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Flynn, no more. Wow. Stunning!

By Rew following x   2017 Feb 13, 10:36pm 16,920 views   125 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Wasn't too look ago Flynn was saying "lock her up" and that Hillary was a big security risk. Trump administration very afraid of the Russian optics here, it seems. Interesting.
Also appears Yates may have warned Trump about Flynn before he sacked her.

The fact that Flynn resigned, as opposed to being fired ... giggle.

Awww here is Kellyanne from today. What a good fall girl you will be.

#LizardsForTrump #FromRussiaWithPeePee

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47   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lol ... not willing to read all the bullshit the proTrumpers are putting down in this thread.

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

Trump should release his taxes now. (wink) I'm sure we will find nothing of import there. Right?

Trump has nothing to hide. (smug libby smile)

48   junkmail   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 8:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just curious joeyjojojuniour...
You have no problem with a rep from citi bank sending the POTUS cabinet post suggestions?
Wether or not it influenced his (Obama) decision making process.

From your previous posts, you don't seem to find it as troubling as I do. I don't remember Obama putting out the word for cabinet post suggestions. If he did... could we all send in suggestions? If not...

Why does a desk jockey, working in a bank, have a better grasp than you or I as to how the cabinet should shape up? Also how is it a suit monkey, working at a financial institution, have the POTUS's email? I don't have it. Do you? And I don't mean the president@whitehouse.gov given out to school kids and answered by whitehouse staff.

Could it be, perhaps, that Citi bank donated a bucket load of $$$ to Obama's campaign and now comes time to pay the piper? Perhaps this is how the sausage of a capitalist (democracy) gets made? AND it doesn't matter if the boss behind the desk is wearing a blue or red tie.

49   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

junkmail says

Wether or not it influenced his (Obama) decision making process.

50   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 9:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's all Bush's fault

51   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 9:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FINALLY, after a year, the Left has something they can spin into a victory! Congrats!

52   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

It's from the Deep State - unelected bureaucrats - and the increasingly irrelevant Media.

53   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Flynn was just like Logan.

Logan negotiated with France as a private citizen and got Tallyrand to agree not to abduct US sailors from our ships.

Adams, the big government advocate of his day, was embarrassed a Jeffersonian succeeded where he failed, so he got his ppl in Congress to pass the Logan Act.

Today, Flynn resigned because he apparently asked and got Russia not to retaliate on Sanctions an outgoing Lame Duck President imposed in the last moments of his Presidency.

Sad!

This was a Trump blunder - to give in on this stupid, miniscule issue.

54   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, that sinister dark conspiracy, where the opposition is controlled sheeple enslaved by the media talking heads, unable to critically think for themselves, and championing an elitist status quo agenda at the expense of the poor peasants, the true Americans, guardians of the humble and wholesome path, who have been forgotten. (Massive run on, no Fs to give)

This champion of the people, the common folk hero, the one who is speaking for them is ... Trump. (Ha!) Protect us Trump! Save us from the terrorists and the people who took my non-existent job.

55   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 9:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T L Lipsovich says

Rew says

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

It's from the Deep State - unelected bureaucrats - and the increasingly irrelevant Media.

Why would the Trump administration be under siege from The Deep State?

It seems more like the scrutiny is coming from Freedom Loving Americans, and people concerned with The Economy and Jobs

56   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T L, if that were true, you argue camp Trump will happily destroy true civil setvants in the name of perception?

57   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

Save us from the terrorists and the people who took my non-existent job.

And this is why he will win 2020. Ivory tower elites.

58   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If I'm as close an example to an ivory tower elitist camp Trump can find, they are in deep shit!

59   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

How much $ will Cum Swapping TrumpBots demand should be spent to root out the TRUTH OF FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

60   junkmail   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Under the current media scrutiny... just wondering if an administration representative, started running around the seats of power, waving a vial of 'yellow cake'... Would we have spent 2T dollars and killed over 300,000 humans?

Going to war the media will green-light and ostracize those who speak out. How does that compare to the magnifying glass this administration is under?

Just curious.

The mainstream media bought into that war and were used, by the administration, as a propaganda tool. So excuse me if I take everything I hear from them with a grain of salt.

ALTHOUGH. Every now and again... they do let the truth slip out.

61   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"You have no problem with a rep from citi bank sending the POTUS cabinet post suggestions?"

Like was said earlier--everybody and their brother sends suggestions. Who cares?

