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Rew says

Is a candidate that got an extremely divisive and unsure referendum passed, and then was forced out/ran away, a good model for Trump?

Perfect. He's nearly as much of a clown as Trump.

Rew says

And then there is this ...

The UK's increasing Levels of Hate

Hate makes America great (again)! Not only should the US pull out of NATO and every other world organization that dilutes and weakens our nationalistic virility, we should pull out of the Constitution. It's just for PC pussies.

neplusultra57 says

we should pull out of the Constitution. It's just for PC pussies.

We do all seem to be choosing to pick a few pieces we like to support and rally around.

The 'originalist' idea that the constitution is set in stone, not to be interpreted, and not to be amended drives me a little bonkers. Seems pretty reactionary to me.

Rew says

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2013/fbi-bias-crimes-against-muslims-remain-high-levels

But which religious group experiences the most hate crimes in America?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

As for the UK, the Muslim gang hate attacks on Sikhs needs to stop.

Also, the Native Indigenous Population needs to be offered a referendum on whether MENA immigration should continue.

Finally, there needs to be "One Law For All" and child marriages/polygamy in Europe needs to be prosecuted, just like it would if a European did it.

thunderlips11 says

But which religious group experiences the most hate crimes in America?

bzzzzt bzzzzt narrative_short_circuit. bzzzt.

"White Slag!"
www.youtube.com/embed/uj9PY9-r52c

PS, The Muslim Grooming Gangs don't just target Underage White Girls in Council Housing, but Sikh Girls too.

www.youtube.com/embed/-_KglANlsYk

thunderlips11 says

But which religious group experiences the most hate crimes in America?

Which ones have presidential candidates stoking anger against them? Jews, Christians?

Since hate crimes are far more motivated by race, what about racial/ethnic groups that are being spoken out against in our rekindled anti-immigration fervor? Is there a new backlash against the Irish these days?

landtof says

bzzzzt bzzzzt narrative_short_circuit. bzzzt.

Jews have double the current total population in America when compared to Muslims. The US is ravenously pro-Israel in politics and outward message. While there may be more total crimes against them, the narrative is one those stoking new rising hate against groups. The narrative seems pretty well intact to me. Want to try again?

You can try and tell me about the poor plight of Christian persecution in the US? (forced to give out birth control and gay-homo-sex cakes.)

thunderlips11 , you dug pretty hard to find that video, didn't you. That one has 1M views! I bet it's passed around in the right wing echo chambers of the internet blog and news sites.

Try this ...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racists+on+train

Rew says

thunderlips11 , you dug pretty hard to find that video, didn't you. That one has 1M views! I bet it's passed around in the right wing echo chambers of the internet blog and news sites.

Took me no time at all. I had seen it already, along with Sikh Attacks by Muslims in the UK.

Rew says

Jews have double the current total population in America when compared to Muslims. The US is ravenously pro-Israel in politics and outward message. While there may be more total crimes against them, the narrative is one those stoking new rising hate against groups. The narrative seems pretty well intact to me. Want to try again?

And you can see why I would oppose Muslim immigration, right? Jews don't generally have 3,4,5 kids like Muslims do (esp. First Generation immigrants like the Orlando Shooter's Father). The US is a pretty good place for Jews, and I'd like to keep it that way. Also, Israel is one UN Security Council member away from being invaded over human rights by countries that execute gays and "Witches".

France has never seen levels of Jewish emmigration since 1947. It's not a sudden SSPX membership growth that is fueling a stupendous rise in anti-semitic attacks in France.

Cologne, Sweden, Birmingham. We don't need toxic Religious Believers causing that kind of trouble in the USA. Banning immigration by certain nationalities where certain worldviews are prevalent has never been struck down by the Supremes, even when Jimmy Carter banned Iranian immigrantion during the Revolution. The US can exclude constitutionally on purely ideological tests, however the truth behind the tests is almost impossible to vet. I'm sure people like Red Emma declared they weren't a communist or anarchist on their immigration forms.

Rew says

You can try and tell me about the poor plight of Christian persecution in the US? (forced to give out birth control and gay-homo-sex cakes.)

Nope. I'm not a Country Club Conservative trying to win some dumb Cruz voters.

Rew says

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racists+on+train

So, it didn't happen because another video by white racists got more views?

