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Ford Cancels U.S. Plant Move To Mexico after Trump

By zzyzzx following x   2016 Nov 14, 6:35pm 4,813 views   36 comments   watch   quote     share    


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Ford Cancels U.S. Plant Move To Mexico After Trump Declares THIS HUGE Threat To Outsourcing

Can it be that “The Donald” is already affecting American policy, without even yet being the Republican nominee?

YES

t sure looks that way, or perhaps it’s just coincidence. However more likely than not, Trump’s constant bashing of Ford moving to Mexico, has apparently been making ripples both within the news media and perhaps among the voting public.

In that there’s something about shinning the light of publicity that has perhaps made those Ford executives a bit uncomfortable, you know like being exposed and naked.

Whatever it is, it seems that a switch has been suddenly turned on and thanks to perhaps “The Donald’s” constant public drumming, the issue of American companies bailing out of the U.S. seems to have caused some long needed reflection on what is happening to America’s industries.

“Astoundingly” Ford’s announcement of outsourcing jobs to Mexico has caused the auto manufacture to suddenly reverse itself and bring the $2,000,000,000 plant back to the United States.

Moreover by moving its facility, originally slated for Mexico, back to the United States, where it will employ 1,000 factory workers in struggling Youngstown, Ohio.

Trump recently said that if he’s elected he would take steps to make it more expensive for manufacturers to shift work to Mexico and then export the items back to the United States.

“How does that help us?” Trump said about the Ford investment in Mexico while campaigning in Michigan this week. “Mexico is becoming the new China.”

#trump #ford #iwogwrong #iwongalacticallywrong

1 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Now if we can only get Ford to ditch their crappy dual clutch "automatic" transmission and put in something good like a regular automatic transmission with a torque converter.

2 freespeechforever   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 14, 6:40pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TPP dead.

Ford abandoning plans to move factories/jobs to Mexico.

Peaceful, constructive relations with Russia.

Trump has not even been sworn in yet.

#Winning (Big League)

3 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2016 Nov 14, 6:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Shareholders again have been RAPED! by COMMUNISM!

Shareholder VALUE! is the only reason AMERICA! exists!

4 P N Dr Lo R   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

dual clutch "automatic" transmission and put in something good like a regular automatic transmission with a torque converter

Complicated crap like this is going to be the early death of these cars. They'll be so expensive to repair when the car is ten years old, it'll never be a decent beater. I think it's called accretion. Once a system is made complicated, there's is no end to its expansion. You had four-speed automatics, so then you had five, then six, then seven and now eight. You got air bags, but now you have air bags here and air bags there and air bags where the sun doesn't shine and like Ed Wallace said since they first came around in 1991, there has never been a six monthe period in which there wasn't some kind of bad press about them. All cars have to have a tire pressure warning light, et al and et al.
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5 iwog   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

freespeechforever says

TPP dead.

Ford abandoning plans to move factories/jobs to Mexico.

Brilliant because the TPP and NAFTA are totally related.

Trump actually does have the power to withdraw from NAFTA and would result in immediate impeachment hearings and conviction.

6 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

P N Dr Lo R says

You got air bags, but now you have air bags here and air bags there and air bags where the sun doesn't shine and like Ed Wallace said since they first came around in 1991

Yeah, but if your air bags don't work, you can at least disconnect them. It's not like you need them.

7 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:56pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Brilliant because the TPP and NAFTA are totally related.

Trump actually does have the power to withdraw from NAFTA and would result in immediate impeachment hearings and conviction.

Your just upset because Trump has already made one of your predictions wrong AGAIN, and hasn't even taken office yet. Perhaps if you actually read Trump's website instead of relying on CNN for information about Trump, you would already know that Trump intends to renegotiate NAFTA, or work withing it's framework to balance trade, or trash NAFTA, if necessary.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/trade/
4. Tell NAFTA partners that we intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that agreement to get a better deal for our workers. If they don’t agree to a renegotiation, we will submit notice that the U.S. intends to withdraw from the deal. Eliminate Mexico’s one-side backdoor tariff through the VAT and end sweatshops in Mexico that undercut U.S. workers.