"I don't remember Obama putting out the word for cabinet post suggestions"

You mean like he didn't go on the 11 O'clock news asking the public for suggestions? Of course not. He did likely put out the word to his advisors to suggest names, however.

62   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 9:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Junkmail, I think the risk for the US population to be pushed into an unwise conflict, due to the current climate of fear, is at an all-time high. Yes. A much smaller nudge than 911 is needed, for sure.

I see a very real likelihood of us blundering into a new conflict or being scared into one.

63   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Seriously, heaven help us if a terror attack comes on Trump's watch. The amount of "I was right." followed by draconian civil liberty eroding "safety and defense" policies will be staggering.

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was. We haven't even remotely come down to a typical norm. When we ratchet up again, especially from here, America probably won't look very American to some.

64   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was.

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I must have missed something. What were we doing to this end?

65   junkmail   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was.

THIS!

The National Defense Authorization Act [4] signed by President Obama on the 31st December 2011 authorizes the indefinite detention, without trial or indictment, of any US citizens designated as enemies by the executive.

66   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 10:27am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

Yes, that sinister dark conspiracy, where the opposition is controlled sheeple enslaved by the media talking heads, unable to critically think for themselves, and championing an elitist status quo agenda at the expense of the poor peasants, the true Americans, guardians of the humble and wholesome path, who have been forgotten. (Massive run on, no Fs to give)

Don't be silly. A nation of 350M people doesn't not march in lock step - the fact that we do on so many issues is actually scary, not positive. Institutions develop a certain view of the world, especially if those views are heavily influenced by wealthy, big spending think tanks and the promise of contracts, appointments, and consulting jobs with everybody from Foreign Affairs to Crowdstrike to Saudi Arabia.

You can't think of an institution or class in history that remained stubbornly married to a narrative despite overwhelming evidence is was rubbish?

67   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dems never mention how Obama embraced the total destruction of the 4th Amendment.

And, the NSA flat out lied, as did Clapper, about mass warrantless wiretaps. To allow this, the 4th Amendment would have to be modified via an amendment process. That didn't happen.

Obama could have issued an executive order stopping this, it didn't matter who in Congress opposed it (since their only way of passing a law to allow it would be shot down by any SCOTUS 9-0 due to 4th Amendment Conflict).

Not only did Obama not keep his promise to eliminate the troublesome parts of the Patriot Act (written years before 9/11), he ended his Presidency with even more violations of Civil Liberties.

68   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 10:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, deflect. deflect.

But Obama!!!

But Clinton!!!

69   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trumps actions are good because they're just like Obama!

Bizarro World indeed

70   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 10:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Yes, deflect. deflect.

Ignore! Ignore! Speculate on what Trump might do while ignoring what Obama did to the 4th Amendment!

71   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Did Obama fire Clapper for lying to Congress and violating the 4th Amendment even more than what was previously revealed?

Rew says

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was. We haven't even remotely come down to a typical norm. When we ratchet up again, especially from here, America probably won't look very American to some.

People who actually follow these issues closely, think Obama was horrible on Civil Liberties. And they're not right-wingers. One of the last acts of Obama was to expand these powers allow information gleaned by warrantless spying to be shared among more agencies.

However—and this is especially troubling—“if analysts stumble across evidence that an American has committed any crime, they will send it to the Justice Department,” the Times wrote. So information that was collected without a warrant—or indeed any involvement by a court at all—for foreign intelligence purposes with little to no privacy protections, can be accessed raw and unfiltered by domestic law enforcement agencies to prosecute Americans with no involvement in threats to national security.

We had hoped for more. In November, we and other civil liberties and privacy groups sent a letter to President Obama asking him to improve transparency and accountability, especially around government surveillance, before he leaves office. This is not the transparency we were hoping for.


https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

72   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 10:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sorry--

But Obama!!!

But Clinton!!!

But Clapper!!!

73   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

But Clapper!!!

Yes or No: Clapper lied to Congress on warrantless spying live on TV.

AND he literally led the collection and storage of every transmission by all Americans and stored it without any Warrant or Court Order.

Should he have been fired for that?

(No bullshit about "everybody knows it happened, no big deal", it's totally unconstitutional)

I don't care, my team is the good team! It doesn't matter that Obama expanded violations of the 4th Amendment, it doesn't matter Clapper lied and spied! Blue Team Good!

