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On the self-extermination of liberal American Jews

By someone else following x   2016 Dec 22, 7:51pm 4,820 views   35 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Ran across an interesting article at http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48899452.html about the ongoing decline in the number of liberal American Jews:

Not much detective work is needed to discover the impulse behind these rejections of traditional Jewish teachings. In order to welcome Jews who live in unconventional family arrangements, and in particular to eliminate any negative judgment of gays and lesbians, the rabbis have rushed to scuttle what Judaism has always held about the centrality of marriage. They have done so, moreover, largely in order to address the discomfort, real or imagined, of the 1 or 2 percent of the Jewish population that is gay or lesbian, slighting their duty to instruct the other 98 percent on the Jewish understanding of sexuality and family. The same drive to offer hospitality at any cost ― together with a rote allegiance to the supposed legacy of the civil-rights movement and the demands of "equality" ― motivates the several hundred rabbis who now officiate at so-called interweddings.

They contrast this to increases in the numbers of religious Jews, who marry early and have lots of children. Religious Jews also strongly reject homosexuality, feminism, and intermarriage exactly because those things reduce the number of Jews in the future. (Or because "God says so" which amounts to the same thing in effect.)

The Jews are a representative microcosm of US society, and western society overall. Holding overly liberal values results in self-extermination in the long run.

1   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2016 Dec 22, 8:11pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is what happens when you allow the Dworkin Golem to reign supreme.

2   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 22, 8:21pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Imaging what would happen if Reform Rabbis started preaching Jewish female fertility.

"Oh my Gawwwwwd, how sexist and backward you are! I'm literally shaking right now!", 3/4 of the female congregation would stomp out.

3   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:24pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

They would stomp out and remain alone and childless in their middle and old age.

Feminists are at war with biology itself.

4   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 22, 8:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Speaking of feminists, did you ever go into a gay guy's house and see dick statues, dick pillows, dick art, and dick shirts everywhere? Maybe a bare ass picture here or there, but never dicks all over the place.

What is with feminists and vaginas?

5   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

3/4 of the female congregation would stomp out.

I guess, but close to 50% of the Jewish girls I saw at Emory, while smart, were about the Mrs. degree anyway

6   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

They would stomp out and remain alone and childless in their middle and old age

most Jewish girls, even areligious, secular types aren't Sarah Silverman, although, it is worth noting that Jewish women are instrumental in the feminism movement from its early roots to today

7   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

What is with feminists and vaginas?

Compensation for perceived loss. All "pride" movements are really about shame.

8   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

did you ever go into a gay guy's house and see dick statues

Once, a friend in college, had an uncle who was gay who had just that.

9   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 22, 8:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Holding overly liberal values results in self-extermination in the long run.

Liberal Jews, in general, have money, so they can often freeze their eggs and pay for IVF

10   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 22, 8:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Compensation for perceived loss. All "pride" movements are really about shame.

Interesting!

MMR says

Once, a friend in college, had an uncle who was gay who had just that.

The exception that proves the rule :)

How about, how many MRA's and MGTOW's have penis paraphrenalia all over their place?

MMR says

Liberal Jews, in general, have money, so they can often freeze their eggs and pay for IVF

True, but they still don't have the kids in the end.

11   Booger   ignore (1)   2016 Dec 23, 4:57am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

In NYC, the St. Patrick's Day and Gay Pride Parades started for essentially the same reasons, and have become two of the three largest (probably THE two largest) in the city

And the reason you know so much about the gay pride parade in NYC is?

12   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2016 Dec 23, 5:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So in the end Liberals were Hitler they killed the Jews.

13   dublin hillz   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

intermarriage exactly because those things reduce the number of Jews in the future

For a jew to be forced to marry another jew to increase "the number of jews in the future" is to be treated worse than cattle without free will. The alarmists over there truly have a monopoly on novella drama - so many people are worse than hitler - those who drink alcohol, those who don't follow certain traditions, those who marry "gentiles", etc. Maybe if certain structural issues weren't present in the community, they wouldn't have to worry about the "numbers" going forward. A small step would be to stop the segregated cemeteries in the most undesirable part of the graveyard....

14   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

how many MRA's and MGTOW's have penis paraphrenalia all over their place?

Don't know, I've only heard about it here and YouTube lol

15   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 9:37am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says

And the reason you know so much about the gay pride parade in NYC is?

I mentioned two NYC Parades, both of which I've been to countless times, but it appears that only one of the parades interests you. They aren't secret societies, they are parades, with histories that are well documented. The Ancient Order of Hibernians and Heritage of Pride have websites, you can read all about them instead of hiding behind a pseudonym and furtively asking strangers.

