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It seems to have worked, for now.

Saudi prince reminds Trump "I bailed you out - twice."

A whole bunch of Saudi royals live in Trump Tower.

Indeed, Prince Alwaleed (who only has a one percent stake in Fox News — hardly a co-owner) included news snippets in his tweets. One news story was the fact he had to buy Trump’s yacht, which had recently been turned over to creditors when it fell a staggering $900 million in debt.

Alwaleed also included the story of how he bought Trump Plaza Hotel in New York after promising to erase the mogul’s debt. Calling it a “defeat for the real estate developer,” The New York Times reports that the outstanding debt accumulated form the hotel around $300 million, yet the Prince was able to buy it down to roughly $25 million.

There are two questions everyone should be asking. One, how did Trump run up $900 million in debt over a yacht, and how did he acquire $300 million of debt from a world famous hotel? Second, how can anymore expect Trump to be “tough” on the Saudis and the Royal Family when he owes them millions of dollars?

Would you rather vote for:

A candidate who ripped off the Saudis for ~ $1B

A candidate who is in debt for political favors to the Saudis, to the tune of 10's of millions of dollars

Which candidate is more likely to be doing the evil terrorist bidding of ISIS/Saudi Arabia

The one who is forging alliances with Russia

The one who is breaking Keep the Peace Rule no. 1: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit, by attempting to engage in war with Russia

I don't usually base my vote on far fetched conspiracy theories, especially if I estimate that some of my favorite and most creative theories that i want to base my vote on have less than a 5% chance of being true.

The whole beef with Russia is because Russia isn't using the New York controlled Swift banking system. Instead, they had the audacity to cooperate with several other countries to create the BRICS banking system, which eliminates NY control of digital money. This, clearly, can not be tolerated, so the elites unleashed the hounds on Ukraine, financing a coup of that nation's government, and creating a situation where Russia must intervene militarily. Then they fired up their propaganda machine (Main Stream US Media, folks!) and got to work creating bad feelings between America and Russia.
Then, Russia had the audacity to attack Obama and Hillary's little ISIS project in Syria, claiming to be in defense of their declared ally Assad. It would look too bad for America, land of the free, to openly support the murderous genocidal ISIS against Russia, so we had to back out, all the while motherfucking Putin to hell and back.

Trump comes along and fucks up the elites' misguided plot to create a new COLD WAR by stating that Putin isn't a bad leader and he feels like he could work well with him.

INSANITY!
Elites order media moguls to pull out their hair on live television over the specter of RUSSIAN AGGRESSION OMG!!!
It's really quite a circus, folks.
Quite a show.
But keep in mind that the clowns will eventually exit stage left and the janitors *that's us!* will be left to sweep up the leavings.

Quigley says

The whole beef with Russia is because Russia isn't using the New York controlled Swift banking system.

Actually, it's because they seize territory from other countries by force.

But "won't use the Swift banking system" is pretty much the same thing.

Quigley says

the elites unleashed the hounds on Ukraine, financing a coup of that nation's government

You probably meant "gave assistance to a coup against that nation's corrupt Putin-controlled puppet government" then you've hit it on the nose.

Quigley says

The whole beef with Russia is because Russia isn't using the New York controlled Swift banking system

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HydroCabron says

You probably meant "gave assistance to a coup against that nation's corrupt Putin-controlled

That's an ad hominem attack on a government that was democratically elected and still supported by disenfranchised Ukrainians who are fighting to restore it. Just because you say the government was corrupt doesn't make it so. The fact is that American elites financed a coup that destroyed the Ukraine.
Millions of lives lost or put in jeopardy, a whole nation destroyed, and that's ok because you said it was corrupt anyway.
10-4

Quigley says

That's an ad hominem attack on a government

I can't believe you just wrote that.

Quigley says

that was democratically elected

Google "Viktor Yanukovych vote rigging" & "Viktor Yanukovych torture" - have fun.

There is no question that Yanukovich's political opponents - such as Yuschenko (with the ugly dioxin-poisoning scars Putin gave him ) are corrupt, but Yanukovitch was also a corrupt, torturing, vicious SOB who also heavily favored Russian-sympathetic appointees from the Donbass region, to the exclusion of all others. He was basically Putin's bitch.

Quigley says

The fact is that American elites financed a coup that destroyed the Ukraine.

Imagine if Lavrov and the Russian Ambassador went to Black Lives Matter protests calling for the resignation of Congress and the President, and handed out chak-chak to the protesters.

Can you say "Expelled in 24 hours" and probably a UN Condemnation for violating Diplomatic Protocol?

Quigley says

Ukraine

This might be off-topic, feel free to delete or relocate, but I have a question about Ukraine.

Reportedly, 80% of Crimeans eligible to vote turned out and voted that Crimea should leave Ukraine and join Russia. Crimea has a population of more than 2 million people.

American secession got really messy and nasty in 1861-65. How far are we really prepared to go to tell 2 million Crimeans they can't secede from Ukraine and become part of Russia? Apart from the MIC, who benefits from us getting involved in Ukrainian/Crimean secession? Is there some sort of domino theory at work here, like next maybe Florida might vote to join Russia? Is it a borrow&spend deficit/debt thing, like Ukraine ran up a lot of debt and the creditors don't want anyone leaving without paying?

Not just once, either. Crimeans have voted to leave Ukraine many times before, starting in the 90s. Each time the referendum was shot down in Kiev; Ukraine is a Centralized State. That is, Governors are selected in Kiev, not in the provinces. That's how the fugitive ex-President of Georgia is now ruling Odessa Oblast despite an Interpol Warrant for Fraud and Human Rights Violations (he jailed oppo leaders and journalists around election time).