74   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 10:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"I don't care, my team is the good team! It doesn't matter that Obama expanded violations of the 4th Amendment, it doesn't matter Clapper lied and spied! Blue Team Good!"

See, this is where you and I differ. I'm happy to criticize Dems when they deserve it. Obama was a disaster on the Patriot Act and civil rights in general. He wasn't great on trade either.

The next time you criticize Trump or his cabinet for anything will be the first.

75   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 10:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"I did, Flynn shouldn't have resigned."

I rest my case.

I think this is just the beginning though--it's going to be a fun couple months. The only bad part is we'll be left with Pence as President and that's probably worse than Trump.

76   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 10:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

I must have missed something. What were we doing to this end?

Pretty balanced analysis of Obama on civil liberties in face of DHS/Patriot Act. He did do a lot to walk some things back, despite broad interpretations and increased drone use. Yes.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/obama-civil-liberties/512864/

More than McCain would have? More than Romney would have? Debatable, but I lean in the affirmative.
More than Trump will today? Obviously.

Obama was very good domestically, and very anti-Torture. He was very willing to operate in the grey with drones though. Indeed. There was a push toward the norms of what types of activities America will engage in, especially domestically, to further national interest and defend its citizens.

Contrast that with Trump today (at least by words, and a few actions). Not even a close comparison.

errc says

Trumps actions are good because they're just like Obama!

Bizzaro world indeed, but the comparison is garbage to begin with. False equivalency.

77   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 11:02am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

he pulled back on prosecution of marijuana laws,

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Not sure if you're intentionally lying or not, but that's false.

78   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Again--so Trump is worse than Obama on civil rights? That's why you voted for him?

79   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Again--so Trump is worse than Obama on civil rights? That's why you voted for him?

Don't know yet. Not enough time. I do know that the use of Section 213 of the Patriot act nearly tripled between 2010-2013.

Only .5% That's ZERO POINT FIVE percent, of the use involved Terrorism. The rest was overwhelmingly narcotics based.

Looks like the Drug War is trampling Civil Liberties again, with the active collusion of the Status Quo Establishment and the Politicians in their camp.


https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses

Who led the Executive Branch 2010-2013?

80   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 11:06am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

T L Lipsovich says

So the executive is supposed to throw shit on the wall, regardless of Constitutionality?

No, but they have to do their job.

Likewise I don't see congress fighting to get to declare war and take a firm stand on anything. They are happy to let the President step up, declare emergency conflicts, so that they can then point fingers if it goes bad, or take credit if it goes well. Spineless.

T L Lipsovich says

This is more balanced.

3.5 more than Trump will measure or does the scale go negative?

You are talking about a President who actually cared to try and reform and walk things back, versus one who currently appears to fully embrace a surveillance state in some capacity.

errc says

Not sure if you're intentionally lying or not, but that's false.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-on-weed-legalization-2016-11

T L Lipsovich says

Section 213 of the Patriot act nearly tripled between 2010-2013.

If only Americans can remember that we have signed very bad things into law, when we are scared. Doubt we will be so rational.

81   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

Likewise I don't see congress fighting to get to declare war and take a firm stand on anything. They are happy to let the President step up, declare emergency conflicts, so that they can then point fingers if it goes bad, or take credit if it goes well. Spineless.

YUP. Also on the list.

Rew says

3.5 more than Trump will measure or does the scale go negative?

The Electronic Frontier Foundation issued this before Trump even announced he was running.

Rew says

You are talking about a President who actually cared to try and reform and walk things back, versus one who currently appears to fully embrace a surveillance state in some capacity.

As executive, he doesn't need Congressional permission to insist the Patriot Act only be used for foreign intel/counter-intel and Terrorism. He can do that with a memo, much less an executive order.

82   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

If only Americans can remember that we have signed very bad things into law, when we are scared. Doubt we will be so rational.

Congress did that - not because people were scared, but because Chaos brings opportunity to those who wrote the Patriot Act long before 9/11, and they knew Congress wanted to Signal their toughness. The Patriot Act had broad support in both parties.

83   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Don't know yet"

You don't know yet?? Are you an idiot? Let's see--Trump is on record for expanding civil forfeiture. He's for expanding torture.

84   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

You don't know yet?? Are you an idiot? Let's see--Trump is on record for expanding civil forfeiture. He's for expanding torture.

