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Patrick says

Where was the press when she did that, and why can't they seem to remember it now?

IRAQ has WMD?
~4500 dead american servicemen.

Hillary Clinton:

Anti-Free Speech

Pro ANY War

Anti Freedom to Marry (DOMA)

Pro Unfair Trade (TPP)

LOVED by Wall Street & Defense Industry

Just like all neocons

HEY YOU says

IRAQ has WMD?

~4500 dead american servicemen

Hillary supported that too.

Maybe there's a difference ? First off, she is cosponsoring with whom ? And why ?

Two, it's not like she's announcing to the world it's a huge issue for her, and also look at the details. This law says nothing about burning a flag that you bought, in a peaceful protest.

Trump is way more general (see the difference ?), and he's tweeting to the world.

Patrick says

Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands, and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag.

Details, details.

Not that I don't think that law is dangerous, or possibly not if the fine print further makes it primarily tied to and only a crime if it's clearly about inciting violence. Did Hilary know that this law could not pass, but cosponsor in order to get help on a bill related to a pet issue that could pass ?

Some people don't realize how convoluted congressional politics can get. For all we know, Hillary was pressured to cosponsor this to make sure that the republican dominated congress would not ever even vote on it.

If you start using this phrase to justify any position your taking, it opens the door for everyone and then nothing is defendable...

marcus says

For all we know,

Patrick says

Where was the press when she did that, and why can't they seem to remember it now?

It's only undemocratic and the act of Tyranny when populists do it. Otherwise it's smart center-right triangulation for the win!

Ranina ranina says

If you start using this phrase to justify any position your taking

You are right, if it was the only argument I was making.

But this was in support of about one third and the least compelling part of my explanation of why Hillary's cosponsorship a congressional bill was different. It should go without saying that it's less than even a hand waving argument. But it does address something that some of us understand about the way "sausage is made."

And as usual, NPR was full of shit within moments of my starting to listen to it again today.

This time is was that Trump is "anti-democratic". WTF? What could be more democratic than getting democratically elected?

If they mean people who are upset when democracy works and demand recounts without any basis, and protest and riot against democracy... well, that is obviously the Hillary supporters.

Yep, If the election was determined solely by popular vote, Trump would have spent inordinate amount of time in California and New York, and played up his inclusive principles, moderation, and positive outlook. He'd still be the same on DC-initiated Hyper-Globalization and deindustrialization.

www.youtube.com/embed/6M9tJa5ffrQ

Paris Swade for Liberty Writers reports, Donald Trump has been eating up headlines again! He has called for the practice of burning American flags to be designated a criminal offense. Liberals got mad at this they are claiming that it violates free speech. Donald J.

Patrick says

Flag Protection Act of 2005 - Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; (2) intentionally threatening or intimidating any person, or group of persons, by burning a U.S. flag; or (3) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag belonging to the United States, or belonging to another person on U.S. lands , and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag.

This country has become a bunch of childlike illiterate morons.

Patrick says

knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag

WTF is "converting the use" of a flag?

rando says

rando says

knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag

WTF is "converting the use" of a flag?

Sewing it into a skirt or some such, apron etc. The flag is to be used as a flag, that's it.

Patrick says

Where was the press when she did that, and why can't they seem to remember it now?

The NYTimes said hillary was in "full pander mode" when she co sponsored the flag bill. In 2005 papers all over the country criticized her for the co sponsoring bill. I even read about it while living overseas, probably in the economist. Why would you believe there was no coverage in 2005? Other than the right wing echo chamber says so?

Where did hillary support flag burning since 2005? Did she respond to trumps tweet saying she supporting flag burning now? Seems like hillary and trump are on the same page on this issue. Is there a point here of any kind?

You and tbp really need a hobby other than obsessing about hillary 24/7.

Patrick says

Where was the press when she did that, and why can't they seem to remember it now?

Pure hypocrisy. The fact is that Hillary would have been at least as bad as Trump, if not worse, on civil rights. Trump says a lot of bad things, but Hillary has done a lot of bad things.