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There's no FREEDOM! I can't yell "FIRE" in a theater.
It's not my fault that RETARDS believe everything they hear &
live in constant fear.
What's happened to MY BRAVE AMERICA?
Patrick says:
"What I absolutely will never do is stop the expression of one person’s non-violent ideas.."
Agree completely.
It's much easier to point out the HYPOCRISY of their delusional value system.
Agree completely.
It's much easier to point out the HYPOCRISY of their delusional value system.
Yes! Use your words, as they say in nursery school.
Tolerance is a selfish ugly word. It It suggests that you and you alone allow someone or something to exist until you no longer find it politically expedient to promote and foster those views.
Then you are free to protest in the most unruly uncivil violent way, and you are then Virtual signaling, not being intolerant.
Liberals never run on "Respect for each other" It would be too successful and put them out of work. They preach the opposite of Respect for each other.
They demand respect from people they don't think have the right to exist, let alone the right to be tolerated.
https://www.infowars.com/new-study-finds-leftists-are-far-more-intolerant-than-conservatives/
New Study Finds Leftists Are Far More Intolerant Than Conservatives
They love diversity until it comes to diversity of opinion
Nearly half (47%) of liberal Democrats say a friend’s support for Donald Trump would put a “strain†on their relationship, the poll found, while just 13% of of Republicans and Republican leaners say a friend’s support for Hillary Clinton would do the same.
The poll also found that liberal intolerance actually increases with more education.
“There is a 17-percentage-point gap between the share of Democrats with a college degree or more education (44%) and the share with no more than a high school education (27%) saying a friend voting for Trump would put a strain on the friendship,†according to Pew.
A previous Pew study also found that more Clinton supporters (47%) had zero Trump-supporting friends, while fewer (31%) Trump supporters had zero Clinton supporting friends, suggesting that conservatives are more open to socializing with people who hold different beliefs.
The outcome of the poll will be no surprise to conservatives who have found themselves shunned, berated and abused both online and in real life over their political views.
Yes, it is leftist intolerance for even politely-worded dissent which drives me toward the right.
Yes, it is leftist intolerance for even politely-worded dissent which drives me toward the right.
The Death or Ugu Paradox
There is a reason most parliaments have very strict "civility" rules.
Good point. I like this one:
By focusing debate on the topic under consideration rather than on the advocates themselves, the rules depersonalize the discourse of Congress. So, for example, speakers do not address each other but rather the chair (“Mr. Speakerâ€), they speak of each other as representatives of a state (“the gentlelady from…â€) not as spokespersons for a party or a position
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/civility-in-the-house-of-representatives/
I just published this essay at https://medium.com/@patrickdotnet/free-speech-and-the-paradox-of-tolerance-redux-3ce13cf43456
Please spread it if you think it's any good.
I read Julia Serano’s article https://medium.com/@juliaserano/free-speech-and-the-paradox-of-tolerance-e0547aefe538 with great interest, because the limits of free speech are a daily concern at my website https://patrick.net , a “Free Speech Forum†of the very kind that concerns her.
I agree that there is a “paradox of tolerance†which is a difficult issue to resolve to everyone’s satisfaction. To what degree should we tolerate intolerance? My answer is much simpler than hers: We should tolerate all speech which does not advocate or incite physical violence against others.
Julia seems to disagree. Her glaring lack of condemnation of the punching of Richard Spencer while he was being interviewed is clearly tacit approval of violence for political reasons. I do not agree with Richard Spencer, but he should definitely have the right to peacefully profess his views, just like the ACLU agreed in 1977 that Nazis should have the right to peacefully march in Skokie, a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago. This did not make the ACLU into Nazis, but instead illustrated their commitment to principle.
She goes on to say that people like Spencer:
This is a willful mischaracterization and readers should not gloss over it. Speakers such as Spencer do not invoke free speech “to make their ideologies appear unassailableâ€, but rather simply to be heard at all in the face of real political violence which seeks to suppress their views. It is perfectly fine and politically healthy to verbally assail his ideas. What is not healthy or just is to use violence to prevent his speech.
Here Julia is using the exact same “slippery slope†argument she criticizes when free speech advocates use it. Clearly no one has been silenced by allowing Richard Spencer to speak, but she is claiming that his speech is a step down that slope, and implies it is therefore justified to use violence to stop him from speaking.
In describing her own experience, she says:
Let’s rephrase this to look at the other side and see if Julia is truly for equality of expression or not: “Of course Richard Spencer technically has free speech, but that doesn’t count for much if speaking his mind is likely to result in being punched in the face, and possibly other forms of retribution.â€
Would Julia agree with that? Or does she advocate freedom from retribution only for herself and those who agree with her own views?
When I was in college I took a student trip to the Soviet Union. This was extremely interesting because we were introduced to and encouraged to debate politics with similarly aged Russian students who were members of the Komsomol, the Communist youth organization. When I brought up the point that America had greater freedom of speech than Russia, their counterpoint was that “All expression is allowed in Russia, as long as it is not dangerous to the state.†They did not seem to find anything odd about this formulation, but to most Americans it immediately sounds wrong.
Julia’s friend was correct. Julia is hypocritical. She says one thing, namely that she tolerates all forms of expression, but then she does another thing by advocating violent intolerance of peaceful expression of ideas she personally has judged to be offensive. Her classification of “intolerant speech†sounds exactly like the Komsomol classification of speech which is “dangerous to the stateâ€.
She appeals to authority by bringing up a point by Karl Popper:
Yet if she wants to be self-consistent and not tolerate intolerance, why the focus on the potential evils of white nationalism and conspicuous lack of any mention of Islam and the actual murder of cartoonists? This inconsistency of principle exposes her prejudice.
The important question here is what exactly she means by “refusal to tolerateâ€. It sounds very much like a “dog whistle†term declaring that violence is perfectly OK if approved by Julia and people who agree with her.
Again, her proud declaration of intolerance reeks of incitement to violence. And no, I do not believe we can easily, or ever, come to any consensus that mere non-violent expression of a point of view is somehow attempting to suppress other people’s similar right to free expression. The right answer to is to answer, not to hit. As they say in nursery school “Do not hit. Use your words, Julia!â€
And she ends with yet another call to violence:
My https://patrick.net site welcomes all views which do not incite violence, and so far at least has maintained productive discussion while forbidding only five very limited categories of speech:
personal threats or incitement to violence
personally identifying information (doxing)
child porn
spam
copyright violations (upon notice)
What I absolutely will never do is stop the expression of one person’s non-violent ideas at the demand of another like Julia who refuses to tolerate free speech.