Obama's DOJ expanded Forfeiture faster than they did the use of Section 213 of the Patriot Act. Neoliberalism.

As for expanding torture, how many people did Obama's DOJ indict for that? How many MIC Consultants lost contracts?

Trump allowed himself to be 'convinced' very fast on not torturing, eh? It's called Pacing.

86   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

So do you agree then that Trump is much worse than Obama?

I have years of Obama to look at. I don't have a month of Trump.

The point you are dodging is that on both Y'alls points about Civil Liberties (Patriot Act) and Forfeiture, the assertion of Rew and yourself are at complete odds with the facts. Rather, the use greatly expanded by ~300% - that is to say tripled! - under the Obama Admin.

You might call the notion that Obama rolled back a bit of the Patriot Act and Forfeiture "Alternative Facts".

87   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"The point you are dodging is that on both Y'alls points about Civil Liberties (Patriot Act) and Forfeiture, the assertion of Rew and yourself are at complete odds with the facts."

Read my posts again. I'm the one that said Obama sucked on civil liberties.

The things is--Trump sucks MUCH, MUCH worse. The fact that you can't admit that is very telling.

88   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

he things is--Trump sucks MUCH, MUCH worse.

In three weeks you know this for a fact??

90   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:19am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Read my posts again. I'm the one that said Obama sucked on civil liberties.

I said y'alls points. You brought up Forfeiture, which I demonstrated increased 300% under Obama - that's a fact, not based on an assertion or hypothetical about what Trump might do or said he will do.

joeyjojojunior says

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2016/12/02/trumps-assault-civil-liberties-serious-extraordinarily-dangerous
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444813/trump-civil-forfeiture-position-violates-constitution-pleases-sheriffs-who-profit
http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/09/trump-does-not-know-what-civil-forfeitur
http://www.salon.com/2016/07/01/civil_liberties_be_damned_donald_trump_an_enemy_of_the_...

Immaterial. We don't have the numbers on Trump yet. We do know under Obama's DOJ forfeiture skyrocketed. Trump's ability to influence STATE law on forfeiture is limited.

91   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"In three weeks you know this for a fact??"

All you have to do is listen to Trump and it's pretty apparent.

92   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lips--So, you're saying Trump is lying then?

93   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says

Lips--So, you're saying Trump is lying then?

Maybe lying - more like pacing. Acknowledging a point, getting the support, and then saying "Well, our War Hero Expert strongly advised me not to torture, and I have to agree with his expertise."

94   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 14, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"more like pacing"

How is announcing that he is 100% behind expanding civil asset forfeiture "pacing"? How is appointing the #1 backer of civil asset forfeiture to your cabinet "pacing"? Face it--Trump is probably the worst President on civil liberties ever.

And you voted for him. How does that feel?

95   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 11:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

But over the past year, the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multi­agency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush. The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana. With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts. "There's no question that Obama's the worst president on medical marijuana," says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. "He's gone from first to worst."

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Rew, did you read the link you offered up as proof? It's dated November 30th 2016.

I'm going to judge Obama on eight years of actions, rather than vague and toothless commentary after the fact

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/02/24/dispensary-raids-rise-obama-regime/amp/?client=safari

All this after he was elected by a populace that expected him to end Cannabis Prohibition

96   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 11:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

The feds are busting growers who operate in full compliance with state laws, vowing to seize the property of anyone who dares to even rent to legal pot dispensaries, and threatening to imprison state employees responsible for regulating medical marijuana

Pressure from for profit prisons, liquor industry and pharmaceuticals.

97   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 14, 11:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

All this after he was elected by a populace that expected him to end Cannabis Prohibition

We also expected him to:

* Be tough on Neoliberal Banksters
* Change our foreign policy
* Eviscerate most or all of the Patriot Act
* Ring in post-racial America

And the most laughable:

* The most transparent administration in History

That prosecuted more whistleblowers and had more charges under the Espionage Act than any President since WW2, even during the Cold War, in a time the US was not engaged in any declared war for his entire 8 year administration

98   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 14, 3:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Exactly. Think about it for a second. Once a state legalizes, or decriminalizes cannabis, trafficking becomes less likely a potential offense, by definition!

