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How to make Patrick.net home page capture new users?

By someone else following x   2017 Feb 13, 9:40pm 17,382 views   172 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I put Google Analytics back on the site. Here's a screenshot showing the last week's session durations:

Most new people look at the home page for 0 to 10 seconds, and then just go away. The users who are already into the site hang around much longer.

How can I make the home page more "sticky" so that new users immediately understand the site and want to explore more?

Any insights appreciated.

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93   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 4:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

based on the crying and whining by the minority of posters.

When the civil are the minority, that's exactly when a change like this is warranted. ;)

rando says

Civility is worth something, especially online, where anonymity tempts people to be worse than they would in real life.

Well said.

94   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 14, 4:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Maybe the experiment in radically free speech has failed, and I do need to ban direct insults.

Insults and trolling aren't the same thing. There is overlap, but it is valid to question one's opponents character and sincerity if they consistently engage in deceptive discussion such as repeating debunked lies or attempting to derail a conversation by goating people. I don't think an out-right ban on all insults would be effective. You need to ban trolling, not expressions of disgust, and there is a difference.

However, I do not have a solution to offer you at this time.

95   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 14, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

"You are a goat-fucker." = ad hominem, now forbidden

Damn it! There goes half my posts regarding CIC.

Can we subtly imply that a person is a goat fucker if we don't outright call him one? For example,
I'm not saying that CIC is a goat fucker, but he recently bought a lot of condoms and goat feed.

96   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 4:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

I also agree that sections would be great: Econ Sci Polotics Humor

Each section should have its own top trending posts. Each few top trending post should be viewable on the home page.

OK @Rew check out the home page now. Is that what you meant?

97   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2017 Feb 14, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Use the front page to promote best/relevant/breaking news stories relevant posts.
In more of a news site layout instead of a forum layout.
More like the way you were highlighting the linked article more than the threads at one point, but some didn't like it because they wanted to see the OP on the homepage.
I would employ that exact same concept but with a slicker news site layout. Something that blows Breitbart and JudgeReport layout away.
The articles can still link back to the slam fest going on in the "All" forum category.

It would involve you or perhaps some admins(not to censors but promote hot news stories) promoting these stories, or you could do it based on a algorithm.

98   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 5:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says

Use the front page to promote best/relevant/breaking news stories relevant posts.

But what is that ranking exactly?

I currently have the home page categories sorting by most recent activity in a topic.

Could also do newest post.

Or many other ways... Not sure how to select.

99   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 9:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick, intentionally or not, you have posed a challenge - how to insult people without being flagged ad hominem. I try hard (really hard) to not insult directly, but I have hard time resisting a challenge.

100   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well, at least it will be interesting to see what creative solutions people come up with to keep insulting the person without doing it directly.

I think people really enjoy insulting each other online, so they're not about to give it up.

101   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:38pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

This site's attraction is inside baseball talk about investing. More articles provoking conversation about that might be useful to increase viewership? As to the rest I don't care, it is entertaining to PO the Wogster and the rest of the mutts.

102   c1561490   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I doubt it would help with first page bouncing, but it might be a nice feature to allow users to login via oauth, like google or facebook. Seems to be popular with many users.

Regarding bounces...I wonder if the big "free speech forum" makes users think that the forum has a different main topic/theme than it really does.

Consider doing some A/B testing, doing tweaks to the homepage to certain random users, and marking them via GA. Then you can see which changes help.

103   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 6:58am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

I think people really enjoy insulting each other online, so they're not about to give it up.

Agreed. It is so much easier doing it online than in person.

I any case, I appreciate your efforts to improve the site.

104   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 12:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You could just create a patrick.net subverse on voat. It's pretty much a free speech space (it's essentially an alternate to the heavily censored Reddit).

105   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks, but would that get patrick.net itself more viewers?

106   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 12:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Thanks, but would that get patrick.net itself more viewers?

I don't know, but it might get everyone plus new people already on voat to post in that subverse.

