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Trump suggests guns could settle election

By tovarichpeter follow tovarichpeter   2016 Aug 9, 3:36pm 11,089 views   62 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37029170

Republican Donald Trump has sparked anger by suggesting his supporters could stop his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton by exercising their gun rights. He said that Mrs Clinton would put liberal justices on the Supreme Court if she wins the presidency in November, threatening gun ownership rights. Speaking at a rally in North Carolina, Mr Trump hinted that gun rights advocates could stop her taking power. That sparked an online backlash, many accusing him of inciting violence. But his campaign team said he was actually talking about getting gun rights supporters to the ballot box to enact change politically. The remarks...

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23   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 4:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump should not have said that , and now trying to spin it. But what about the iranian scientist who was executed after his name was revealed in the unlcassified server/email fiasco, the NSA spy whose name was revealed, the jihadi dad who had front row seat?? Nope, no outrage over that-Trump said something off handed-lets hang him.
The bigotry, rabid hate of the MSM is showing.

24   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 5:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

Trump should not have said that , and now trying to spin it

Thanks L&C--there's at least one person who hasn't completely lost their minds in their Trump adoration. The level that some of the other posters on here go to try and defend the undefendable is astounding. Trump was right--he literally could kill someone and CIC, dodgerfan, et. al would come on here saying the guy had it coming. Followed by Nuttboxer posting that Hillary had 3 people killed so he'd rather vote for the guy who only killed one guy instead of the woman that killed 3.

lostand confused says

The bigotry, rabid hate of the MSM is showing.

Well, maybe I spoke too soon.

25   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2016 Aug 10, 5:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WTF is a 'jeapordy', mr. ignorant teacher??

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

if we don't win the election, gun rights are in jeapordy"

26   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 7:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

What he said was fine. The issue comes up when retards like Tatty want to take ONE sentence out of context instead of listening to the multiple paragraphs of his complete statement.

OK, post the multiple paragraphs then. Prove me wrong by showing the context that I missed. (just kidding. I know you won't do that)

Ironman says

Trump came out later on Hannity and had to explain his statement in easy, 1st grade language so low information voters like Tatty, Roberta, Marcus and YesYNot can understand them.

It's called spin. And it fooled nobody except for the hard core Trumpeteers.

27   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 7:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

But what about the iranian scientist who was executed after his name was revealed in the unlcassified server/email fiasco

Look, wikipedia cannot redact names. It would compromise the integrity of the database.

28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 7:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Trump came out later on Hannity and had to explain his statement in easy, 1st grade language

Trump speaks in 1st grade language. Seriously, I expect my kid to use more complex language by 5 than Trump uses at the rallies. We don't know if his language is just sloppy or calculated, but it often follows the pattern laid out in this front page article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/from-trumps-controversial-words-a-pattern-outrage-headlines-and-then-denial/2016/08/09/4feadec0-5e71-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html

It's no good for a Pres to talk like that.

29   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2016 Aug 10, 7:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

And it fooled nobody except for the hard core Trumpeteers.

My take: Everyone to the right of middle is a fool?
Except for one or two? Too much credit?

How you fools on the left doing today?

30   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 8:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

The lamestream media cartel is FREAKING OUT that Donald Trump made a casual joke about Second Amendment unity during a campaign rally on Tuesday.

Wait a second. Now it's a casual joke?? I though it was "obvious" that he was simply telling gun owners to vote?? Which is it CIC?

And the MSM rightly distinguishes between idiots on twitter and someone running to be President of the most powerful country on Earth. To even make that comparison is ridiculous.

31   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 8:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This issue is blatantly obvious. No one with a public following like Drumpf should say something that could be interpreted as suggesting that one of those crazy followers kill a sitting president. In this case, the proper interpretation was that he suggested just that. Any attempt to explain what he meant relies on us believing that Trump would never suggest such a terrible thing, so he must have misspoke. He didn't just cross the goal line, he passed it and ran right through the endzone.