Not long ago, the bulk of the dried flowers had to be trafficked in large amounts. Now that over half the states have legalized cannabis in one way or another, why would there be a need for trafficking? That charge is attached to large quantities, and there's no longer such a need for the smuggling of such large quantities.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/04/obama_s_medical_marijuana_prosecutions_probably_aren_t_legal.html?client=safari

Here is a better metric

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/02/24/dispensary-raids-rise-obama-regime/amp/?client=safari

Between 1996 and 2013, the federal government conducted 528 dispensary raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
During Obama’s first term as president, his administration oversaw 270 dispensary raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
Between 2009 and 2013, President Obama’s administration spent $100 million more cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries than George W. Bush’s did.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2016/02/06/obamas-war-against-medical-marijuana/amp/?client=safari

99   dublin hillz   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 14, 4:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

At the end of the day, U.S. and Russia can never be allies - different culture, history, and values. Additionally, hatred of the "west" has been a key part of russian government DNA for a while now. Without the west bogeyman, they would have no reason for existence, just like certain religions require presence of a "devil" to rally the masses and be around. In a western movie sense, the world simply isn't big enough for U.S. and Russia.

100   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 1:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dublin hillz says

At the end of the day, U.S. and Russia can never be allies - different culture, history, and values.

I wouldn't say never. The idealogical divide is big, but now we both share a climate of fear brought on by economic problems and both have strong-men authoritarian leaders, not interested in upholding separations of powers, and happy to take advantage of the uninformed to maintain control. ;)

dublin hillz says

hatred of the "west" has been a key part of russian government DNA

We have hatred of the immigrant and muslim here (under the guise of 'crime' and 'terrorist').

dublin hillz says

Without the west bogeyman, they would have no reason for existence ...

I don't believe the people derive purpose from opposing the US, but find unity in it, and that is why the government can use it. The equivalent statement would for us would be, "without terrorism the US would find no reason to exist." Very much untrue.

A 9-12 attack will happen. Unavoidable. My question is always how much will we damage ourselves to prevent/safe-guard against such an attack, and how little will we focus on bigger security threats in the meantime? ("OMG! Rew! You are such a neocon warmonger!")

dublin hillz says

In a western movie sense, the world simply isn't big enough for U.S. and Russia.

The world very much is big enough. We just have an estranged relationship, and the current leader in Russia is happy to navigate the world by re-invoking paradigms of the cold war past because it is advantageous to him.
... ... ...
To all the above, I essentially agree with you, I'm just adding some snark and nuance, cause I'm a pain in the ass. Happy Wednesday.

101   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 15, 2:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dublin hillz says

At the end of the day, U.S. and Russia can never be allies

What do we have in common with Australia or Canada? Anyone can be allies when there is economic benefit to both sides.

102   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

What do we have in common with Australia or Canada? Anyone can be allies when there is economic benefit to both sides.

Except for that whole same language, children of the crown, and fundamental cultural/religious/world-view DNA we stem from ... absolutely nothing. You are so right.

Don't they ride kangaroos in Australia?

103   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

dublin hillz says

At the end of the day, U.S. and Russia can never be allies - different culture, history, and values.

I wouldn't say never. The idealogical divide is big, but now we both share a climate of fear brought on by economic problems and both have strong-men authoritarian leaders, not interested in upholding separations of powers, and happy to take advantage of the uninformed to maintain control.

104   Heres Your Card   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 2:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

What do we have in common with Australia or Canada? Anyone can be allies when there is economic benefit to both sides.

105   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 3:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says

dublin hillz says

At the end of the day, U.S. and Russia can never be allies

What do we have in common with Australia or Canada? Anyone can be allies when there is economic benefit to both sides.

With Australia or Canada , we have a long history, similar ( Democratic Government) government, language, similar race ( whites with some other minority race), religion ( liberal Christianity ), morals and mutual dependence ( for military or economics) . We also have common adversaries in Russia and China .

106   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 15, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dublin hillz says

Russia can never be allies

Why not, when they have been before? When they have a common enemy (Fundamentalist Islam) and a history of Cooperating in the past (WW2, and also - the Civil War, as well as Russia selling Alaska and quit claim the NW in favor of the USA)?

That's right, once upon a time, France and Britain considered intervening on behalf of the South to drop Cotton Prices during the Civil War. Then the Russian Navy showed up on the East Coast of the USA to pay a visit. Just to "Show the Flag".

The emergent threat, the country that has been #1 throughout most of history except for a narrow window of time between 1750-today, is China. It has strong demographics, grows by big percentages each year, has an increasingly modern military, and landed a rover on the moon.