107   krc   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 12:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why not just have an unmoderated section that people can post to knowing that responses can get ugly and personal.
If you don't want to have that as part of your thread, then don't post to that area. It could be kind of hidden so it doesn't turn off new people to the forum.
Seeing attacks isn't all that "welcoming", not that I really care.
Eventually they will learn of the "dark side". :)

And/Or, move the thread response from the moderated thread that is unsuitable to the "unmoderated" (more hidden) section in case people "really" want to see what was said. :)

Also, it seems like the last commented articles are top of site even if the comments are non-contributory. There must be a better way to rate and rank. Maybe a two column approach with trending items on one (new posts, recent updates), and the other showcasing threads that are "growing" consistently over time as more and more people comment, indicating the topic is long term worthy.

108   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 12:38pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The only thing that should be censored here are the pictures of naked men that Dan likes to post.

109   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 12:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

krc says

Why not just have an unmoderated section that people can post to knowing that responses can get ugly and personal.

Good idea! Did it yesterday: https://patrick.net/1302979/2017-02-14-thunderdome-thread-insult-other-patrick-net-users-with-impunity-here

Also, it seems like the last commented articles are top of site even if the comments are non-contributory. There must be a better way to rate and rank. Maybe a two column approach with trending items on one (new posts, recent updates), and the other showcasing threads that are "growing" consistently over time as more and more people comment, indicating the topic is long term worthy.

Yes, you're right that the home page is currently set to put the last commented articles ("Active") at the top. Two columns is hard to do on mobile, so I want to stick with one for now.

Would it be better to sort the home page posts by number of comments instead? (By which I mean posts created in the last 7 days.) That would look like this:

https://patrick.net/?order=comments

After 7 days, the most commented post would fall off the home page.

Sound good?

110   krc   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 12:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes. That makes sense (home page/comment/active).
Still maybe the "home page" is some sort of merge of comment/active - not sure how that would looke.

Regarding the "thunderdome", I was thinking more of a parallel universe.
Comments that you moderate out go to the EXACT same thread (looking the SAME) as the original thread but with the removed comments back in place.
Essentially two views you can use - either you use a "moderated view" or a "anything goes view".

Just posting to the "thunderdome" doesn't really help and who really would start a new relevant thread in such a section?

Perhaps that is what you were thinking - I just wasn't clear on that.

111   krc   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 1:02pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

To add, maybe new people who don't log in always get the moderated view only. This is because you want them to see value and join up.

Once you create an account and start posting, then you can set your view to "anything goes" if you want.
To me, the biggest turnoff to Patnet is just the lunacy of the barbs going back and forth both right and left.
There are some great topics here and some good back and forth, but it can get personal fast. :)

Sometimes people do need to set standards - and if you do it right you can attract new viewers "and" keep the free speech component alive and well (with the view option).

112   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 1:52pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I think the story of this thread is that the problems on PatNet are cultural, not technological, and so then must be the solutions.

113   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 1:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

I think the story of this thread is that the problems on PatNet are cultural, not technological, and so then must be the solutions.

Yes, as much as I love algorithms, I don't know a way to automatically classify some text as an ad hominem attack or not.

So I'm forced to be a human and rely on personal judgement.

114   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 1:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You are focusing on the stick, you should focus on the carrot.

115   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 1:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, what's the carrot?

I was thinking maybe people with a very high "civility" score should get to be the moderators that decide on ad hominem flaggings.

Where civility is perhaps (number of comments) * (percent of comments that are civil)

116   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Where civility is perhaps (number of comments) * (percent of comments that are civil)

Very much want. Has to be readily visible.

117   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Where civility is perhaps (number of comments) * (percent of comments that are civil)

Let me rephrase that:

Civility = (number of comments) * (percent of comments that not ad hominem)

So it would still be "civil" to be overtly racist, for example, as long as the user does not attack the other patrick.net users.

118   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Could be I don't know. But you get what you focus on, I would focus on the carrot whatever it is.

Apparently when this site was booming the real estate boom was on. People were probably looking for answers. IOW IMO people are looking for insight.

Why do people frequent Reddit?

Why do people frequent Twitter?

Why do people frequent Face Book?

I think arguing, albeit on a more reserved level, is part of all of the above.

From experience I know that one of the most successful thing you can do to market a business is to send out flyers to past customers. I assume you have an email list? Maybe send a link to a thread that stirs interest to all the members.