By the way, notice how many other passengers, almost all White, are shouting him down.

I imagine with all the Tumblr Warriors and SJWs and the Media Narrative push, "Racists on Train" would mostly feature the clear a tiny minority of a minority, racist dumb young white guys. In any case it's clear his views are not very popular on a Tram consisting overwhelmingly other white people.

The problem we can head off in the US is one of importing Violent, Irrational Religious Believers.

Do you think a country that still apparently struggles with White-Black racial problems, even though they share the same religion, should make shit more complex by welcoming tons of Muslims from not only a different culture, but a religion where insane views on Gays, Women, etc. are widely held, confirmed in countless polls?

Talk about biting off more than one can chew.

What's the desperation to admit all these Middle Easterners, from a region where democracies are almost unheard of, women are oppressed, slavery continues under "Foreign Workers", other religions are often banned (ie Saudi Arabia), and homosexuals openly threatened with death (not simply preached at by a small minority)?

Especially when a century of sociology (if not millenia of history) clearly tells us what happens when a large influx of poor migrants encounters equally poor natives. It's not a love fest. What is the urgency to juggle with knives?

Hey, if somebody is a Secular, Democratic Activist, with a proven history of pro-Democratic, pro-Secular Writings, and is facing intimidation by some Muslim Regime, by all means give them asylum. But not random poor people. Because as sociologists have known for a century, poor people are the most likely to gravitate towards extreme Religion.

Anybody who is a Liberal, much less a Leftist, should be happy about the possibility of keeping out people whose views are that of Hyper-Religious Extremists.

Farage is a landtof says

bzzzzt bzzzzt narrative_short_circuit. bzzzt.

Well looky dar!

Euuu shor gotta a purty mouth!

Haw many kroem-zoems the new babby got thar, Cletus? Twenny-one? Why, that's the most in yor hole famaly. Korngrajlaishuns!

Pretty thoughtful ...
www.youtube.com/embed/1EFIO7Tp-hQ

Interesting as well ...
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/18/bad-news-mr-brexit-unlike-britons-americans-favor-immigration/

thunderlips11 says

Anybody who is a Liberal, much less a Leftist, should be happy about the possibility of keeping out people whose views are that of Hyper-Religious Extremists.

What specifically is Trump proposing which is going to keep 'Hyper-Religious Extremists' out? Do you refer to an outright Muslim ban or Extreme Vetting? What is considered extreme in belief? Is religious fundamentalism of any kind, by any religion, also classified as extreme? Finally, how do you know Trump will keep what you believe are solutions around this and actually enact them?

I see no balanced or thoughtful approach to this from camp Trump. They will talk about this issue in the manner that politically serves them the best at the end of the day. There is no real policy here. Trump has no path to a solution. He is exacerbating a clash between citizens though.

thunderlips11 says

"White Slag!"

www.youtube.com/embed/uj9PY9-r52c

Come on, you did hear the rest of that, didn't you? Pretty predictable back and forth. And yes, I read the youtuber's comment. Convenient/inconvenient he didn't happen to video that part though... The girl looks like a charva - well known for their displays of good public behavior.

Until the mealy mouthed left quits talking through the side of its neck and starts addressing legal and illegal immigration as two distinctly seperate matters, in an obvious effort to confuscate the issues for political and propaganda motivations, I'm done listening to anyone who sees fit to attack Trump on his anti illegal immigration stance.

In fact, I label anyone that refuses to make such distinction as liars and deceivers.

www.youtube.com/embed/59NzjPG4yI4

Farage is a true European hero, tirelessly demonstrating the uselessness of the oligarchs in Brussels living off of taxpayer money and redistributing more taxpayer money to causes the taxpayer absolutely does not want to see their money go to as well as centralizing the law without ever having been properly elected by the people. Calling him conservative, populist, libertarian or right-wing is fair game, but any accusation of racism wrt Farage is a bold faced lie. Coming from the same people who label Geert Wilders (or Ayaan Hirsi Ali) as a racist, who has been living in hiding in fear of his life and that of his family. Shameful, please educate yourselves, especially if you claim to be intelligent and can't play the redneck defense.

Rashomon says

Come on, you did hear the rest of that, didn't you? Pretty predictable back and forth. And yes, I read the youtuber's comment. Convenient/inconvenient he didn't happen to video that part though... The girl looks like a charva - well known for their displays of good public behavior.