16   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

True, but they still don't have the kids in the end.

Some do and some don't but most Jewish girls, other than the Sarah Silberman and Gertrude Stein types, do get married eventually and have kids...if they live in NYC, depending on finances, they either stay in city or move to Long Island, Westchester or North Jersey....

Some move to other metro areas soon after college.

Just my experience of going to a school that was 30% Jewish for 4 years and following up over last 20 years ...70% from Northeast/Mid-Atlantic/Florida

17   Gary Anderson   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 10:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh is this the new Breitbart intolerance anti Semitic thread?

18   Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 10:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Think thats bad, Marx and Alinsky were Jewish - thanks for the socialism, it worked out great!

19   Gary Anderson   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 10:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Entitlemented says

Think thats bad, Marx and Alinsky were Jewish - thanks for the socialism, it worked out great!

So without Alinsky and Steinbeck, Fred Ross would not have been inspired to change the lives of farmworkers. Their conditions were miserable.

20   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2016 Dec 23, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Time to merge the polygamist Mormon cults with the Children of Israel. Getting the Book of Mormon and the Torah to track is gonna be a bitch.

21   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 11:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm just saying there is a choice to be made. The choice of extreme individual liberty at the expense of traditional values will result in the self-extermination of the society.

Traditional values were not made up at random. Whether or not you like them, those are the ones that worked to keep the society alive down to the present day. That's how they became traditional.

If everyone lives entirely for themselves, and for now, that's great for them, and for now. But there will be no future. Eventually a society with less political correctness will invade and take over.

22   dublin hillz   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 11:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

If everyone lives entirely for themselves, and for now, that's great for them, and for now. But there will be no future. Eventually a society with less political correctness will invade and take over.

There's nothing to prevent a society with extreme individual liberty from having a strong military, in fact it is a requirement. That will deter a society with less PC from being able to accomplish much in terms of invasion. Right now, we own the skies and pick off terrorists in their pickup trucks like insects in the yard.

23   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 23, 11:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Entitlemented says

Think thats bad, Marx and Alinsky were Jewish - thanks for the socialism, it worked out great!

So were Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard. Damn Commies!

Marx wasn't Jewish, his father converted to Lutheranism and was a devoted German Nationalist. But maybe you mean "That doesn't stop his genetic Jew-poison". Engels was a 100% German Aryan Christian Pietist, and was responsible for editing and co-authoring much of Marxism, as well as supporting him Financially.

Stalin and Beria were Georgians.

It's the Pietist Plot!

Oops, looks like those Jewish Communist-Capitalists are stealing our potatoes, poisoning the well, giving us the stink eye and making Prize Cow Stokrotka run dry again!

Controlling all the Big Banks, while running the NKVD death squads at the same time.

Is there no final solution?

24   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 23, 11:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dublin hillz says

There's nothing to prevent a society with extreme individual liberty from having a strong military, in fact it is a requirement. That will deter a society with less PC from being able to accomplish much in terms of invasion. Right now, we own the skies and pick off terrorists in their pickup trucks like insects in the yard.

Having a strong military doesn't stop a supremacist minority that grows into a majority, refusing to assimilate and insisting their religion and mindset is superior to "Westtoxification Infidel Values" from taking over from the inside.

"We don't want democracy, we want Islam!"

25   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 23, 12:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

rando says

All "pride" movements are really about shame.

You seem to revert to that, but you don't really understand people at all. In NYC, the St. Patrick's Day and Gay Pride Parades started for essentially the same reasons

I think I understand the parade pretty well at least. I'm half Irish and love Ireland, but the place was completely fucked for a very long time. It was a source of shame for its failures: repeated military losses to the English, poverty, famine, mass emigration and loss of the land, the original culture, and the language. Ireland is in many ways simply "West Britain" now and probably will never recover even its language. Still didn't get complete independence and unification.

There would be no need for a parade to show pride in a successful culture.

26   curious2   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 26, 7:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

The choice of extreme individual liberty at the expense of traditional values will result in the self-extermination of the society

You seem to assume that everyone wants to live exactly the same way. You don't seem to understand that different people want different things.

rando says

I think I understand the parade pretty well at least.

Of course you think so, but you misunderstand it. If ever a city could be called shameless, surely New York would be. The parades in New York celebrate unity and triumph over adversity, success in the new world, and victories. Ticker tape parades welcome victorious armies, much as other cities have done (without ticker tape) for millenia.