119   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, good idea. When I have the civility thing all worked out, I'll invite missing users back to the new more civil patrick.net.

120   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Would it be better to sort the home page posts by number of comments instead? (By which I mean posts created in the last 7 days.) That would look like this:

https://patrick.net/?order=comments

After 7 days, the most commented post would fall off the home page.

Changed that to home page showing the most commented posts of the last three days. More timely. People want quality (as indicated by number of comments) but they also want freshness.

121   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 2:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

How to make Patrick.net home page capture new users?

Offer a one time license to pussy grab.

122   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 4:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

You are focusing on the stick, you should focus on the carrot.

rando says

OK, what's the carrot?

Every thread should have a background image. Threads start out with a neutral background of, say, traffic in the morning. For every insightful or inspiring post, the background becomes nicer: a scenic cobblestone street with nice shops and flowers, a grassy field, a beach at sunset, puppies rolling on the ground and playing, young women suntanning with their tops untied, underboobage, up to full frontal nudity of hot chicks.

However, every trolling causes the opposite to happen. The background image moves downward in desirability from Walmart shoppers to open sores to goatse.

123   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 4:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Yes, as much as I love algorithms, I don't know a way to automatically classify some text as an ad hominem attack or not.

I wouldn't be surprised if this problem were solved in the next 20 years. It is definitely possible to solve it, but it's not a trivial problem and would require considerable time to solve. Such an expert system would have to have a good linguistic model and perhaps deep learning. I'm reminded of Twitter turned a chat bot into a racist in less than a day. The problem of automatically detecting and rating trolling and other so-called subjective values is basically the inverse of what that Microsoft Twitter bot was doing. This is the kind of problem that I would love to work on if I had endless free time. There are so many interesting problems to solve, but so little time and life is too short to get everything done that you want to do.

124   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 8:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Every thread should have a background image. Threads start out with a neutral background...

Thanks, this is a pretty cool idea.

125   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I hope everyone realizes I was joking about that. The trolls would troll threads just to make the background go to goatse. You'd have to make it so that the background image was tied to the user's reputation, not the troll, but then again, CIC might still like goatse.

126   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 (1/1 = 100% civil)

First time in my life I've been called 100% civil.

127   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 9:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol. I hope it lasts!

128   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm not sure what the civil rating is suppose to accomplish. People know who the trolls are and don't need a metric for it. And the trolls aren't going to be shamed into behaving better.

129   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 9:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If the site grows a lot, we won't all know each other's civility right away.

130   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, but your metric's not really going to accurately measure civility. Let's say user A posts 10 comments, one of which is an ad hom. He gets a 90% civility rating. OK, that seems fair.

Now user B is a mega troll who also posts a lot of inane comments. Let's say he posts propaganda b.s. and other misinformation to the tune of a 1000 posts over a week, 100 of which are ad hominem attacks. He also gets a 90% civility rating, but he's far more offensive than user A.

Furthermore, user C writes 20 ad hominem posts and gets a 0% civility rating. So user C writes a bot that posts random Google search results or images to some threads he or someone else has opened. His bot makes 180 such posts over a few days. User C's civility rating goes from 0% to 90%.

A simple division doesn't accurately model civility. Not all posts are equal. Not all attacks are equal. It's too simple and easy to game.

131   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Of course the real question is what are people suppose to do with the knowledge gained by a civility rating, assuming it's accurate.

132   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 15, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Ultimately, I'd like to leave moderation in the hands of the most civil users themselves.

OK, maybe that will work. Don't know. What will the moderators be able to do? Delete posts? How will they deal with reposting, especially from alts?

133   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 15, 10:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

i understand your desire to grow the site, but don't mistake politically motivated advice from blue team hacks as rationale for why google analytics reads a certain way.

you'll get more users by catering to the SJW crowd, if that's what you want.

134   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 15, 10:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Capture? I can donate an old, moldy plywood pillory that I don't use anymore.

135   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 11:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

landtof says

politically motivated advice

When civil discourse and debate is considered partisan and politically motivated which "team" do you want to be associated with? LOL

I think one could make a strong argument for how the ad-hom button actually promotes MORE speech and discussion. Maybe it doesn't play out that way in reality though, time will tell. (This space here _________________________________________________________________ is where you can make an assertion about me being wrong, and provide no support other than opinion for your claim.)