8 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 6:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

P N Dr Lo R says

I think it's called accretion

An internet search does not confirm this???? I do not doubt that there is a word of phrase for this.

9 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:01pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@zzyzzx - you may want to check the date your good news article was published and than look at the dates on the links below before celebrating too much.

March 7, 2014 — 4:05 PM EST. Ford Motor Co., which plans to cease making the Econoline van later this year, will revive the Ohio factory where the vehicle is made by investing $168 million to move pickup production there from Mexico early in 2015.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-03-07/ford-to-move-pickup-production-from-mexico-to-ohio-van-plant

October 26, 2015 Cincinnati Enquirer 12:41 p.m. Why Donald Trump can't take credit for Ford jobs move
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/10/26/why-donald-trump-cant-take-credit-ford-jobs-move/74624560/

Based on this list there isn't even a Ford manufacturing site in Youngstown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories

Apr 8, 2016 at 9:00AM, Motley Fool - Well, it's official, Ford Motor Company (NYSE:F) announced it would be building a new small-car assembly plant in Mexico -- cue extreme Donald Trump comments, now.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/08/ford-motor-companys-move-to-mexico-isnt-a-new-deve.aspx

Need some more links ?

10 iwog   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Your just upset because Trump has already made one of your predictions wrong AGAIN, and hasn't even taken office yet.

Do you know how weak you look when you take every single thread and attempt to make me the topic? You should ask someone sometime.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Perhaps if you actually read Trump's website instead of relying on CNN for information about Trump, you would already know that Trump intends to renegotiate NAFTA

That's a power he does not have. He cannot unilaterally negotiate a new NAFTA treaty without the cooperation of congress. This is a Republican treaty backed by Republicans for the benefit of some very rich Republicans. You were sold another lie.

11 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

P N Dr Lo R says

They'll be so expensive to repair when the car is ten years old, it'll never be a decent beater.

If you get one with a manual transmission, then that would eliminate that as a point of early failure. Yes, but I suspect that touch screens and infotainment systems will prove to be a much weaker link in a lot of cars. I also wonder how DIY friendly CVT repairs are as well. Yes, I occasionally fix automatic transmissions, but so far they have all been regular 4 speed automatic transmission with lockup type torque converters.

12 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

That's a power he does not have. He cannot unilaterally negotiate a new NAFTA treaty without the cooperation of congress.

You would really need to read the terms of the treaty to see if there is something in the framework or not, but I expect Republicans in congress to cooperate with Trump.

13 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Do you know how weak you look when you take every single thread and attempt to make me the topic?

Do you know how weak you look when you make bold predictions that end up being galactically wrong? Seen the Dow closing number lately? See who won the presidential election or Republican primary?

14 iwog   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 7:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

but I expect Republicans in congress to cooperate with Trump.

Based on all the love and support they gave him during the election?

What makes you think they are going to rewrite the treaty they wrote?

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Do you know how weak you look when you make bold predictions that end up being galactically wrong?

Nope, I don't look weak at all. I look great because most of them come true.

Soooooo I'm wrong on the dow today because of a prediction I made in 2014. Got it!!!

15 P N Dr Lo R   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 8:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

If you get one with a manual transmission, then that would eliminate that as a point of early failure. Yes, but I suspect that touch screens and infotainment systems will prove to be a much weaker link in a lot of cars.

Actually, a manual transmission today is almost impossible to find--and the clutch is considered a wear item like tires and not covered by warranty. Again, on Ed Wallace's show I remember someone calling in with a horror story about their manual shift car with a bad clutch was going to cost in the neighborhood of $3,000 to fix--they were currently wrangling with the dealer to no avail. And any kind of electronics just adds to the complexity and are likely to give trouble. Remember when people used to drive out pleased as punch with radio heater and overdrive?

