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World press believes China is the new Power as US withdraws from the world

By Tim Aurora following x   2017 Feb 12, 6:41pm 7,245 views   86 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/china-the-accidental-world-leader/

The outlier president of the United States evokes outlier responses. His calls for isolationism and protectionism have led a large number of foreign policy mavens and media talking heads to look for a new source of world order. They have been quick to nominate China as willing and able to become the new world leader and source of world order. This is a rather dramatic turn of perception. Until the American elections on November 8, China was considered by the same gurus to be a major threat to world order, right behind Russia and North Korea, and ahead of Iran....

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47   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Nov 17, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_13ce6 says
Is this what passes as civil? Who's moderating this shit?


Which specific poster was being insulted?
48   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 11:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says
The problem with your attempt at a rebuttal is that everything Goran mentioned is almost verbatim true leftoid opinion

It's not rebuttal so much as satire. Goran's original post was uncivil and based on a strawman idiodic parody of a 'leftist.' He's now denying that he meant that he hates leftists, even though any logical person would conclude that is what he wrote.
Goran_K says
I'm not going to entertain trolls today.

You better not masterbate today, then.
49   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 11:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (6)   quote   flag        

anon_61c8a says



Roy Moore, DJ Trump, and Denny Hastert = moral compass.

Black people = violent and Muslim.

Guns don't kill people.

Tax cuts will decrease the debt.

Trannys should not use the bathroom. They should probably just be shot.

Until there is 100% agreement on global warming, it's just a leftist conspiracy.


1. Roy Moore, Trump and Denny Hastert haven't spent literally MONTHS lecturing the public on the vileness of sexual harassment, and rape (unlike Takei and Franken). Also besides Denny Hastert, the accusations of RAPE against Moore and Trump are based on shaky evidence and cases that are falling apart (Moore's accuser was employed by FREAKING Clinton and Biden), and Trump basically said sexual things in a locker room to a friend (I've heard much more vile stuff in a Goldman Sachs company dinner).

2. This is just made up drivel. I've never heard conservatives of any fame/esteem say Black People are evil muslims.

3. Guns don't kill people. Yup, I have a Glock 19 on my person right now. It hasn't jumped out of my holster to kill people. Wonder why?

4. Tax cuts will decrease the debt. Uh no. That's an over simplification of what Trump wants to do. More accurately, "A growing economy with a hot private sector can help decrease the debt."

5. "Trannys should not use the bathroom. They should probably just be shot." Do we even need to go over this lie?

6. "Until there is 100% agreement on global warming, it's just a leftist conspiracy." Some people don't agree it's "settled science". Man, they must be evil people!
50   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 11:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
anon_13ce6 says
To leftists ... I fucking hate these people. Are you saying you didn't say this. Why can't you just be civil?


That's not what I wrote. You are purposefully cutting and making up a new sentence I never said. Last warning. I'm not going to entertain trolls today.
.

It's pretty clear what you wrote. So are you now telling us you don't hate leftists? Who were you referring to when you said "I fucking hate these people"?

Why can't you be civil?
51   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 11:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Do we even need to go over this?

No, it's all ridiculous assertions that real people are not making. That's why it's a very realistic satire of your post.
52   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (6)   quote   flag        

anonymous says
Goran Goran Goran - you are trying (and failing) so hard to get me to play along. See sport, I've been around the block a few more times than you have and I have watched very carefully from the sidelines for a few years now both yourself and many others on this forum, made notes, done screenshots, the whole nine yards so I pretty much can tell where certain people are going to go, the tactics etc.

For what it's worth though you have no idea what my pay grade was, my role in my previous employed or what access I still have to information on projects we are still working on. Suffice it to say I stand exactly by what I said since we also had contracts with other companies on that list.

It's almost noon hour in Nevada, don't you have some varmints to shoot or target practice on and then you can take a ride in that shiny new monster truck. Maybe some time the clean clear outside air will lift the fog of Trumpopia.


All that writing and you basically just conceded that you don't know the details of all those deals, yet you tried to make a statement (falsely) that Trump wasn't involved in all of them.
53   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 17, 12:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
White man transforming into black woman = "Settled Science" / Here's a DNC member defending transgenderism as settled science.