And yet, you support successive governments that not only want open trade and MFN with China, but aggressively export the offshoring of high tech manufacturing to that Country, all of which is dual use.

It makes more sense to ally with the weaker demographic, who has a shitton of oil, and is the enemy of Wahabis.

107   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 5:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fighting Radical Islam with force is not the answer. You cannot bomb them but you have to dodge them. They have nothing to lose and are usually lone wolf spreading terrorism and I do not want to get in a 100 years’ war with them. We have been in Afghanistan for 17 years with no end in sight. You have to deal with them with astuteness and not force. That said, it will be smart to promote a liberal version of Islam and that will come from within.

108   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 15, 6:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says

We have been in Afghanistan for 17 years with no end in sight. You have to deal with them with astuteness and not force

And yet when Sadaam was the president and when Assad was strong before we meddled -how many jihadis or ISIS calipahate wannabes were there??

109   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 15, 6:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Remember that Flynn had worked for Obama as DIA Chief and was fired for not towing the Admin line on the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" and expressing such taboo thoughts as Islamism was a "Political Ideology" (which it is).
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/02/michael_flynn_fired_once_by_a.html

Flynn was targeted by former Obama administration members, led by Ben Rhodes, as punishment for Flynn's remarks critical of Obama's "ISIS is the JV Team" (said just before a major expansion of ISIS over a huge swath of ISIS while the Obama Administration tried to convince the world Al-Nusra led coalition were composed of democratic freedom fighters.) As well as Obama's Iran Deal, which Ben Rhodes was a huge cheerleader for. Rumor was Flynn was going to reveal things about Iran that former Obama Admin Officials would not like out there.

There should be a Congressional investigation into Ben Rhodes.

We lost a huge hero, a smart guy, and a major leadership outlet to Neolib-cons within the Intelligence Community. The nation is actually being sabotaged by a bunch of Corporate Globalists who will do anything to stop a return to Hamiltonian Trade and the switch from Outfield to Infield Strategy, from Arab to Slav.

110   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 15, 6:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

And yet when Sadaam was the president and when Assad was strong before we meddled -how many jihadis or ISIS calipahate wannabes were there??

None. Just like Ghaddafyi begged Italy, France, and the US for help fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS, and instead got overthrown, just to turn over half of Libya to Radical Islamic Terror.

111   MrEd   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 6:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All testing the waters to see where he wants to / should be.
He's becoming a politician.
This is pretty obvious stuff...The real question is why you are asking...

joeyjojojunior says

"more like pacing"

How is announcing that he is 100% behind expanding civil asset forfeiture "pacing"? How is appointing the #1 backer of civil asset forfeiture to your cabinet "pacing"? Face it--Trump is probably the worst President on civil liberties ever.

112   MrEd   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 6:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You need to realize that until a politician acts to support a position, their position on the position should be regarded as 'posturing'...

MrEd says

joeyjojojunior says

"more like pacing"

How is announcing that he is 100% behind expanding civil asset forfeiture "pacing"?

113   marcus   ignore (7)   2017 Feb 16, 6:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrEd says

How is announcing that he is 100% behind expanding civil asset forfeiture "pacing"? How is appointing the #1 backer of civil asset forfeiture to your cabinet "pacing"? Face it--Trump is probably the worst President on civil liberties ever.

It would seem Trump has some unique ideas about how to make America "great."

114   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 9:20am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

It would seem Trump has some unique ideas about how to make America "great."

Attack the press, the judiciary, and now "find the leakers" and make them "pay". What a joke Trump is. Our own intelligence agencies are now moving against him. LOL

115   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2017 Feb 16, 11:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CUNTLIGULA! will pay the ultimate price in Allenwood, in a wedding dress, with a hammer and scythe tattoed on his face!

116   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2017 Feb 16, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"How dare you call us Fake News after we pushed reports that you gave Russian Hookers Golden Showers, said your Lawyer met with Russians in Prague, and alleged your wife was one of Rin's Cumdumpster Escorts? You're endangering the First Amendment by criticizing our louche stories! We put a little blurb in there they were unsubstantiated, which makes it all okay!

117   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

Any chance there are some Obama hold-overs still employed in those agencies?

If all 10,000+ members of our executive branch are now only motivated by partisan ideology, popularity contests, or what's printed of them in the news, America is over.