16 anonymous   ignore (4)   2016 Nov 14, 8:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

P N Dr Lo R says

Complicated crap like this is going to be the early death of these cars. They'll be so expensive to repair when the car is ten years old, it'll never be a decent beater.

i've given up on buying new cars, and have turned to leasing exclusively. depreciation and maintenance cost after your typical loan term ends is just too much to handle vs. a fixed payment without any repair or maintenance bills beyond consumables.

plus, you get the new stuff every 3 years or so. my car has google earth in the dash where the gauges are supposed to be. it's amazing now, but will surely be old-fashioned in 36 months or less.

17 anonymous   ignore (4)   2016 Nov 14, 9:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

If you get one with a manual transmission, then that would eliminate that as a point of early failure.

i like my dual-clutch auto trans, just have to tip in the right way with the pedal. or, put the car in sport mode and just drive a little harder.

had a few modern stick shifts in the recent past, and while they are more engaging they can't really pull everyday duty in populated areas. clutch wears out fast in SoCal traffic conditions, and the labor to repair is gonna cost you no matter what.

18 Call It Crazy   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 14, 9:01pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

Need some more links ?

Nah, I need some more memes and cat pictures.

19 justme   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 14, 9:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Now if we can only get Ford to ditch their crappy dual clutch "automatic" transmission and put in something good like a regular automatic transmission with a torque converter.

I love dual-clutch cogwheel-based (steel-all-the-way-through) automatic transmissions. They are highly efficient. Hydraulic torque converters waste a lot of energy, as is clear from the lousy MPG they get.

Not sure if there is much real data on repair and maintenance costs yet.

I'm happy that Ford changed their mind about the plant. Unlike Republicans and Obama, I want Trump to succeed with policies that are good for the American worker.

20 gsr   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 14, 10:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2015/10/25/trump-falsely-credits-himself-ford-plant/

Saying Donald Trump has a big ego would be as revelatory as saying the sun rises in the east. That Donald Trump exaggerates his accomplishments and downplays his own failures would pretty much make him like the average politician. But there are times when a person’s hubris gets to the point where it reaches the level of the absurd. For Donald Trump, it’s taking credit for a business move made by Ford that he had absolutely nothing to do with. It’s one thing for a person who actually holds office and who is implementing policy to believe their policies have...

21 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 15, 2:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@Justme "I'm happy that Ford changed their mind about the plant" Uh no - they didn't. You better read all the links carefully including this one from a few hours ago.

November 15, 2016 @ 12:39 pm Ford won't change Mexico plans despite Trump tariff threat, Fields says. LOS ANGELES -- Ford Motor Co. CEO Mark Fields said the Trump administration’s potential 35 percent tariff on vehicles imported from Mexico could have a “huge impact” on the U.S. economy, but the automaker has no plans to change its investments in Mexico.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20161115/OEM02/161119905/ford-wont-change-mexico-plans-despite-trump-tariff-threat-fields-says

This was also in today's news: If Trump institutes a 35 percent tariff of Mexican-made vehicles “immediately, it will wreak absolute havoc,” Rebecca Lindland, senior analyst for Kelley Blue Book, said in an interview. “If they have time to plan and rearrange production, it will cause slightly less havoc. But either way, it’s going to be very costly for both consumers and businesses.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-15/ford-ceo-warns-of-big-impact-from-trump-s-proposed-35-tariff

And if you really want to get upset: On Monday, Ford revealed a new EcoSport subcompact SUV that it has sold around the world since 2003 but never in the U.S. Ford plans to import the EcoSport into the U.S. from Chennai, India.
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2016/11/15/ford-ceo-fields-35-tariff-would-impact-us-economy/93674032/

22 jazz_music   ignore (2)   2016 Nov 15, 2:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

I'm wrong on the dow today because of a prediction I made in 2014

And erring on the side of caution is punishable by straw-man epithets and negative assessments of your time on this planet until such time as a hot stock tip is required.