32   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 8:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

What about all those Twitter posts. what do you "think" about them?

They're idiots.

Ironman says

Here's a 31 second video clip for you. Let's see if you can concentrate and comprehend for that period of time.

Yep. So which is it? A casual joke or a call to gun owner to vote?

33   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 9:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TRUMP: Hahaha, I just made a casual joke about killing your mom! It's not like I have a history of inciting violence by telling my backers to beat up protestors, or saying I'd like to hit people who spoke badly about me at the DNC so hard their heads spin..

Trump defenders: See! There!

And of course what you want in a president is someone who can't control their mouth, and says things nearly every single day that have to be disavowed...

34   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 9:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

tatupu70 says

So which is it? A casual joke or a call to gun owner to vote?

What did the Trolling company that pays you tell you to say?

yes, whenever you are clearly outsmarted (which for you, is always on here!) deflect, deflect, deflect!

35   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2016 Aug 10, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Gun control issue can settle election. Democrats want to take rights away, you'd think that matters. But their voters don't care for having rights, since they just want the state to take care of them anyway and rights are not important to them.

36   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 9:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

What did the Trolling company that pays you tell you to say?

So, you're not sure then?

37   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 9:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

Democrats want to take rights away, you'd think that matters. But their voters don't care for having rights

Please don't try to articulate what Dem voters believe. You aren't capable.

38   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 9:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Presidency by duel, sounds a lot better than our current system.

39   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 10:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What absolute nonsense. The media will jump on anything Trump says or does, and give it the worst possible portrayal. You are seeing in real time dramatic attempts to direct the voting public to the corporatocracy's choice. You are seeing this live.

40   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 10:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

What absolute nonsense. The media will jump on anything Trump says or does, and give it the worst possible portrayal.

Cut the bullshit: If Hillary Clinton had said anything 20% this bad, you'd make 58 hair-on-fire posts on that one utterance.

It's a good thing you're pretending to be all third-party Jill Stein. Otherwise, one might get the idea that you're a dead-ender Trump apologist.

41   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 10:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

It's a good thing you're pretending to be all third-party Jill Stein. Otherwise, one might get the idea that you're a dead-ender Trump apologist.

Keep pushing the two party meme. If you can demonstrate past CNN campaigns against Hillary, please post.

42   Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 11:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

The media will jump on anything Trump says or does,

Yes, how dare the media keep using the man's exact words against him, in verbatim quotes.

(if you are a trump supporter, verbatim means word for word...)

43   Rew   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 12:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wonder why he didn't learn from Palin's target on Gifford? I guess I epextect too much. This is a would be president asking foreign nations to spy on his rivals. Those are the words of a traitor and despot in my mind.

I think Trump is about to enter full on baby whining mode: crooked Hillary, it's the evil media, and the election is rigged. I think he will try and create a save face way to bow out when the loss comes in.

- 3 Debates agreed to. Marvelous. :)
- Majority of poll sources, with ongoing polling, always show Clinton ahead

44   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

No, I'm not sure which Trolling company pays you to shill for the Dems. Why don't you tell us.

Sure--as soon as you tell me what Trump did yesterday. Was it a casual joke? Or was he appealing to Gun owners to get out and vote?

45   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Here, feel free to finally read the transcript, you might learn something (I doubt it though)

http://patrick.net/?p=1294323&c=1312821#comment-1312821

That's nice. Was it a casual joke? Or was he appealing to gun owners to vote?

46   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 1:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Here, feel free to finally read the transcript,

Part of the problem is that Trump doesn't speak in complete sentences.

If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know. But — but I’ll tell you what. That will be a horrible day. If — if Hillary gets to put her judges — right now, we’re tied. You see what’s going on.

Here's my attempt at a translation.
If she gets to pick her judges, [there is] nothing you can do. Although (meaning on the other hand), maybe the second amendment people can do something [even if she is elected and gets to pick her judges].

Any half literate person could say something like this: If she gets to pick her judges, there will be nothing you can do. The only way you can prevent her from taking away your second amendment rights is to get out there and vote. Vote for Donald J Trump. The NRA is a huge voting block, yada yada.