Why is the Trump administration leaking so bad though? Wonder why they don't have faith in him, or what concerns they may have?

I now see how the, we are going to make the leakers "pay" is being interpreted though. Yuck. The CIA/FBI/NSA isn't red or blue in the trenches, it is red, white, and blue.

118   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 16, 1:35pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Didn't Trump say he got a standing ovation at the CIA? Everyone loved him there.

119   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 4:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

He has a skeleton crew, the majority of the "administration" are hold-overs from the last 8 years?

I've seen a number of US transitions of power, and none of them have had these sort of optics around them.
By holdovers, what you really mean are career civil servants who have served in both the Bush and Obama administration? Yes. There are many of those. What of it?

Say one thing critical, just one, of Trump. Can you even do it?

Ironman says

Do you really think that?? The thousands of employees have NO political leaning???

Armed forces personnel all have strong political leanings, and there are some pretty raucous debates, but at the end of the day they are all on the same side serving the same mission. That was my experience anyway. I cannot imagine the other service agencies are any different.

I have the same experience, as above, at my current company. It's not like we suddenly stop believing in the core function of what we are trying to accomplish, though we may debate focus and priority some.

joeyjojojunior says

Didn't Trump say he got a standing ovation at the CIA? Everyone loved him there.

You mean his disgusting display infant of the memorial wall? Classy. CIA 'loves' him indeed.

120   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says

Say one thing critical, just one, of Trump. Can you even do it?

He seems to have been paid off to ignore Saudi Arabia's central role in sponsoring almost all terrorism around the globe.

Now can you say even one compliment about Trump? Snark won't count.

121   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 16, 7:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Obviously the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake," Trump said, launching into a fierce critique of rival Jeb Bush's brother.
"George Bush made a mistake," the billionaire continued. "Obviously we can make mistakes, but that one was a beauty."
"We should have never been in Iraq," Trump added. "They lied, they said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none and they knew that there were none."

That's about the only sensible thing I've heard emitted out of his mouth-hole.

122   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Feb 16, 7:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump's platform emphasizes renegotiating U.S.–China relations and free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, strongly enforcing immigration laws, and building a new wall along the U.S.–Mexico border. His other positions include pursuing energy independence while opposing climate change regulations such as the Clean Power Plan and the Paris Agreement, modernizing and expediting services for veterans, repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, abolishing Common Core education standards, investing in infrastructure, simplifying the tax code while reducing taxes for all economic classes, and imposing tariffs on imports by companies offshoring jobs. He advocates a largely non-interventionist approach to foreign policy while increasing military spending, "extreme vetting" of immigrants from Muslim-majority countries to preempt domestic Islamic terrorism, and aggressive military action against ISIS. His positions have been described by scholars and commentators as populist, protectionist, and nationalist.

123   Rew   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 16, 10:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Now can you say even one compliment about Trump?

Like him, I would love to spend on US infrastructure. I agree the US has major issues there.
He was able to read Tea Party narrative and push it further. His base is beyond fanatically loyal.

rando says

He seems to have been paid off to ignore Saudi Arabia's central role in sponsoring almost all terrorism around the globe.

Really? Paid off? Do you just mean close coal and oil ties?

Ironman says

In reality I don't need to ...

That was so Kellyanne Conway of you. ;)
Are there any concerns raised by the opposition that you share, any at all?

124   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 19, 11:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ironman says

He has a skeleton crew, the majority of the "administration" are hold-overs from the last 8 years? Do you really think he put all NEW people in his administration in 3 weeks?

Did you ever think that his over the top style, lying through his nose and Russian influence could be the reason. Let us take Flynn leak. Despite being told by Yates, Trump administration had no plans to weed out a possible blackmail candidate. The leakers had to step in so that the US government would not be under threat. That is something I would do too, even if it meant jailtime. That is a real patroit taking one for the team. Remember that was not the initial intent as Trump administration had 2 weeks to figure this out. If you cannot see the intent here I guess you and I are different page.

125   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Aug 3, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rew says
Wasn't too look ago Flynn was saying "lock her up" and that Hillary was a big security risk. Trump administration very afraid of the Russian optics here, it seems. Interesting.

Also appears Yates may have warned Trump about Flynn before he sacked her.


Anyone know if Flynn is doing prison time yet?

Judge again delays sentencing for Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security advisor
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mike-flynn-court-20180710-story.html#

Oh, wait... another delay... I wonder why?

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