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How to make Patrick.net home page capture new users?

By rando following x   2017 Feb 13, 9:40pm 14,174 views   172 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I put Google Analytics back on the site. Here's a screenshot showing the last week's session durations:

Most new people look at the home page for 0 to 10 seconds, and then just go away. The users who are already into the site hang around much longer.

How can I make the home page more "sticky" so that new users immediately understand the site and want to explore more?

Any insights appreciated.

#patnet

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133   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 15, 10:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

i understand your desire to grow the site, but don't mistake politically motivated advice from blue team hacks as rationale for why google analytics reads a certain way.

you'll get more users by catering to the SJW crowd, if that's what you want.

134   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 10:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Capture? I can donate an old, moldy plywood pillory that I don't use anymore.

135   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 11:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

landtof says

politically motivated advice

When civil discourse and debate is considered partisan and politically motivated which "team" do you want to be associated with? LOL

I think one could make a strong argument for how the ad-hom button actually promotes MORE speech and discussion. Maybe it doesn't play out that way in reality though, time will tell. (This space here _________________________________________________________________ is where you can make an assertion about me being wrong, and provide no support other than opinion for your claim.)

Admittedly, when Trump finally falls, I'm going to go on a "Thunderdome" binge of epic proportions. Will need to purge it from my system. (wink)

136   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 7:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

A simple division doesn't accurately model civility. Not all posts are equal. Not all attacks are equal. It's too simple and easy to game.

It is overly simplistic, but the problem to solve here is getting people to stop directly insulting each other and to talk about points instead of people. If it's motivating in that way, it's a success. (Unless everyone decides that what they really liked was insulting other people and then they all go away because they can't do that anymore.)

landtof says

i understand your desire to grow the site, but don't mistake politically motivated advice from blue team hacks as rationale for why google analytics reads a certain way.

It seems to me that it doesn't treat one side differently from the other, so attacking to points and not people is not partisan.

There is also the "dislike" link as another way to blow off a little steam.

137   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Personally, I think the best way to change human behavior is to directly modify the human genome. Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act. PatNet should really consider implementing this solution.

138   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 8:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act.

Funny stuff.

139   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Dan8267 says

Personally, I think the best way to change human behavior is to directly modify the human genome. Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act. PatNet should really consider implementing this solution.

Requires a budget that patrick.net does not have.

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

140   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

rando says

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

There was another feller that tried that a while back, called it eugenics.

141   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2017 Feb 16, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

And I see we've added a link to softcore porn in the header...

142   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yes, fun experiment to see if affects the site's bounce rate.

Will new users stick around for more than 10 seconds if there is the promise of, uh, titillation?

143   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Check how civil I am

144   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Increasing my civility weight

145   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Keep increasing...

146   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says

Keep increasing...

Lol. Easy to do, because it's about what you don't do.

147   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 1:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

FP says

Keep increasing...

FP is a funny phucker.

148   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 1:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

indigenous says

FP is a funny phucker.

Meant in good spirit I think, not an actual personal attack.

149   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 2:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Now showing in header which users are online (are logged in and viewed a page) within the last 5 minutes.

I think this is a necessary offset to changing the home page to sort posts by most comments in the last 3 days, because that makes it look like no one is around. Which is not true.

150   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 2:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

rando says

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

No, it's keep the workers in line until they can be replaced by robots and then exterminated.

151   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

And they are employing engineers like us to make that happen.

152   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 6:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Must put a back door into the robot's control code.

153   monkframe   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Anyone can fight anywhere they want on the internet, it's hardly limited to patrick.net. Moderated comments are the way to sort out the insults, libels, and all other protected stupid speech. But that's a lot of work for Mr. Killilea. (spelling?) So what's the answer? Greater intelligence and common sense, both in short supply.

154   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yes, it's going to be a lot of work, but hopefully worth it in increased quality of discussion.

I suppose it was naive to expect good will to keep things under control. Kind of like leaving a bike unlocked in a big city.

155   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 17, 2:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick, my"new posts" are not showing up. Any reason

156   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 17, 3:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hi @"Tim Aurora" are you looking at the "Active" tab? This one:

https://patrick.net/?order=active

The default home page ordering is now by number of comments in the last day. This is to provide a bit higher quality on the default home page.

The Active tab is what used to be the default home page, but the quality was not necessarily very good.

157   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Mar 7, 9:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Any update after three weeks?

158   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 7, 9:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Have you thought of simplifying the process of signing up and making your first post? In my recollection it takes 3 steps, and it doesnt link directly via FB like the Huffposts/Breitbarts of the world.

Also advertise the free speech aspect.

Then post daily cover pics of UFC ring girls, just cause.

159   rando   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 7, 9:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

Any update after three weeks?

Wait, update on what? I've been doing a dozen things.

CBOEtrader says

Have you thought of simplifying the process of signing up and making your first post?

Yes, that's what I did today. It should take only two steps now: enter your comment (and chosen username and email) and submit, then then click on the link in the email.

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