How anybody can watch this short dialogue and still side with the leftoid freaks is beyond me. "I give you a 1000 $$ if you can bring one biologics scientist on the show that will state and present the case and evidence that you are the biological gender you want to be" - lololol. Btw. the left wasn't always like that. They used to actually have worthy topics on their platform, but it seems like eons ago.
54   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 2:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote   flag        

anon_83bf7 says
Last warning for what? What are you going to do? Did I say something uncivil? Again, who was it you were referring to "these people"? Did you refer to someone besides "leftists"?


I clearly defined 5 different types of people who fit the leftist definition that I absolutely despise. If you fall into one of those descriptions, then we can have a debate on why you're wrong.

So which one are you? Healthy at any weight? Gender is socially constructed? Let's have a debate.
55   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 3:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_13ce6 says
Goran_K says

To leftist, I fucking hate these people.


So why do stay on this forum and debate with them.
56   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

Let's keep things on topic guys. Thanks.
57   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote   flag        

anon_50a56 says
I am one of the ones you fucking hate. Is telling me you fucking hate me civil discourse? Not a personal attack? Becoming of a moderator? Why can't we respect Patrick and have civil discourse and keep your hate of the other team out of it?

We really can't move forward until we all are civil and that includes you too.


I guess I should clarify. I hate leftist ideology, not the individual. It's like if someone is a Nazi, I hate the belief system, but the person without the belief is perfectly fine.

Hope that makes sense.

So to clarify, I hate leftism, but not the people who are indoctrinated by leftism.

I also have a healthy dislike of Islam in general, but not people from the Middle East.
58   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Nov 17, 3:46pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reminder, the Press:

1. Said a national, actually international, real estate crisis was impossible
2. Said Trump would never be President
3. Said Hillary wasn't sick and called all those who said she looked ill conspiracy theorists, literally days before she collapsed on film.
4. Showed carefully edited films of the Rapefugees to show as many women and children as possible when they were overwhelmingly (70-80%) young males.
5. Said Brexit wouldn't happen and did everything possible to smear it, and now demands a re-vote. (Re-moaners)
6. Tries to mislead like it's 1985 but forgets it doesn't take a day at a big city/uni library's microfiche room to check their bullshit anymore.

Screw the Press.
59   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 3:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
anon_13ce6 says
To leftist, I fucking hate these people.


Why did you post an edited version of my post creating a brand new sentence that I never said?

I'll allow it to make a point, but don't do that again.


I agree with Goran here. Nobody should be allowed to edit one's comments
60   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 17, 3:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Reminder, the Press:

1. Said a national, actually international, real estate crisis was impossible
2. Said Trump would never be President
3. Said Hillary wasn't sick and called all those who said she looked ill conspiracy theorists, literally days before she collapsed on film.
4. Showed carefully edited films of the Rapefugees to show as many women and children as possible when they were overwhelmingly (70-80%) young males.
5. Said Brexit wouldn't happen and did everything possible to smear it, and now demands a re-vote. (Re-moaners)
6. Tries to mislead like it's 1985 but forgets it doesn't take a day at a big city/uni library's microfiche room to check their bullshit anymore.

Screw the Press.


Haha yes. Really beginning to enjoy the daily shiv fest by Trump. Like sticking it to perv Franken. And instantly like a Pavlovian dog the Clinton News Network writes an attack on Trump that he "shouldn't have gone there w/ Franken". LOL, can't get any better than butthurt CNN.
61   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 3:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hey Goran are you putting nonuncivil comments in jail. Or was it someone else?
62   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 3:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
1. Said a national, actually international, real estate crisis was impossible
2. Said Trump would never be President
3. Said Hillary wasn't sick and called all those who said she looked ill conspiracy theorists, literally days before she collapsed on film.
4. Showed carefully edited films of the Rapefugees to show as many women and children as possible when they were overwhelmingly (70-80%) young males.
5. Said Brexit wouldn't happen and did everything possible to smear it, and now demands a re-vote. (Re-moaners)
6. Tries to mislead like it's 1985 but forgets it doesn't take a day at a big city/uni library's microfiche room to check their bullshit anymore.


You do not understand the difference between prediction, analysis and reporting.

Prediction : Trump will never be a President or Obama will never be a president

Analysis : Trump is dumb or Hillary is corrupt

Reporting : Trump campaign had contacts with Russia or Clinton took money from foreigners for their foundation
63   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 4:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

To drift back to the OP, China can't be the new power. Too many internal issues, and not enough goodwill in the world. That the US is withdrawing, I disagree. This is clearly yet another slam on Trump that the media is obsessed with. The real story is that the US has been losing influence for years now, and I don't believe for a moment that Trump can do anything to restore it.

