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More evidence Trump is secretly in the pocket of Wall Street. We all know how much Wall Street Banks hated TPP.

https://www.districtsentinel.com/chief-obama-trade-negotiator-can-get-votes-t-p-p/

Where the chief negotiator for TPP under Obama just happened to be Michael Froman, the same Citigroup Executive that vetted Obama's Cabinet, and was bragging about passing TPP just prior to Election Day back when Hillary was gonna win by a landslide.

So far, so MAGA!

If Hilalry had won-Obama and the repub congress would have rushed the TPP through and we would be a TPP country . Why do the lefties vote for Hilalry?

Now the left will talk about how great the TPP would have been and Trump ruined it following their logic.

"Now the left will talk about how great the TPP would have been and Trump ruined it following their logic"

This has to be literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Free trade is had has ALWAYS been a core belief of conservatives. It has been in every Republican platform for the last 50 years (?) until Trump. Pretty much EVERY Republican Congressman has been 100% behind free trade. The most conservative. The most moderate. Doesn't matter. If there's an (R) after your name, then you're for free trade.

The most conservative Dems are also for free trade, but Dems are typically 60-40 or 70-30 AGAINST free trade as a party.

Claiming the left is the free trade party is pretty much an alternative fact.

joeyjojojunior says

Claiming the left is the free trade party is pretty much an alternative fact

yet free trade pacts only pass when leftie Presidents support it. Now that Trump carried through his promise, you support trump or Hillary or Obama?

If Hilalry had won, we would be a TPP country now.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151109/07243932763/three-industries-that-love-tpp-hollywood-big-pharma-wall-st.shtml

That said, talk about three of the most hated industries around: Hollywood, Big Pharma and Wall Street. But, more importantly, talk about three of the most protectionist, anti-free trade industries around. We've been repeating over and over again that the TPP is not a free trade deal and this should be more confirmation. Hollywood, Big Pharma and Wall Street are probably three of the biggest industries to rely heavily on government regulations as a way to limit competition, limit innovation and to use that exclusivity to artificially increase prices at the expense of the public.

I imagine Hollywood in particular is pissed about Trump's squashing the TPP.
And Trump clearly gives no fucks about Hollywood. Maybe negative fucks.

lostand confused says

President Donald J. Trump killed the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) once and for all on Monday, signing an executive order officially withdrawing from the trade deal negotiations.

Well, that is at least one good thing he did.

lostand confused says

If Hilalry had won, we would be a TPP country now.

Another alternative fact. Hillary came out against TPP

joeyjojojunior says

Another alternative fact. Hillary came out against TPP

Yeah right.

Well, I agree...

joeyjojojunior says

This has to be literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Free trade is had has ALWAYS

Another alternative fact. Hillary came out against TPP

Another MSM-style lie by manipulating context and omission.

She said "As written". Which is legalese for "I'll change a few words and then say it's been fixed and it's time to pass it within 48 hours with no debate so I can sign it"

What time she didn't spend on Libya or pushing Fracking worldwide, as SOS, she spent pushing TPP.

She called it the "Gold Standard" of Trade Agreements.

Her "Free" Trade record is pretty stellar. I think they have her at 80%, with 20% because of a couple of agreements that came up during her Senate and Presidential Runs for political strategy purposes she didn't vote on (I don't even think she voted against, just abstained).

Look, Trump can be wrong about a lot of things, but even a broken clock is right some of the time. It's not a good argument to say, Trump is for X therefore X must be bad. That's just poisoning the well.

I assure you that before the first month of Trump's presidency is over, you'll have plenty of legitimate opportunities to criticize him for stupid decisions. You don't need to jump at the first chance you see.

joeyjojojunior says

Another alternative fact. Hillary came out against TPP

Hillary denounced the TPP after she did everything possible to make it reality. Hillary came out in favor of same sex marriages after she did everything she could to stop them.

She's a two-faced hypocrite. I'd be willing to give her the benefit of a doubt that she had legitimate epiphanies, but how do you go through 60 years of life believing that same sex marriages are an abomination and then, just when pubic support for them reaches critical mass, suddenly think they are a human right?

She's a band wagon jumper, not someone who's seen the light. She's a cold and she's a broken Hallelujah.

Macropodia says

Well, I agree...

Ah... thanks. I missed the grammar police.

