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CA-DUI for driving under influence of caffeine??


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2016 Dec 24, 3:35pm   3,128 views  16 comments

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/24/california-dui-caffeine-lawsuit-solano-county

There are no studies that demonstrate that driving is impaired by caffeine, because no one cares about caffeine, said a forensic toxicologist.

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1   Patrick   2016 Dec 24, 5:15pm  

Lol! Most likely explanation is that he simply pissed of the wrong driver:

Shcwab was driving home from work when he was pulled over by an agent from the California department of alcoholic beverage control, who was driving an unmarked vehicle. The agent said Schwab had cut her off and was driving erratically.

If that's the case, seems like an abuse of power by the agent.

3   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 4:59pm  

Fire, water, and government know nothing of mercy.
4   RWSGFY   2017 Oct 23, 6:21pm  

Stopping for an unmarked car is never wise. Calling 911 and driving to the nearest police station seems like better option. At least there will be more witnesses and everything will be recorded.
5   WookieMan   2017 Oct 23, 6:27pm  

KimJongUn says
Stopping for an unmarked car is never wise. Calling 911 and driving to the nearest police station seems like better option. At least there will be more witnesses and everything will be recorded.

I agree with this tip. Just make sure to call 911 quickly if you don't plan to pull over right away. You get the random overzealous cop and things can turn south quickly if you're not pulling over. Need to get 911 operator in their ear to back off and have them understand what you're doing.
6   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 6:39pm  

Some Americans may have felt uneasy 35 years ago when DUI laws, DWI checkpoints, seatbelt laws, and car liability insurance laws were started, but most people felt that the experts must be right.

Pro-police state shows like "COPS" and "America's Most Wanted" were then aired, neighborhood watch groups were formed, "get tough on crime" candidates were elected, and laws allowing mandatory minimums, IMBRA, 3 strikes laws, curfews, police militarization, teen boot camps, private prisons, and chain gangs were enacted.

Nanny state smoking laws then started appearing.

When 9/11 happened, the Patriot Act was passed, NSA wiretapping, no knock raids, take down notices, no fly lists, terror watch lists, Constitution free zones, stop and frisk, kill switches, National Security Letters, DNA databases, kill lists, FBAR, FATCA, Operation Chokepoint, TSA groping, civil forfeiture, CIA torture, NDAA indefinite detention, secret FISA courts, FEMA camps, laws requiring passports for domestic travel, IRS laws denying passports for tax debts, gun and ammo stockpiles, laws outlawing protesting, Jade Helm, sneak and peek warrants, policing for profit, no refusal blood checkpoints, license plate readers, redlight cameras, speed cameras, FBI facial and voice recognition, tattoo databases, gun bans, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, searches without warrants, CISPA, SOPA, private prison quotas, sex offender registration laws, and sex offender restriction laws were allowed.

Now that the USA is a total police state, Americans are finding out that changing anything is impossible and that freedom is lost forever.
7   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 7:35pm  

anonymous says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

99.9% of all police stops are resolved within minutes and you are free to continue on about your day. This is not a "total police state". When you see an example of a man being charged with nothing but caffeine in his system, it is a mistake. A clerical error. A rookie cop who did something stupid. There are 100 million other traffic violations where caffeine was totally ignored right? So 1 in 100 million traffic violations resulted in a stupid charge which will be dropped before a trial is ordered. POLICE STATE!!!!!!
8   WookieMan   2017 Oct 23, 7:54pm  

anonymous says
WookieMan says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

Not sure where you got that quote. Seems a little dishonest. Not anything I've said.
9   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 8:02pm  

You know that you live in a police state when everything is illegal and you have no rights.

You have no free speech rights, religious rights, gun rights, there is civil forfeiture, the government wiretaps your phone, records your web history, reads your email, takes away your right to silence, can torture you, and can extrajudicuallly assassinate you.

Your taxes fund illegal immigrants, debt, endless wars, curfews, checkpoints, no fly lists, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA laws, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm.

http://www.desototimes.com/opinion/columns_editorials/we-re-all-inmates-in-the-american-police-state/article_e81415aa-16c8-11e5-8c24-bbaf57c99d50.html
http://blog.pennlive.com/capitol-notebook/2015/03/adios_land_of_the_free_-_new_s.html
http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/george-will-when-everything-is-a-crime/article_5b97f1cf-5168-59c2-99ce-8540d5ce6182.html
http://nevadanewsandviews.com/welcome-to-post-constitutional-america/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tsa-begins-testing-fingerprint-check-082000663.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-california-fighting-caffeine-dui-192312988.html
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2017/4/7/345647/Tennessee-Supreme-Court-Upholds-Police.aspx
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2015/12/judge_orders_man_arrested_for.html?ath=57736eac0e2c3addf91479a82deb9e5d
http://www.telegram.com/news/20160505/woman-arrested-for-staying-silent-during-traffic-stop-sues
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article153373524.html
http://libertarian.forumbuild.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4
10   WookieMan   2017 Oct 23, 8:06pm  

anonymous says
WookieMan says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

@Patrick Not sure where this quote came from. Looking at the URL's for quoted comments I'm guessing you might be able to grab my comment "number" from a different post and then attribute the quote to another user? This is a nasty flaw if I'm correct in what I'm observing. I did not say anything of the sort in this quote and wouldn't. Police have their flaws, but I do my share of illicit activities and have zero problems getting away with it. A police state wouldn't allow me to do that.
11   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 8:12pm  

Most people support the police state until they become a victim of it.
12   Patrick   2017 Oct 23, 9:16pm  

He quoted another anonymous user, then edited the quote to make it look like you said that. I changed the original comment to make it anonymous, not attributed to you.
13   anonymous   2017 Oct 23, 9:22pm  

anonymous says
Most people support the police state until they become a victim of it.


How many caffeine police state victims do you estimate there being in America? 1 out of 350 million and his victimhood is going to be eliminated at the first court appearance?
14   Ceffer   2017 Oct 24, 1:26am  

"There are situations where a driver has a BAC that is zero or is below 0.08 percent and he or she may still be arrested on suspicion of DUI. The PAS device that is used as an investigative tool by officers on patrol can only measure the presence of alcohol in a person’s system. Under the law, an individual can also be charged with driving under the influence of drugs under California Vehicle Code Section 23152(e) or driving under the combined influence of alcohol and drugs in violation of California Vehicle Code Section 23152(f). Even though the driver may have a negative PAS result, the office may suspect that the driver is under the influence of another intoxicating substance. The officer may perform field sobriety tests on the driver in order to determine if there are signs of impairment. In addition, the officer may call in a drug recognition expert (“DRE”), who has received specialized training in recognizing the signs of drug intoxication."

It is still possible to be convicted even without a positive blood test. Apparently, the issue is whether the license is automatically suspended or not with a positive blood alcohol. There is no immediate suspension without the positive blood alcohol, but there can still be conviction and suspension with a trial.

People can be stoned on all manner of drugs, the tests are not comprehensive for absolutely everything, so behavior and field tests can still result in a conviction, though it will be harder.
15   Shaman   2017 Oct 24, 6:50am  

We will all be better off when cars are all driverless. Even when they aren’t drunk or high or amped up on coffee and blow, people are stunningly bad at driving, and I see the proof of this every day.
16   anonymous   2017 Oct 24, 8:33am  

Quigley says
We will all be better off when cars are all driverless. Even when they aren’t drunk or high or amped up on coffee and blow, people are stunningly bad at driving, and I see the proof of this every day.


A thousand times this

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