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Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW): They're DONE with women & wives. Menimism


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2016 Sep 27, 9:41am   22,181 views  58 comments

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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/reddit-mgtow-men-sex-sleep-women-manosphere-meninist-a7330276.html

Inside the world of men who've sworn never to sleep with women again
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) believe men are always victims in relationships 

The first rule of Fight Club – the 1999 film about an underground boxing club for men grappling with masculinity and dead-end jobs – was to never talk about fight club.

Almost two decades after its release, tens of thousands of men have formed a real-life online community called MGTOW, or Men Going Their Own Way.

Their first rule? Abandoning all romantic relationships with women.

On Reddit alone, some 15,000 readers are subscribed to the MGTOW page which declares it is for "men going our own way by forging our own identities and paths to self-defined success; cutting through collective ideas of what a man is.”

Other websites including MGTOW.com are also dedicated to what they see as each man's fight for sovereignty of himself. And despite their hatred for women, homosexuality isn't accepted, either.

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Posts on the Reddit page offer an insight into their world: They range from worrying that future sex bots will be hacked by central government, to encouraging men to divorce their wives. They also debate how "even men in Hollywood" are “cuckolded” and wronged by women.

Others discuss the merits of visiting prostitutes, and how pop songs are feminist propaganda. The more you scroll, the darker it becomes.

One recent post described how women “fake orgasms often, because it makes men more submissive”. Another talked of “ditching” his “blue pill friends.” Others proudly declare that they are still virgins.

“I want sex and company, but I don’t want/can’t put in the effort to get it,” wrote another user on the MGTOW.com forum. 

The MGTOW community has a pretty clear set of expectations for themselves and the wider world that are based in meninism: a counteraction to feminism which sees women’s rights directly disadvantage men.

While feminists might argue that their movement aims to help both men and women break free of harmful gender stereotypes, meninists disagree.

To them, men are the victims of heterosexual relationships, comparable to a horse with a cart strapped it its back. MGTOWs borrow heavily from pop-culture to explain their beliefs, particularly the film the Matrix where the Chosen One chooses to reject his blinkered "blue pill" life in favour of the awareness offered by the "red pill". 

The ultimate goal for MGTOWs is total freedom from societal constraints - known as Level 4.

“Level 0” involves “taking the red pill” and recognising gender equality is a sham. Level one sees a man rejecting long-term relationships but engaging in sexual encounters, which he will reject in level two.

As the MGTOW movement is entangled with alt-right and libertarian politics, the third step sees the man focusing on earning money in order to sustain himself. 

Japan has a worrying number of virgins
In this quest, obstacles include feminists; white knights (men who are “chivalrous” towards women); social justice warriors; those who are pro-LGBT rights and support safe spaces, amongst other things. 

Their heroes? The so-called herbivore men of Japan who have no interest in finding long-term female partners, a label with which half of men in their 20s and 30s identify.

The origins of MGTOW are unclear. The MGTOW website loftily suggests their ideals hark back to “Schopenhauer, Tesla, Beethoven, Galileo, or even Jesus Christ”, and equates it to "fire".

“MGTOW is not as old as fire, but it's as old as a man's first discovery of it. If MTGOW is fire, then perhaps feminism is gasoline,” reads the MGTOW.com history page. A more concrete theory is that MGTOW was created by online aliases Solaris and Ragnar in the 2000s, when they penned a manifesto calling for men and women to adhere to traditional gender roles and to fight for pared back govermment.

And while their communities may be virtual, their determination seems very real indeed. 

#IfItFloatsFlysOrFucks

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1   Tenpoundbass   2016 Sep 27, 9:43am  

Until they censor the internet anyway.
The end of porn will be the rise of real men.

2   freespeechforever   2016 Sep 27, 9:44am  

"The end of porn will be the rise of real men."

Truly life-like, sexbots.

3   HEY YOU   2016 Sep 27, 10:25am  

Women should not have time for sex.
They should stay busy washing,cleaning,cooking
& doing what I tell them to do.

Now I can vote Republican!

4   anonymous   2016 Sep 27, 10:30am  

Hey, if you choose to be a Eunuch, have at it. More girls for me

5   HydroCabron   2016 Sep 27, 10:38am  

I smell neckbeard butthurt.

6   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 10:42am  

Women are scarey, very, very scarey.

I am going to miss draping them over the breakfast table for a quickie before coffee and eggs.

7   Blurtman   2016 Sep 27, 10:53am  

Why wouldn't a man want to partner with an attractive successful woman who has a good head on her shoulders and is ambitious and talented? Have some confidence in your own abilities, men.

8   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 10:55am  

Sex withdrawal extortion only works in one direction.

9   HydroCabron   2016 Sep 27, 11:02am  

Trump proved last night that men are emotional, quick to anger and unable to remain focused under pressure.

