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User Civility Score

By someone else following x   2017 Feb 15, 9:21pm 12,530 views   37 comments   watch   quote     share  

By each comment, I'm now putting a "civility score", which is the ratio of the user's civil comments to total comments made since Feb 15, 2017.

Civil comments are simply those that are reasonably polite.

If a comment does attack another user's character, motive, or other attribute of the user making an argument, use the "uncivil" link to flag it. It will go into comment jail. Anyone can view comment jail.

The user can edit the jailed comment, and Patrick will get notified of the edit, and then perhaps liberate it back to the thread it came from, also restoring the user's lost civility point automatically.

Eventually I'm going to let the most civil users liberate comments from jail so I don't have to be the judge.

#civility #patnet

1 errc   2017 Feb 16, 8:11am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

often times you find a solution to a different problem than the one you are intending to. Not sure how this will pan out, but I bet we all end up with a very thorough understanding of the term 'ad hominem '

Ad hominem- (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

2 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 8:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

You're still free to express any point of view, just not personal attacks on another user's qualities.

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

3 Tenpoundbass   2017 Feb 16, 3:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

Yet you said nothing when Iwog called me a Republican.

4 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 3:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Do you find it offensive to be called a Republican?

5 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 4:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Maybe so.

6 jvolstad   2017 Feb 16, 4:34pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

I assume that Realtor's are fair game.

7 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 4:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

As long as they are not registered users on patrick.net.

8 YesYNot   2017 Feb 16, 5:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

@Patrick, I noticed a comment of mine disappeared. I'm guessing it was moderated and deleted, but I didn't get any notice. Is that the way it is supposed to work? Seems weird.

9 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 5:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Must have been ad-hom somehow, but I don't remember which one it was exactly. Do you remember approximately what it said?

Still working on a log where ad-hom comments will go, so they won't be permanently deleted in the future.

10 YesYNot   2017 Feb 16, 6:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

It discussed the demonstrably 'fake news' that came about during the last election and how it made money for the 'fake news' mills by generating memes on Facebook. Now Trump has labeled most centrist / center left news outlets as 'fake news' in his war on the media. I called this the fake 'fake news,' and I probably insulted the general class of people who are repeating this propaganda. It was a pretty long post and I thought it was substantive. If people cannot see what you deem as offensive, they the line will remain blurry.

11 BlueSardine   2017 Feb 16, 6:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

What if JaNE is arguing that she is more of an ignorant slut then she is being credited for?

Patrick says

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

12 BlueSardine   2017 Feb 16, 6:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

I'm batting 84%. Is there any way I can buy back some of my civility?

13 BlueSardine   2017 Feb 16, 6:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

14 jvolstad   2017 Feb 16, 7:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Macropodia says

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

15 YesYNot   2017 Feb 16, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

@Patrick, maybe it would be better to have an initial period where you just put a strike through the posts deemed uncivil, instead of deleting them. That way everybody can see what is getting deemed uncivil. It's a much more transparent way to go.

16 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 7:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Yes, @YesYNot I will start simply moving ad hominem comments to a separate area instead of deleting them. But still updating scores. Then it all be very transparent.

Give me a day.

17 someone else   2017 Feb 16, 7:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

jvolstad says

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

You could probably have made more money and been safer in a private job for those years, so I appreciate your service to the country! Thank you.

18 jvolstad   2017 Feb 16, 7:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

You could probably have made more money and been safer in a private job for those years

You are probably right.

19 BlueSardine   2017 Feb 16, 7:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

You are one of the most reasonable posters here. And no this is not a self serving post.
jvolstad says

Macropodia says

Wait I went up a point. I gotta post more.

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

20 YesYNot   2017 Feb 16, 8:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Ironman says

Maybe you should be careful what you wish for.

I don't think I expressed much of an opinion on the moderation topic. It will probably improve the site, so I do think it's a good idea. Getting a comment deleted doesn't change my opinion on the topic, although it was annoying to have a rather long post deleted.

I suspect that I know who will have to change their behavior the most. Unfortunately, I probably cannot say who that is anymore.

21 mell   2017 Feb 16, 9:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

jvolstad says

I served in the military for 26 years. Say something good about me. That will boost your score.

Thank you for your service!

22 rktbrkr   2017 Feb 17, 6:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

can't we all just get along?

23 someone else   2017 Feb 17, 7:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Your score looks good.

24 Tenpoundbass   2017 Feb 17, 7:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

So the Ad Hominem button is a virtue signal?
Would it be fair to say anyone that uses it, is virtue signalling again?

25 someone else   2017 Feb 17, 7:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Tenpoundbass says

So the Ad Hominem button is a virtue signal?

Would it be fair to say anyone that uses it, is virtue signalling again?

The only virtue it signals is the ability to attack the point and not the person.

But you can say the most ridiculous politically incorrect things and they will not be classified as Ad Hominem. Try it!

27 Ceffer   2017 Feb 17, 11:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

I'm uncivility-impaired, I'll never catch up!

28 Tenpoundbass   2017 Feb 17, 11:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Can I still rant about the shitbirds, without singling a single asshole out?

29 someone else   2017 Feb 17, 11:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Yes!

Just try not to identify an individual user.

30 HEY YOU   2017 Feb 17, 6:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

FUCK THIS!
I'M GONE!

31 someone else   2017 Feb 17, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Remember -- any point that a user makes is fair game.

Their personal qualities are not fair game, because they are irrelevant to the point being made.

32 someone else   2017 Apr 3, 10:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

The Red Pill on Reddit has a good rule: Do not insult or harass members

That's pretty much what I mean by ad hominem.

33 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Apr 3, 10:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Of course, mine is one of the very few 100% civility scores!

34 komputodo   2017 Apr 3, 11:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

BlueSardine says

What if JaNE is arguing that she is more of an ignorant slut then she is being credited for?

Patrick says

So "Jane, you ignorant slut." is out of bounds.

But whatever point Jane is making is fair game for attack.

Well played.

35 someone else   2017 Apr 3, 11:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Of course, mine is one of the very few 100% civility scores!

Amazing but true!

36 Ceffer   2017 Apr 4, 12:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Does this mean when Iwog is set upon and macerated by mobs of Immense Hirsute Lesbians in Berkeley, I can no longer point out it is his own damn fault?

37 Dan8267   2017 Apr 4, 8:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Ceffer says

mobs if of Immense Hirstue Lesbians in Berkeley

Worst idea for a porno ever!

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