BTW, I read with interest the AOH website:

"AOH History

In the Beginning
The Protestant Reformation that swept Europe in the 16th century was marked by Royal intrigues over control of the Roman Church’s wealth, and conflicts over which religion could be practiced. Violence erupted in many countries. Elizabeth I declared the Church of England to be the State religion, and considered Ireland part of her state. Most Irish did not agree. The Papacy launched a counter-reformation and Ireland became a battlefield between the two forces as the Irish, who embraced the Church introduced by St. Patrick, became the target of a campaign to reduce Rome’s power by converting the masses to Protestantism. The persistence with which the Irish clung to their religion drove the English to extremes in repression."

IOW, although you blame the English, it would be more accurate to blame St. Patrick for subjecting Ireland to Vatican control, which the Irish insisted on continuing, to their cost. The terrible costs included the infamous laundries, molestations, fighting, etc. The Irish should rather have stuck with paganism, or returned to it, and told the English to take their silly churches.

Go to these parades, and ask the people why they are there. They have many reasons, but shame isn't among them.

27   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2016 Dec 27, 8:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

I mentioned two NYC Parades, both of which I've been to countless times

28   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 27, 10:26am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

rando says

The choice of extreme individual liberty at the expense of traditional values will result in the self-extermination of the society

You seem to assume that everyone wants to live exactly the same way. You don't seem to understand that different people want different things.

OK, you're right. The portion of any society that embraces extreme individuality is the portion that will self-exterminate. So for example, there will eventually be only conservative and orthodox Jews left. The "different people" simply won't exist as Jews because they do not reproduce and maintain the culture.

29   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 28, 12:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

I'm half Irish and love Ireland, but the place was completely fucked for a very long time

During the holidays I picked up a book at Barnes & Noble "Lost Ireland 1860-1960" because I like the 19th century, it's architecture and gas lighting, et al. It was so depressing, though, because it would show photo after photo of these gorgeous mansions, many built in the late 18th century, added on to in the 19th, with gorgeous interiors and photos from the late 19th or early 20th century showing their occupants on the lawns, only to end up saying "the house was burned during the Trouble of 1922 or 1923" or it was burned at some other time or today is in ruins. It had photos of street scenes from the late 19th and early 20th centuries with the most charming buildings and shops, streets so clean you could eat off them and what looked like happy, productive people only to end up saying these lovely buildings were replaced by a bland mall with no character or parking lot today. During this time a friend of over 40 years who lives in Bangor, County Down, (Holywood) called for a catch-up visit and I asked him about this history and he told me about the controversies with the English and how these country homes represented what they considered the heavy hand of Britain, so they were demolished. He also told me about the evictions, one of which was depicted in a photo from probably the early 1900's. He consoled me by saying there are still many old homes left, but I hated seeing what had once been. A lovely mansion called Powerscourt and restored to perfection, then accidentally burned in 1974 when a wood beam in one of the chimneys caught the place on fire. It was thought to have been extinguished but re-kindled during the night, burning the structure leaving only a shell.

30   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2016 Dec 28, 1:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why should Jewish religion and ethnicity be considered unique or special, or "exceptional"?

How iare Jews different from other religious and ethnic groups in America?

There is also a steady decline of Americans who identify themselves as Norwegian Lutherans as "liberal" Norwegian Lutherans in America shed their inhertited ethnicity and dogmatic religious views.

31   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2016 Dec 28, 1:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says

Why should Jewish religion and ethnicity be considered unique or special, or "exceptional"?

I agree. So why do YOU support Kerry singling out Israel as a Jewish state, but not France as a French State or Denmark, Norway or Finland for State Sponsorship of Lutheranism?

Double Standard much?

32   dublin hillz   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 28, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

OK, you're right. The portion of any society that embraces extreme individuality is the portion that will self-exterminate. So for example, there will eventually be only conservative and orthodox Jews left. The "different people" simply won't exist as Jews because they do not reproduce and maintain the culture.

Negative - there's no greater recruiting/conversion tool for liberalism than conservative parenting style!

33   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 28, 9:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dublin hillz says

rando says

OK, you're right. The portion of any society that embraces extreme individuality is the portion that will self-exterminate. So for example, there will eventually be only conservative and orthodox Jews left. The "different people" simply won't exist as Jews because they do not reproduce and maintain the culture.

Negative - there's no greater recruiting/conversion tool for liberalism than conservative parenting style!

For most people, I would be inclined to agree , but generally untrue for ultra Orthodox Jews

34   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 28, 9:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

tovarichpeter says

Why should Jewish religion and ethnicity be considered unique or special, or "exceptional"?

I agree. So why do YOU support Kerry singling out Israel as a Jewish state, but not France as a French State or Denmark, Norway or Finland for State Sponsorship of Lutheranism?

Double Standard much?

His middle name, how ever did you manage to guess?





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