Maybe men are not cost-effective?

10   Patrick   2016 Sep 27, 11:15am  

There does seem to be statistical evidence that men are boycotting marriage because it has become entirely one-sided, with no rights for the husband, only obligations and costs.

11   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 11:17am  

Just what women are looking for, a bunch of "fuck 'n run" frat boys raised watching fake internet porn nymphomaniacs.

12   Dan8267   2016 Sep 27, 11:52am  

freespeechforever says

This is how meninists are showing how much they hate the new Ghostbusters trailer

If that even registers on your radar, you have a pretty easy life.

freespeechforever says

“Level 0” involves “taking the red pill” and recognising gender equality is a sham. Level one sees a man rejecting long-term relationships but engaging in sexual encounters, which he will reject in level two.

What is the point of rejecting causal sex if you're not going out of your way to get it? There's no cost.

By the way, what does "gender equality" mean in this context? Without a clear and precise definition, this statement is meaningless. That's the problem with all social discussions. People just debate whether specific political terms should have a positive or negative connotation without debating actual ideas. They are just interested in word usage, not what the words mean. Such arguments are pointless.

freespeechforever says

white knights (men who are “chivalrous” towards women);

A white knight is a man who wrongly attacks other men who aren't doing anything bad in order to impress a woman and convince her to sleep with him. For example, Jane starts punching Bob. Bob attempts to walk away but can't, so he pushes Jane away from him to distance him from her attacks. Larry attacks Bob. Larry is a white knight committing assault in order to impress a woman who is also committing assault. Only Bob is in the right.

freespeechforever says

The so-called herbivore men of Japan who have no interest in finding long-term female partners, a label with which half of men in their 20s and 30s identify.

This does not seem to be the same thing as MGTOW. Herbivore men, from what I've read, are simply not interested in chasing pussy, settling down, consumerism, working long hours at dead end jobs, and participating in the rat race. Instead, they have found happiness enjoying the simple and free things in life like walking in a park, conversing with friends, playing a game of chess. I see nothing wrong with that. It's a lifestyle choice -- one I personally would find hard to choose -- but if that's what makes makes them happy, more power to them. Herbivore men are great for the environment and depopulating the overcrowded nation of Japan.

MGTOW seems to be the result of a lot of pent up frustration and anger of both male and female behavior from SJWs to the divorce court to white knights. A lot of this frustration and anger is justified, but I cannot help thinking that a lot of MGTOW people are just bitter.

I have a conjecture that the decrease in the desire to have sex and the desire to have children for both sexes in Japan is the result of resource competition. In Japan and in many western nations, living expenses are large relative to income especially for parents. I speculate that there is a biological mechanism that causes social animals including humans to have a decrease desire for sex and reproduction when resources are scarce and competition for those resources great. This makes evolutionary sense because a social population can strip resources causing a population collapse if they overgraze, kill to many prey, deplete fruit bearing trees, etc. Sacrificing individual reproduction enables the herd, tribe, etc. to survive and that group contains closely related members. So it's in the individual's genetic interest to forgo reproduction for the health of the group.

Even though the resources in modern life are completely different, health care, housing, day care, education, etc., they still trigger this instinct. This may be why in developed nations the fertility rate is below 2.0. It's not being a developed nation that causes this, but rather the concentration of wealth into the hands of a few people causing the vast majority of the population to fight over scraps.

13   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 11:55am  

MASTURBATION NATION! RAH!

Another progressive advantage brought to you by the information age of the internet.

Those scheming females with their grappling hook hearts are now OBSOLETE!

14   turtledove   2016 Sep 27, 12:19pm  

rando says

There does seem to be statistical evidence that men are boycotting marriage because it has become entirely one-sided, with no rights for the husband, only obligations and costs.

Agreed, but fix the system. Becoming a monk isn't a practical choice for most people.

15   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 12:22pm  

Release the sperm back to the universe! Free the sperm!

16   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2016 Sep 27, 12:36pm  

Our board has a resident MGTOW. Doesn't rin count as one?

When I first heard of MGTOW, I thought it was like a cameltoe, but with a megalodon. You know - kind of like a giant pussy with teeth. Maybe that's what they are running from.

17   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 12:36pm  

Men, embrace you irrelevancy to the chain of reproduction! You are pollen, women are the plant!

Spew your trivial signatures on yourselves! Don't let the plants win!

18   Rin   2016 Sep 27, 12:51pm  

YesYNot says

Our board has a resident MGTOW. Doesn't rin count as one?

I am a serial hoe bonker; there is a difference.

19   epitaph   2016 Sep 27, 12:53pm  

They are free to make any decisions they want to in life, but in my opinion, they are weak willed defeatists. I'm not attempting to shape anybody's ideas, and I understand that in modern society the cards are stacked against men, but to not try, is the biggest failure anybody can make. If you desire a wife, a family, you should pursue that, even in spite of terrible odds.

