CA-DUI for driving under influence of caffeine??
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CA-DUI for driving under influence of caffeine??

By anonymous following x   2016 Dec 24, 3:35pm 890 views   22 comments   watch   quote     share    


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/24/california-dui-caffeine-lawsuit-solano-county

There are no studies that demonstrate that driving is impaired by caffeine, because no one cares about caffeine, said a forensic toxicologist.

1   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Dec 24, 5:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Lol! Most likely explanation is that he simply pissed of the wrong driver:

Shcwab was driving home from work when he was pulled over by an agent from the California department of alcoholic beverage control, who was driving an unmarked vehicle. The agent said Schwab had cut her off and was driving erratically.

If that's the case, seems like an abuse of power by the agent.

2   freespeak   ignore (5)   2017 Oct 15, 8:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.
4   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 4:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Fire, water, and government know nothing of mercy.
5   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 23, 6:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Stopping for an unmarked car is never wise. Calling 911 and driving to the nearest police station seems like better option. At least there will be more witnesses and everything will be recorded.
6   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 23, 6:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

KimJongUn says
Stopping for an unmarked car is never wise. Calling 911 and driving to the nearest police station seems like better option. At least there will be more witnesses and everything will be recorded.

I agree with this tip. Just make sure to call 911 quickly if you don't plan to pull over right away. You get the random overzealous cop and things can turn south quickly if you're not pulling over. Need to get 911 operator in their ear to back off and have them understand what you're doing.
7   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Some Americans may have felt uneasy 35 years ago when DUI laws, DWI checkpoints, seatbelt laws, and car liability insurance laws were started, but most people felt that the experts must be right.

Pro-police state shows like "COPS" and "America's Most Wanted" were then aired, neighborhood watch groups were formed, "get tough on crime" candidates were elected, and laws allowing mandatory minimums, IMBRA, 3 strikes laws, curfews, police militarization, teen boot camps, private prisons, and chain gangs were enacted.

Nanny state smoking laws then started appearing.

When 9/11 happened, the Patriot Act was passed, NSA wiretapping, no knock raids, take down notices, no fly lists, terror watch lists, Constitution free zones, stop and frisk, kill switches, National Security Letters, DNA databases, kill lists, FBAR, FATCA, Operation Chokepoint, TSA groping, civil forfeiture, CIA torture, NDAA indefinite detention, secret FISA courts, FEMA camps, laws requiring passports for domestic travel, IRS laws denying passports for tax debts, gun and ammo stockpiles, laws outlawing protesting, Jade Helm, sneak and peek warrants, policing for profit, no refusal blood checkpoints, license plate readers, redlight cameras, speed cameras, FBI facial and voice recognition, tattoo databases, gun bans, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, searches without warrants, CISPA, SOPA, private prison quotas, sex offender registration laws, and sex offender restriction laws were allowed.

Now that the USA is a total police state, Americans are finding out that changing anything is impossible and that freedom is lost forever.
8   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

99.9% of all police stops are resolved within minutes and you are free to continue on about your day. This is not a "total police state". When you see an example of a man being charged with nothing but caffeine in his system, it is a mistake. A clerical error. A rookie cop who did something stupid. There are 100 million other traffic violations where caffeine was totally ignored right? So 1 in 100 million traffic violations resulted in a stupid charge which will be dropped before a trial is ordered. POLICE STATE!!!!!!
9   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 23, 7:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says
WookieMan says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

Not sure where you got that quote. Seems a little dishonest. Not anything I've said.
10   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 8:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You know that you live in a police state when everything is illegal and you have no rights.

You have no free speech rights, religious rights, gun rights, there is civil forfeiture, the government wiretaps your phone, records your web history, reads your email, takes away your right to silence, can torture you, and can extrajudicuallly assassinate you.

Your taxes fund illegal immigrants, debt, endless wars, curfews, checkpoints, no fly lists, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA laws, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm.

http://www.desototimes.com/opinion/columns_editorials/we-re-all-inmates-in-the-american-police-state/article_e81415aa-16c8-11e5-8c24-bbaf57c99d50.html
http://blog.pennlive.com/capitol-notebook/2015/03/adios_land_of_the_free_-_new_s.html
http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/george-will-when-everything-is-a-crime/article_5b97f1cf-5168-59c2-99ce-8540d5ce6182.html
http://nevadanewsandviews.com/welcome-to-post-constitutional-america/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tsa-begins-testing-fingerprint-check-082000663.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/as_trial_ends_surreal_scene_le.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-california-fighting-caffeine-dui-192312988.html
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2017/4/7/345647/Tennessee-Supreme-Court-Upholds-Police.aspx
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2015/12/judge_orders_man_arrested_for.html?ath=57736eac0e2c3addf91479a82deb9e5d
http://www.telegram.com/news/20160505/woman-arrested-for-staying-silent-during-traffic-stop-sues
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article153373524.html
http://libertarian.forumbuild.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4
11   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 23, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says
WookieMan says
Now that the USA is a total police state


When you use insane hyperbole rhetoric like this, you make it impossible to describe real police states such as North Korea or Cuba where you can be arrested for no reason, tried for no reason, and convicted for no reason and you have no recourse.