23 Quigley   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 15, 2:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

That's a power he does not have. He cannot unilaterally negotiate a new NAFTA treaty without the cooperation of congress.

Last I checked, Congress went a deep shade of Red. Might be a number of elitist holdouts in there, but chances are he can find some Democrats who enjoy union support to join with him on this.
Get ready for a long ride of being wrong about damn near everything iwog.

24 jazz_music   ignore (2)   2016 Nov 15, 3:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley is deplorable says

Get ready for a long ride of being wrong about damn near everything iwog.

Everything like what? I don't see you offering any predictions of your own.

25 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 15, 4:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

SO Much Winning. It's amazing how much power the people had, and how it took a full court MSM press to beat them down as deplorable racist, sexist, misgynists who deserved everything they got all these years. Until Trump pointed out the Pundits have no Clothes.

I wonder how many thunderously incorrect pundits, like with the Bush Era Neocons, will be allowed to skate along at their jobs.

"You had one job pundit, tell a narrative that turned out to be somewhat more correct than wrong. You failed!"

26 RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 15, 10:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

good now we need Apple to bring both jobs and cash here.

27 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This tweet is from last night:

28 Rashomon   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Except they were never planning to close the plant. They were thinking about moving the production of one model. But hey, what a surprise he's banging away on Twitter making up shite. Very presidential. It's bizarre that he still feels the need to so blatantly lie.

29 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@zzyzzx - Try harder. The Louisville plant was not slated to close anyway. In its 2015 agreement with the UAW, Ford committed $700 million in investments there over the next four years, although the deal said the current MKC “will balance out to allow capacity for Escape.” Relocating was being "considered" (just like Foxconn is "considering" to build stuff in the U.S. for Apple) at the end of the contract in 2019.

Ford employs about 4,700 people at its plant in Louisville. The vast majority of the vehicles built at the plant are Escape SUVs. It also has a separate truck plant in Louisville, where it builds pickups and larger SUVs.

Ford currently makes both the Ford Escape compact SUV and the MKC in Louisville. Ford said last year it planned to move MKC production to another plant so it could increase production of the Escape. The automaker said at the time no jobs would be lost in Louisville because of plans to boost Escape production.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2016/11/18/ford-tells-trump-keep-lincoln-mkc-kentucky/94062840/

The president-elect appeared to take some credit for the decision on Twitter.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20161117/OEM01/161119840/ford-says-lincoln-mkc-production-will-stay-in-kentucky-not-move-to

Much ado about very little news that Trump is trying to morph into more than it is.

30 zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Rashomon says

They were thinking about moving the production of one model.

Yeah, to Mexico.

31 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Key words - "thinking" and "considering" - just like the FoxConn / Apple story. The sales volume of the MKC is no where near that of the Escape. Keep trying.

Just checked - Alex Jones of "Infowars" claims a Trump victory on this one so it must be true ! No doubt Rushbo will be confirming.

32 Rashomon   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 4:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

zzyzzx is sad says

Rashomon says

They were thinking about moving the production of one model.

Yeah, to Mexico.

Thinking about rejigging production lines is not the same as closing a plant no matter how much you and Trump would like to spin it.

33 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 5:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fuck apple and their fanboyz club.
Time to invade and conquer Samsung and bring android production to the US of A.

Mark D says

good now we need Apple to bring both jobs and cash here.

34 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 5:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This is true grass roots rebuilding...

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Trumpligutard would claim credit for delivery of a pizza, if it made a news reader burp on the evening news.

35 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 18, 5:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Talk about rebuilding - wait until the Freedom Caucus throws a monkey wrench in the Donald's well laid plans. This may be more entertaining than the last time the Government was shut down.

Wonder if he will tweet and take credit for a Government Shutdown ?


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