20   MisdemeanorRebel   2016 Sep 27, 12:59pm  

BTW, there are plenty of "Women going their own way", in fact it seems to have come first as an organized thing, although it wasn't called that.

In the 70s you saw female communes of exclusively women, some are still functional.

Interestingly, however, they are almost universally lesbians, whereas MGTOWs are generally not.

21   Tenpoundbass   2016 Sep 27, 1:03pm  

Nice to see Hillary's stellar performance last night has you feeling more cheerful to make your rounds.

22   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 1:03pm  

Being chained to a radiator is marriage?

The paranoid patriarchs of the bible got it wrong. Men were cast from the rib of Eve, not vice versa.

Men spend their time trying to overcome the narcissistic insult with bluster and grandiosity.

23   Rin   2016 Sep 27, 1:19pm  

epitaph says

I'd never tell my kid that the odds of becoming a NFL quarterback

Apples and Oranges. A kid with NCAA potential, stands out among his varsity crowd in HS. He's scouted by agents and is offered full scholarships to places like Michigan or Illinois. If he fails to make professional, at least he got a free ride out of his school and probably had some fun during March Madness.

In contrast, relationships today are about alimony and childcare support. Where's the fun there?

I work 6 days per week and bonk a hoe on day 7. It's efficient and it works.

24   epitaph   2016 Sep 27, 1:52pm  

I agree they are both terrible candidates, but with Clinton, you know you are going to get lies, deceit, and corruption.

Trump is a mystery box.

www.youtube.com/embed/yZpIog7e-R4

25   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 2:14pm  

I'll never be slathered by gushing fountains of pussy juice again, sob sob!

26   junkmail   2016 Sep 27, 2:18pm  

With ladies like this around... you won't find me signing up to any boys club.

27   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 2:44pm  

I would suspect that this is a canard. In the first place, how common were Genghis Khan's genes in the gene pool before the rapes, since his genes were merely derivative of his stock? Since his individual gene stock was serially divided and diluted through generational attrition, how much of it was already in common with his "victims" and the common ancestors/descendants of his people in general?

All you can really say is that Genghis Khan's genes were common to the population and persisted. Any genetic trait that is advantageous, even at the level of a percentage point, will over many generations tend to proliferate. Any that are not advantageous will tend to dissipate.

Of course, GenghisKhanFuck mythology is as good a reason to keep being slathered by pussy juice as any.

28   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 3:07pm  

The gene pool is a bubbling puddle. Viewing it from the vantage point of individuality is biologic narcissism.

From that vantage point, impregnating your own daughters and resultant granddaughters is the best way to ensure that your loosely bolted gene formation remains intact.

30   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 3:55pm  

A short spell of boinking and a long spell of mizries. Poor men.

31   Dan8267   2016 Sep 27, 4:16pm  

Rin says

'They say that there's a red pill and that there's a blue pill.

I see the Red, White, and Blue'

You need to check your white pill privilege.

32   thenuttyneutron   2016 Sep 27, 4:43pm  

I should get a fake ID and go fuck all the lonely women out there. They want cock at least once a month and this is at the best time to reproduce and it not cost me anything more than a dinner and a box of cheap wine.

33   Dan8267   2016 Sep 27, 4:46pm  

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Hmmm, sounds familiar.

Damn, you beat me to it. I switched videos though because that one didn't play outside YouTube.

Conan is a very underrated film. It's very deep and symbolic.

34   thenuttyneutron   2016 Sep 27, 4:50pm  

www.youtube.com/embed/AloNERbBXcc

"Fuck a lot of women. Not just one woman. A lot of women!"

Why did I not have such sage advise from my grandfathers?

35   Booger   2016 Sep 27, 4:58pm  

freespeechforever says

men who've sworn never to sleep with women again

Where does Dan sign up?

36   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 4:58pm  

All women have to do to reproduce is roll over and bite the sheets. Nobody has to worry about their evolutionary future. On the other hand, Men.....???

37   thenuttyneutron   2016 Sep 27, 5:09pm  

Ceffer says

All women have to do to reproduce is roll over and bite the sheets. Nobody has to worry about their evolutionary future. On the other hand, Men.....???

They just have to do all the work of raising them and for that I thank them.

38   Y   2016 Sep 27, 8:31pm  

They rose from the smoldering ashes of georgies...led by Lt Dan...(que in YMCA)..

freespeechforever says

The origins of MGTOW are unclear

39   Ceffer   2016 Sep 27, 9:00pm  

If IHLlary started sliding down the poles, Rosie and Huma would leave her.

40   Y   2016 Sep 27, 9:12pm  

I always get stuck on the "double r"...maybe it's a rice krispie wedged beneath the key...

Ceffer says

If IHLlary

Ranina ranina says

as IHLiarry

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