@Patrick Not sure where this quote came from. Looking at the URL's for quoted comments I'm guessing you might be able to grab my comment "number" from a different post and then attribute the quote to another user? This is a nasty flaw if I'm correct in what I'm observing. I did not say anything of the sort in this quote and wouldn't. Police have their flaws, but I do my share of illicit activities and have zero problems getting away with it. A police state wouldn't allow me to do that.
12   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 8:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Most people support the police state until they become a victim of it.
13   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 23, 9:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

He quoted another anonymous user, then edited the quote to make it look like you said that. I changed the original comment to make it anonymous, not attributed to you.
14   anonymous   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 9:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anonymous says
Most people support the police state until they become a victim of it.


How many caffeine police state victims do you estimate there being in America? 1 out of 350 million and his victimhood is going to be eliminated at the first court appearance?
15   oil   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 23, 11:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Americans are so fearful, brainwashed, dependent, or ignorant that they think like children and justify every law and overlook every abuse carried out by the government. They believe government workers are gods who can do no wrong.

Americans are so fat, degraded, and drugged up that they eagerly allow themselves to be molested to ride a bus, offer their fingerprints to get a driver license, and open their bags to be searched so they can ride a subway.

If Americans are asked about the US debt, they respond that it doesn't matter because it is not real money and doesn't need to be paid back. Americans think that they live in a free country if they can get away with breaking laws. Americans say the police should be allowed to shoot people in the back. Americans believe people should be jailed for filming public buildings. Americans think endless wars are fine because US bombs are just gathering dust. Americans support government secrecy because the USA has enemies. Americans think taxes create more jobs than the free market can. Americans think government workers deserve high wages because they work hard. Americans think the economy should be destroyed to save the environment. Americans say that regulations encourage people to start companies. Americans think everyone accused of crimes are guilty. Americans say people should be in prison to keep the unemployment rate down. Americans would rather increase punishments for victimless nanny state laws instead of repealing them. Americans think the desires of neighbors are more important than the rights of property owners. Americans believe the government owns everything because the government is the people. Americans think billboards should be banned to protect the scenery. Americans want protesting to be outlawed because protesters might break windows. Americans think forcing people to stand for the national anthem means freedom. Americans think people are helpless so they need the government to force them to do everything.

When asked about gun control, Americans say it's needed for safety. If asked about free speech, Americans respond that no one should be offended. Americans think Muslims don't have religious rights because Islam is not a religion. Americans say asset forfeiture is fine because the police have been doing it for years. Americans defend NSA wiretapping because it's just metadata. Americans believe TSA groping is good since they have nothing to hide. Americans say torture is okay because other countries do it. Americans even say the Bill of Rights should be abolished because George Washington owned slaves!

The US is so degraded now that any Americans who oppose wars, debt, and tyranny will be called traitors, nutjobs, racists, Communists, or Fascists.

The collapse of the USA is disgusting and shameful.

Those who still support the government are just tools for the elites.

The US deserves everything coming to it.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Prisoners
16   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 24, 1:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"There are situations where a driver has a BAC that is zero or is below 0.08 percent and he or she may still be arrested on suspicion of DUI. The PAS device that is used as an investigative tool by officers on patrol can only measure the presence of alcohol in a person’s system. Under the law, an individual can also be charged with driving under the influence of drugs under California Vehicle Code Section 23152(e) or driving under the combined influence of alcohol and drugs in violation of California Vehicle Code Section 23152(f). Even though the driver may have a negative PAS result, the office may suspect that the driver is under the influence of another intoxicating substance. The officer may perform field sobriety tests on the driver in order to determine if there are signs of impairment. In addition, the officer may call in a drug recognition expert (“DRE”), who has received specialized training in recognizing the signs of drug intoxication."

It is still possible to be convicted even without a positive blood test. Apparently, the issue is whether the license is automatically suspended or not with a positive blood alcohol. There is no immediate suspension without the positive blood alcohol, but there can still be conviction and suspension with a trial.

People can be stoned on all manner of drugs, the tests are not comprehensive for absolutely everything, so behavior and field tests can still result in a conviction, though it will be harder.
17   oil   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 24, 2:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty.
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Oct 24, 6:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

We will all be better off when cars are all driverless. Even when they aren’t drunk or high or amped up on coffee and blow, people are stunningly bad at driving, and I see the proof of this every day.
19   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 24, 8:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
We will all be better off when cars are all driverless. Even when they aren’t drunk or high or amped up on coffee and blow, people are stunningly bad at driving, and I see the proof of this every day.


A thousand times this
20   oil   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 24, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

One wonders if driverless cars ever have accidents.
21   oil   ignore (4)   2017 Oct 24, 10:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Love your country but fear its government.

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