I think we'll be seeing a world without superpowers and the potential for chaos that goes with it. There is still enough political and military clout in the Western world to keep the game going for a considerable time, but I wouldn't hazard to guess how long. The playing field is leveling during an era of growing scarcity. Bad news for sure.

Howdy There (not logged in)
64   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 17, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Goran_K says
anon_13ce6 says
To leftist, I fucking hate these people.


Why did you post an edited version of my post creating a brand new sentence that I never said?

I'll allow it to make a point, but don't do that again.


I agree with Goran here. Nobody should be allowed to edit one's comments


Not even the use of an ellipsis? Unfortunately I forgot to include it. I corrected myself later.
65   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 4:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote   flag        

anon_62240 says
To drift back to the OP, China can't be the new power. Too many internal issues, and not enough goodwill in the world. That the US is withdrawing, I disagree. This is clearly yet another slam on Trump that the media is obsessed with. The real story is that the US has been losing influence for years now, and I don't believe for a moment that Trump can do anything to restore it.

I think we'll be seeing a world without superpowers and the potential for chaos that goes with it. There is still enough political and military clout in the Western world to keep the game going for a considerable time, but I wouldn't hazard to guess how long. The playing field is leveling during an era of growing scarcity. Bad news for sure.

Howdy There (not logged in)


Well, until we master interplanetary space travel and begin mining the solar system for it's vast resources.
66   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 6:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_62240 says
That the US is withdrawing, I disagree.


So we withdrew from TPP and we are threatening to get out of NAFTA . We are out of Paris agreement and we are the only country. Others are eager to fill in.
67   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 6:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
anon_62240 says
That the US is withdrawing, I disagree.


So we withdrew from TPP and we are threatening to get out of NAFTA . We are out of Paris agreement and we are the only country. Others are eager to fill in.


Considering we were paying the lions share of the cost for the Paris agreement, in terms of lost industry and jobs, and countries like China and India didn’t have the same commitments, I’m sure other countries would be eager to jump in. It’s not costing them anything. Syria is a member state of the Paris Agreement for fucks sake. Don’t think they’re spending a lot of time taking detailed records of their carbon emissions.
68   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 18, 7:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
To leftist, everything is literally backwards.

Visiting world leaders and re-negotiating bad trade deals = Isolationism
Trying to lower taxes for the middle class and poor = Tax breaks for the rich
White man transforming into black woman = "Settled Science"
George Takei and Al Franken = Moral Compass
450 pound multi-colored hair feminist = "Healthy at any size"

I'm usually very open of people's viewpoints, but after the past couple of years, I fucking hate these people.


I'd like to know, Goran, how you think this post relates to the OP? And If it doesn't, why, as a moderator you think it is ok to go off topic?

I feel as moderator you should be setting a good example so the rest of us know what is ok. Is going off topic ok?
69   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 6:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Considering we were paying the lions share of the cost for the Paris agreement, in terms of lost industry and jobs, and countries like China and India didn’t have the same commitments, I’m sure other countries would be eager to jump in. It’s not costing them anything. Syria is a member state of the Paris Agreement for fucks sake. Don’t think they’re spending a lot of time taking detailed records of their carbon emissions.


US share was few millions which France has agreed to cover.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/360546-macron-france-will-cover-us-share-of-funding-for-uns-climate
Well lets save pennies where the effect would be 100s of dollars. That is the new Trump math
70   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2017 Nov 21, 11:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

Yes Trump was so disrespected everywhere he goes.

You Idiots do realize it was Obama the Russians imposed a monkey with a banana on his quarters when he visited Russia in 2010?
It was China made Obama exit the belly of Airforce one and walk the Tarmac alone without any formality to his arrival what so ever.

Every Woman in the world either wants to look like Trump's wife or his Daughter.

Can you pissheads say the same about the Obama's?
71   HowdyThere   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 21, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
So we withdrew from TPP and we are threatening to get out of NAFTA . We are out of Paris agreement and we are the only country. Others are eager to fill in.