Dan8267 says

Hillary denounced the TPP after she did everything possible to make it reality. Hillary came out in favor of same sex marriages after she did everything she could to stop them.

She's a two-faced hypocrite

She's the consummate politician. She knows which way the wind is blowing and adjusts her position accordingly. Some call that being hypocrticial, others might call it representing her constituents. She is, after all, elected to represent their interests.

So, given that the public mood is definitely souring on free trade, I think it's pretty darn likely she would have scrapped it too.

Ironman says

And that's the person YOU wanted in the white house...

Not really. She was the lesser of two evils in the election, but far from the person I wanted in the White House.

But, again, is it really bad if a politician changes their vote if the public changes its view? In a representative democracy, a politician is supposed to represent their voters views.

joeyjojojunior says

She's the consummate politician.

That she is.

joeyjojojunior says

In a representative democracy, a politician is supposed to represent their voters views.

Within ethical limits. Hitler was elected and he represented those who elected him perfectly. But that doesn't justify the Holocaust. The fact is that human and civil rights trump popular will. It is the ethical duty of all lawmakers to uphold human and civil rights over popular will. Otherwise, slavery and genocide are justified.

Hillary fails in this task, as will Trump.

Hell must have frozen over, Dan agreed with Trump on something.

FortWayne says

Hell must have frozen over, Dan agreed with Trump on something.

I base my position on facts and the truth, not which team scores the goal.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Hell must have frozen over, Dan agreed with Trump on something.

I base my position on facts and the truth, not which team scores the goal.

Since when?

Dan8267 says

And if a corporation wants access to our markets, it's going to have to obey a few laws like not poisoning us to death or causing our children to grow tentacles.

Those laws will be gone by 2020 so that won't be a problem.

lostand confused says

If Hilalry had won-Obama and the repub congress would have rushed the TPP through and we would be a TPP country . Why do the lefties vote for Hilalry?

because of free shit she promised these losers

Sanders to work with Trump on trade/TPP
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/315655-sanders-ill-work-with-trump-on-trade

Meanwhile that old , ego maniac mcCain who gave the fake Russian dossier to FBI blasts Trump over the TPP-he supports it.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/675215/mccain-rips-trump-withdrawing-from-tpp

This is going to be an interesting few years!!

FortWayne says

Since when?

Since always. You're just so blinded by partisan ideology that you can't see any truth that contradicts your preconceptions. I'm a rationalist; you are not.

Ironman says

joeyjojojunior says

She's the consummate politician. She knows which way the wind is blowing and adjusts her position accordingly. Some call that being hypocrticial, others might call it representing her constituents. She is, after all, elected to represent their interests.

And that's the person YOU wanted in the white house...

Folks, you can't make this shit up!!!

Oh, but remember, Trump lies.

sounds like a spineless, incompetent idiot who doesn't know what the fuck she's doing and always agreeing with the mob to stay elected.

Fast Track Authority limits the Senate's ability to introduce or pass amendments or debate trade bills.

They usually end up with the Senate Leadership demanding an up-or-down vote within hours - and must take action within 90 days.

Fast Track authority was re-enabled in 2015 and would have been in play for a TPP vote. It had been constantly renewed for the past ~15 years.

Essentially, the Senate limits itself on purpose in order to pass the Treaty ASAP and bypass normal Senate procedure.

So the idea that the Senate would proceed to debate and amend TPP as they would any other Bill or Treaty is not applicable.

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/tpp-fast-track-passes-tpa/

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Since when?

Since always. You're just so blinded by partisan ideology that you can't see any truth that contradicts your preconceptions. I'm a rationalist; you are not.

Yes I'm a team player Dan, and my team is called Team America.

FortWayne says

Yes I'm a team player Dan, and my team is called Team America.

You clearly hate most of your fellow teammates. That doesn't make you a patriot. A patriot isn't someone who waves a flag and yells "we're the best country in the world". A patriot is one who fights for his fellow countryman against his government, seeks to improve government, protects the environment for future generations, helps the worst off members of his society, and constantly seeks to change his country for the better because it's the people, not the politics or political machinery, that matters. A true patriot will gladly burn his flag to save his country, overthrow his government to save his nation, and curtail power to protect those without it. You are no patriot. You are a pawn.

Union leaders praise Trump's actions on TPP.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/23/afl-cio-praises-president-trumps-move-withdraw-tpp-renegotiate-nafta-target-big-pharma/