I forgot - only White People can be racist or religious bigots.

Middle Easterners are famous for their racial and religious tolerance. Historically, Christians and Jews and Pagans and Hindus didn't pay special taxes, could hold military offices, etc. in the Middle East. MENA people never kept black and white slaves in the millions. The Ottomans were never the imperialist rulers of a quarter to a third of Europe, dragging Christian children from their parents.

I'm glad he's around to keep an eye on things...

Looks like he's got an extra ligament from his teeth to his eye sockets...

Tenpoundbass says

I'm glad he's around to keep an eye on things...

Can you post the english version???

thunderlips11 says

"White Slag!"

www.youtube.com/embed/uj9PY9-r52c

thunderlips11 says

I forgot - only White People can be racist or religious bigots.

And who said that? The point is that it's a stupid video to post up to try and prove your point.

Rashomon says

And who said that? The point is that it's a stupid video to post up to try and prove your point.

No, the point is that we're supposed to take every video of whites being racist or Christians behaving intolerantly seriously; but we're supposed to find every excuse to dismiss racism against whites and Muslim Supremacy.

Wasn't there a Buffalo Albany, NY story where the girls alleged they were victims of a Hate Crime, but videos, cell phone footage, and 911 showed them instigating not only the confrontation, but the only ones using racial slurs?
http://news10.com/2016/02/25/all-three-women-in-alleged-ualbany-racial-attack-charged-with-assault/

Actually, just a few days ago, the sister of a man shot (by a black cop), made a plea not to burn down our neighborhood (CNN ended it there), but rather the White neighborhoods, and besides some girls need their weaves (not me because my hair is all natural) (CNN Left that part out and later apologized).

Here's the best example of what I'm talking about.

To begin with, the chief said, the victim had not been raped but was believed to have been sexually assaulted.

Two individuals alleged to have been involved with the assault were arrested and taken to a juvenile detention center.

The suspects were not from Syria, but from Sudan and Iraq.

Now the WaPo did not report on the original story, but only put up this in response to the story being discussed in local news and then on Social Media. Notice the caveats they think it's important to mention don't take away from the core concept behind the concern:

"Importing people from war torn countries isn't such a great idea, because they've been exposed and have internalized rampant violence that doesn't disappear the moment they step off the plane in America, and their cultures are anti-female to boot."

Whether they were from Syria or Sudan or Iraq doesn't take away from the war-torn country point. Not using a knife doesn't take away from the fact it was a forcible sexual assault. That she was only forcibly fondled and not penetrated doesn't take away from it being a sex crime.

thunderlips11 says

No, the point is that we're supposed to take every video of whites being racist seriously; but we're supposed to find every excuse to dismiss racism against whites.

Since when? And that video was nothing more than the give and take you see all the time between a certain type of young person in the UK. Big f-ing deal.

Fine, here's another one I remember.

The four women - three sisters and their cousin - were told the charge of actual bodily harm, which carries a maximum sentence of five years, against 22-year-old care worker Rhea Page would normally land them in custody.

However, the judge handed the women suspended sentences after hearing that they were not used to alcohol because their religion does not allow it.

Miss Page said Ambaro Maxamed, 24, Ayan Maxamed, 28, and Hibo Maxamed, 24, and their 28-year-old cousin Ifrah Nur screamed "Kill the white slag" while kicking her in the head as she lay motionless on the ground.

The support worker from Leicester was left "black and blue" with bruises and needed hospital treatment following the attack which came as she walked to a taxi rank with her boyfriend.

Of course, drinking doesn't make you a hate crime perpetrator unless you hate before you drink. Otherwise it wouldn't enter your mind, even drunk.

It gets worse - despite the use of racial slurs:

During the hearing, James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a "white bitch" during the incident.

However, the women, who are all Somalian Muslims, were not charged with racial aggravation.

CCTV Video of the Racist Attack here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8938468/Attack-on-Rhea-Page-captured-on-CCTV-in-Leicester.html

That's the best you can come up with? You now have to post about a UK example on a US forum? What do you think a couple of examples prove? I'll tell you. Nothing. We can all post up cases/videos and say look at this! It's a pretty meaningless ploy.

Yes, many people are racist. Sentences are not always consistent. Tell me some more shockers, Thunderlips.