I'm taking a broader view beyond established trade deals and Paris. He's sparring with NK constantly. He's reconsidering the Iran deal. While he had some anti-NATO talk in the early going, he shifted to encouraging (threatening?) countries that weren't doing their 2%. He's been travelling abroad and meeting with various leaders. He seems interested in bilateral trade agreements. I can't say I agree with he's doing internationally or that I've got him figured out, but he isn't withdrawing.
73   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 22, 8:38am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says

Every Woman in the world either wants to look like Trump's wife or his Daughter.


You mean so much plastic surgery she has to sleep with her eyes open? Another face lift and she will have a goatee.
74   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Nov 22, 4:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sorry, but there's something to the:

"Lookit me, I'm a champion of womyn that have been harassed!" While you're harassing them.

"I fight for the poor, victims of the rich whites!" while running charity scams.

It's really the same kind of hypocrisy that the "No Homo Marriage! No Okay if you're Gay!" while somebody is looking for buttsecks.

In other words, between Conyers, Franken, Menendez, Clinton, etc.(not to mention big donors like Weinstein) --- Dems don't have the moral highground.

Keep in mind the same Media that downplays Dem Harassment is the same Media that stated Trump was unfit to be President because of some locker room remarks he made about consensually feeling up models.
75   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Nov 22, 4:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Refusing to join Unilateral Trade Agreements literally written by multinationals seeking to arbitrage wealth and empowering them with extrajudicial 'courts' isn't Isolationism.

Wealthy, G-8 Germany refuses to contribute the standard 2% to NATO, yet pushes for an EU Army they're all to happy to finance. Let that sink in real deep. Try to think about what that indicates.
76   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 1, 8:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Refusing to join Unilateral Trade Agreements literally written by multinationals seeking to arbitrage wealth and empowering them with extrajudicial 'courts' isn't Isolationism.

Wealthy, G-8 Germany refuses to contribute the standard 2% to NATO, yet pushes for an EU Army they're all to happy to finance. Let that sink in real deep. Try to think about what that indicates.


It indicates invasion of Poland, Hungary, and any other European nation that doesn't tote the public EU line.
77   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 1, 10:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fucking White Male says
It indicates invasion of Poland, Hungary, and any other European nation that doesn't tote the public EU line.


You are veering right and you are veering left on Germany. That said, the thread is about China's rise and how Trump administration is letting it happen and to some extent enabling it at the cost of United States.
78   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 1, 3:01pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Fucking pervert HonkeyFucks. Being defended by Robertson is the net equivalent of an indictment wearing women's underwear and hanging around in the bushes at truck stops.


China rose when MFN for China was approved by Clinton and Congress 20+ years ago.

ALL electronics and manufacturing is dual use. ALL of it.

Both China's wealth, technology, and new military and space powress is entirely due to Neoliberal/Neocon outsourcing of manufacturing to China at the behest of Multinationals, who generously funded Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Hillary's Campaigns.

China has already destroyed trillions in infrastructure, real estate, etc. while causing billions in drug abuse, broken homes, crime, etc. by tearing the heart out of Middle America. Actually, that wasn't China's fault, but Free Traitors. Time to make them unfree traitors, or fugitive traders.
79   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 2, 12:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@TwoScoopsMcGee the comment above has been liberated from jail. Nothing uncivil about it.

Tim, I suspended your ability to mark comments as uncivil.
80   komputodo   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 2, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

World press believes China is the new Power as US withdraws from the world


World press tries to convince dumb americans that china is the new power and it appears that they managed to convince tim aurora.
81   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 2, 1:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@TwoScoopsMcGee the comment above has been liberated from jail. Nothing uncivil about it.

Tim, I suspended your ability to mark comments as uncivil.


See the comment again. It was in the jail because he changed what I said. I did not use that garbage language quoted to me
82   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 2, 3:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@TwoScoopsMcGee the comment above has been liberated from jail. Nothing uncivil about it.


Thanks. I quoted whatever was there, unless somebody changed that somehow. Perhaps I cut and pasted something else by mistake? I didn't deliberately change any poster's remarks and my response was in response to China and US Politicians.
83   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 2, 3:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fucking White Male says
It indicates invasion of Poland, Hungary, and any other European nation that doesn't tote the public EU line.


The ironic thing is that Eastern Europeans are somehow assuaging Western European "Colonial Guilt", though the former were victims of a non-European colonial imperialist Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and never had overseas empires themselves.

Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey,and the rest of the Ottoman Empire ought to be sending billions a year to Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, etc. as compensation for their Imperialist Colonialism.

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