnet.

Bellingham Bill says

What's also funny about this is that the Hanoi missile defense was taking a big toll on our bombers, and our bomber crew morale was starting to break.

North Vietnamese were running out of missiles, too, but they could get more from China.

Pretty amazing to see this in this light. Looks it would have taken a lot more might from our side to move the needle. Wow.

7   RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 14, 3:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DickheadBill says

Nobody gives a shit.

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