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1   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Headed by Henry Paulson, what could possibly go wrong?

Another example of big companies profiting from regulations.

2   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 8, 11:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"a conservative, free-market approach is a very Republican way of approaching the problem."

And what problem is that?

3   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 11:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Crony capitalism

4   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 12:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

On the face of it I agree with it. It monetizes the carbon dioxide and if regulated properly, it may make burning fossil fuel exorbitantly expensive and coupled with lowering of solar and wind power, it may usher us in a new era . That said, so far Trump team has been totally clueless on how to implement plans and Trump himself has been busy looking for cheap publicity vs running the government.

5   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 12:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

These things never have price discovery so they are always a boondoggle
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6   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

Trump himself has been busy looking for cheap publicity

You mean the appearance of winning isn't winning?
If only the media would acknowledge his already great contributions to the country. Those LIARS! Quick, name me someone we can fire or silence.

7   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 8, 12:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

it may usher us in a new era .

Yeah, like what we have in California: a new era of abundant and overly expensive electric power.

8   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (41)   2017 Feb 8, 1:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fucking marxists like that communist fuck Nixon who shoved the EPA down the throats of AMERICA!

IMPALE THEM!

MAGA!

9   bob2356   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 8, 1:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

Another example of big companies profiting from regulations.

Another example of being clueless. A tax isn't a regulation.

indigenous says

Crony capitalism

So a simple tax in place of a slew of regulations and an army of regulators is crony capitalism with big companies profiting from regulations.

No one other than you and monty python could make this shit up.

10   bob2356   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 8, 1:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

These things never have price discovery so they are always a boondoggle

You can't multiply the amount of CO2 released every year by the tax rate? Even CIC could manage that one.

11   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 1:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

On the face of it I agree with it. It monetizes the carbon dioxide and if regulated properly, it may make burning fossil fuel exorbitantly expensive and coupled with lowering of solar and wind power, it may usher us in a new era . That said, so far Trump team has been totally clueless on how to implement plans and Trump himself has been busy looking for cheap publicity vs running the government.

Seems like costs would just be passed onto consumer. Tax would have to be quite high to make solar and wind financially attractive.

12   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 1:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

On the face of it I agree with it. It monetizes the carbon dioxide and if regulated properly, it may make burning fossil fuel exorbitantly expensive and coupled with lowering of solar and wind power, it may usher us in a new era . That said, so far Trump team has been totally clueless on how to implement plans and Trump himself has been busy looking for cheap publicity vs running the government.

Seems like costs would just be passed onto consumer. Tax would have to be quite high to make solar and wind financially attractive.

Having said that I would like to see wind and solar get cheaper over time, but remain skeptical that they could provide a majority of energy needs

13   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 3:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

indigenous says

These things never have price discovery so they are always a boondoggle

You can't multiply the amount of CO2 released every year by the tax rate? Even CIC could manage that one.

Yeah you probably got confused by a new word called "price discovery". Look it up

14   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 3:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Another example of being clueless. A tax isn't a regulation.

And the excuse for the tax is the regulation.

bob2356 says

So a simple tax in place of a slew of regulations and an army of regulators is crony capitalism with big companies profiting from regulations.

Of course what could possibly go wrong with that? especially with Hank Paulson in the lead he is all about the public good he never profits at the public trough.His net worth is 700 million, I'm sure all above suspicion.

15   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 8, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MMR says

Seems like costs would just be passed onto consumer. Tax would have to be quite high to make solar and wind financially attractive.

This is an attempt to stop re-insourcing by stealth.

Only approve carbon tax if enforced worldwide, by an international team with total enforcement powers, in China and Mexico also, otherwise it's a means of preventing re-industrialization while making a "market" of speculation for Wall Street Scams.

16   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 3:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T L Lipsovich says

This is an attempt to stop re-insourcing by stealth.

What would Gore's scam be called?

T L Lipsovich says

Only approve carbon tax if enforced worldwide, by an international team with total enforcement powers, in China and Mexico

Seems unlikely.

17   bob2356   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 8, 7:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

Yeah you probably got confused by a new word called "price discovery". Look it up

taxes have nothing to do with price discovery but thanks for proving once again you don't know what you are talking about.

18   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 7:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

taxes have nothing to do with price discovery but thanks for proving once again you don't know what you are talking about.

The fuck they don't, they make price discovery null to the companies who sell carbon credits, but thanks for proving once again you don't know what you are talking about.

19   bob2356   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 8, 8:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

bob2356 says

taxes have nothing to do with price discovery but thanks for proving once again you don't know what you are talking about.

The fuck they don't, they make price discovery null to the companies who sell carbon credits, but thanks for proving once again you don't know what you are talking about.

Proving once again you didn't read past the headline if that far. There is no discussion of carbon credits. They are discussing a straight up tax at the point of entry. Well head, coal mine, port, etc with a tax on imported goods that come from countries that don't tax carbon.

But hey thanks for playing the fool.

Who would have believed it, conservatives using the t word.

20   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 8, 8:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

There is no discussion of carbon credits. They are discussing a straight up tax at the point of entry. Well head, coal mine, port, etc with a tax on imported goods that come from countries that don't tax carbon.

Well numb nuts, if you have a tax on some but not others that is a de facto credit to some.

Not to mention that the ultimate loser is the consumer who has to pay a higher price for energy because the domestic producer has no competition.


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