Because he speaks in phrases, grunts, and speculation (maybe, I don't know, etc.) instead of sentences, it's anyone's guess what he means. We can only tell what he says, and what he meant is really irrelevant in this case. The mind blowing thing is that he always refuses to clarify his half-literate ambiguous comments.

47   Rew   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

Was it a casual joke? Or was he appealing to Gun owners to get out and vote?

Get the lead out everyone! I want you to vote! Hit your targets. Make you mark. Remember, people have died for the right. Make it count.

Oh my gosh! PNeters are so horrible. Are you going to misinterpret what I mean?

48   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

A joke about what??

I don't know--you are the one that posted it.

49   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Did you forget??

Ironman says

Media Freaks When Donald Trump Jokes About the Second Amendment, Stays Silent When HIS Life Is Threatened.

The lamestream media cartel is FREAKING OUT that Donald Trump made a casual joke about Second Amendment unity during a campaign rally on Tuesday. Media elit-o-crats insisted that Trump was calling on Hillary Clinton to be assassinated if she’s elected so she can’t nominate anti-Second Amendment liberal justices to the Supreme Court.

50   Rew   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What he said in bold. With what the uneducated, who he loves, heard in italics.

If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do.
If she is elected, WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!
Although, maybe the second amendment people can do something.
But you can kill her ... KILL HER WITH FIRE!

The rule of communication is actually: "It doesn't matter what you say. It matters what the person hears." That probably seems pretty asinine and infuriating to some. Believe me when I tell you, it is absolutely true.

51   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 1:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

See, one of you TDS fanatics get it. Now please explain that to Tatty, he's just a bit slow.

OK--well, you need to tell the guy at heatst.com then. He didn't get the memo either.

52   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 2:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

Keep pushing the two party meme

Sorry, but if you keep blowing authoritarians like Trump, you're getting a one-party state.

53   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2016 Aug 10, 2:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

So, you guys make yourselves out to be even BIGGER assholes by jumping to your own conclusions, instead of getting clarification directly from the source.

When it comes to inciting others, it only matters what is said and if it is reasonable to think it would incite violence. What was meant doesn't matter so much in this case.

Ironman says

Really, have you been living under a rock this past year? Your liberal media friends ALWAYS take what he says out of context and he has to spend the next three days trying to put it into kindergarten language so you CAN understand it.

Like I said, he speaks in ambiguous phrases rather than complete sentences, and he regularly refuses to answer questions to clarify what he meant. A favorite response of his is 'I said what I said,' or something to that effect. This happens routinely with Trump. It's not everybody else's fault. It's Trump's fault for being illiterate in the first place, and obstinate when questioned about it.

Trump doesn't need to simplify his language. He needs to make it more explicit and use unambiguous complete sentences. For people who are used to communicating clearly, hearing Trump murder the English language is tiresome and painful.

54   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 2:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

HydroCabron says

you're getting a one-party state.

That's what we have NOW, idiot.

Then vote for Hillary, since both sides are the same. I mean, what's the difference?

55   Rew   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 2:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

Stays Silent When HIS Life Is Threatened.

Poor Donald. I think he has always been the kid who picks the fight, sets the tone, and then suddenly doesn't want to play anymore when he starts getting beaten.

56   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 3:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

How about vote for NONE of the establishment?

You must have been a lot of fun to be around in the Reichstag, back in '32 or thereabouts.

57   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 3:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

How about vote for NONE of the establishment?

Good, so you've given up on Trump then? Because last I checked, the Heritage foundation was a huge part of the establishment and they are basically running Trump's fiscal policy.

58   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 10, 4:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

Heritage foundation was a huge part of the establishment and they are basically running Trump's fiscal policy.

Which economic advisor are you talking about: Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve or Steve?

59   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 10, 4:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Can you please reference ANYWHERE where I said I was voting for him.

lol--are you not going to vote for him?

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