Admittedly, when Trump finally falls, I'm going to go on a "Thunderdome" binge of epic proportions. Will need to purge it from my system. (wink)

136   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 7:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

A simple division doesn't accurately model civility. Not all posts are equal. Not all attacks are equal. It's too simple and easy to game.

It is overly simplistic, but the problem to solve here is getting people to stop directly insulting each other and to talk about points instead of people. If it's motivating in that way, it's a success. (Unless everyone decides that what they really liked was insulting other people and then they all go away because they can't do that anymore.)

landtof says

i understand your desire to grow the site, but don't mistake politically motivated advice from blue team hacks as rationale for why google analytics reads a certain way.

It seems to me that it doesn't treat one side differently from the other, so attacking to points and not people is not partisan.

There is also the "dislike" link as another way to blow off a little steam.

137   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Personally, I think the best way to change human behavior is to directly modify the human genome. Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act. PatNet should really consider implementing this solution.

138   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 8:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act.

Funny stuff.

139   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Personally, I think the best way to change human behavior is to directly modify the human genome. Genes determine how the brain is constructed, which in turn determines how people think, feel, and act. PatNet should really consider implementing this solution.

Requires a budget that patrick.net does not have.

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

140   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

There was another feller that tried that a while back, called it eugenics.

141   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2017 Feb 16, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And I see we've added a link to softcore porn in the header...

142   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, fun experiment to see if affects the site's bounce rate.

Will new users stick around for more than 10 seconds if there is the promise of, uh, titillation?

143   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Check how civil I am

144   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Increasing my civility weight

145   missing   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 10:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Keep increasing...

146   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says

Keep increasing...

Lol. Easy to do, because it's about what you don't do.

147   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 1:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

FP says

Keep increasing...

FP is a funny phucker.

148   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 1:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

FP is a funny phucker.

Meant in good spirit I think, not an actual personal attack.

149   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 2:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Now showing in header which users are online (are logged in and viewed a page) within the last 5 minutes.

I think this is a necessary offset to changing the home page to sort posts by most comments in the last 3 days, because that makes it look like no one is around. Which is not true.

150   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 2:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Perhaps this is the ultimate solution for our overlords: modify the workers so that they work hard and are happy with their lot in life and don't cause any trouble.

No, it's keep the workers in line until they can be replaced by robots and then exterminated.

151   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 2:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And they are employing engineers like us to make that happen.

152   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 16, 6:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Must put a back door into the robot's control code.

153   monkframe   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Anyone can fight anywhere they want on the internet, it's hardly limited to patrick.net. Moderated comments are the way to sort out the insults, libels, and all other protected stupid speech. But that's a lot of work for Mr. Killilea. (spelling?) So what's the answer? Greater intelligence and common sense, both in short supply.

154   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, it's going to be a lot of work, but hopefully worth it in increased quality of discussion.

I suppose it was naive to expect good will to keep things under control. Kind of like leaving a bike unlocked in a big city.

155   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 17, 2:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick, my"new posts" are not showing up. Any reason

156   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 17, 3:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hi @"Tim Aurora" are you looking at the "Active" tab? This one:

https://patrick.net/?order=active

The default home page ordering is now by number of comments in the last day. This is to provide a bit higher quality on the default home page.

The Active tab is what used to be the default home page, but the quality was not necessarily very good.

157   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Mar 7, 9:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Any update after three weeks?

158   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2017 Mar 7, 9:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Have you thought of simplifying the process of signing up and making your first post? In my recollection it takes 3 steps, and it doesnt link directly via FB like the Huffposts/Breitbarts of the world.

Also advertise the free speech aspect.

Then post daily cover pics of UFC ring girls, just cause.

159   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Mar 7, 9:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

Any update after three weeks?

Wait, update on what? I've been doing a dozen things.

CBOEtrader says

Have you thought of simplifying the process of signing up and making your first post?

Yes, that's what I did today. It should take only two steps now: enter your comment (and chosen username and email) and submit, then then click on the link in the email.

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