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40 Proposals

By someone else following x   2017 Feb 19, 6:18am 48,500 views   288 comments   watch   quote     share  


The common theme is ending the entrapment and exploitation of US citizens.

Copyright

Crime and Prisons

Discrimination

Education

Foreign Policy

  • End all visas for Saudis and freeze their US assets until they establish freedom to change religion and freedom of speech, stop murdering gays, and stop sponsoring terrorism.
  • Ban oil imports from countries without democracy, freedom to change religion, or freedom of speech.
  • Put compensating tariffs on foreign goods from countries with lower wages or lower environmental standards.

Freedom of Speech

  • Prohibit job termination based on political activities outside of work.

Immigration

Medical Care

Men's Rights

Money

  • Define the dollar as one ounce of pure silver minted by the US government.
  • Audit the Federal Reserve and make all their books and operations completely open to the public.

Real Estate

Regulation

Taxes

  • Require every employer and financial company to use the exact same printed and online format for every W-2, 1099, etc, and to make all financial data available to customers via standardized REST APIs. All fields must always have exactly the same names and be in the same positions. HR Block etc lobby to make sure this does not happen.
  • Increase taxes on non-productive rent-seeking and decrease taxes on income from productive work or sales. Swap the current maximum tax rates on income from work vs capital gains.
  • End Prop 13 in California.
  • Prohibit sales tax on used property that was already taxed per the full retail price when first sold.
  • Prohibit all public sector unions, especially teacher's unions and prison guard unions.

Transit

  • Give official federal priority to fast safe cheap rail transit in place of subsidies and favoritism for cars, oil, and highways.

Voting

  • Require proof of US citizenship to vote.
  • Establish the inalienability of the right to vote for all US citizens, whether in prison or not.
  • Publicly fund all congressional and presidential campaigns
  • Publicly post all bills two weeks in advance of Congressional vote. Require that Congressmen personally read entire bill before voting on it.
  • People should have a right to petition Congress regarding a specific proposal, and if they get enough signatures require a roll call vote in both houses of Congress on the verbatim topic of the petition, without amendments.

How you can help: If you agree with any or all of these proposals, please add your own feedback on the proposals and post links to the proposals on other websites.

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241 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 23, 4:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

indigenous says

Home prices skyrocketed before the bubble caused by Greenspan's lowering of the interest rates in 2002 to 2004. This was an example of the Cantillon Effect

Except none of that happened, the bubble wasn't caused by Greenpan lowering the discount rate, and free money generated from fraudulent bond selling as prescribed by YOUR free market ideology was entirely responsible and indeed all that was necessary.

242 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Hmmmm.......a centralized bank as opposed to a local bank. One might even say..........and please correct me if I'm wrong here, that you might call this a 'central bank'?

No you have to pay attention I said centralized bankS, not a central bank.

243 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Except none of that happened, the bubble wasn't caused by Greenpan lowering the discount rate, and free money generated from fraudulent bond selling as prescribed by YOUR free market ideology was entirely responsible and indeed all that was necessary.

Nope it was ALL Greenspan

244 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 23, 4:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

indigenous says

No you have to pay attention I said centralized bankS, not a central bank.

Seriously I can't stand this much longer. Coffee is about to explode all over my desk.

245 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

People should have a right to petition Congress regarding a specific proposal, and if they get enough signatures require a roll call vote in both houses of Congress on the verbatim topic of the petition, without amendments.

Hey, that's good!

I want to limit my list to 40, so I'll have to drop something to add that.

246 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

How about the fact that most banks went bankrupt?

Banks fail because lending and money storage are married. They shouldn't be.

The function of securely storing money and easily accessing it has nothing to do with lending. There should be two separate and isolated types of institutions for these two independent areas of responsibility. They should even be called different things. Let's call the storage structure a bank, as that makes sense. Then we call the lending structure a lender. By this distinction, banks do not lend. Lenders lend, and lenders do not provide banking services.

Banks provide the following services for the customer.
1. Provide a secure place to store your money. Physical or virtual doesn't really matter.
2. Provide secure deposits like direct deposit. Dirt cheap to do so as it's all electronic.
3. Allow you access to your money through mechanisms like withdraws (if there is physical currency), transfers (if there is more than one bank), and electronic payments (like debit cards).
4. Can also provide financial advise based on your financial state and history.

Banks provide the following services for the state.
1. Detecting and reporting tax evasion.
2. Preventing counterfeiting.
3. Preventing money laundering.
4. Preventing welfare and other social service fraud.
5. Providing a treasure trove of information about the economy down to the level of an individual.
6. Making it trivially easy for the state to confiscate wealth.

[stupid comment limit]

247 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Seriously I can't stand this much longer. Coffee is about to explode all over my desk.

I have to admit it is fun pissing you off. None the less you are not hearing what I'm saying.

248 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

There is no reason that we need more than one bank to do all the above. There is no reason for a private bank. This is clearly something that is best done by the state, and the state gets sooooooo many benefits from it that it should absorb the trivial per customer costs -- hell, it saves the state money on law enforcement -- and provide all the services in the best way for free. It even allows the state to improve the financial state of its citizens allowing it to have a better economy, and thus also more tax revenues.

Lenders can be private institutions and if they fail it's the investors who lose out. Lenders won't be able to take the economy down with them.

249 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

I want to limit my list to 40, so I'll have to drop something to add that.

The size of your list should be determined by the number of reforms you can justify, not some arbitrary cap.

250 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan8267 says

There is no reason that we need more than one bank to do all the above. There is no reason for a private bank. This is clearly something that is best done by the state, and the state gets sooooooo many benefits from it that it should absorb the trivial per customer costs -- hell, it saves the state money on law enforcement -- and provide all the services in the best way for free. It even allows the state to improve the financial state of its citizens allowing it to have a better economy, and thus also more tax revenues.

Lenders can be private institutions and if they fail it's the investors who lose out. Lenders won't be able to take the economy down with them.

Wrong binary breath, there is NO accountability with the state notice one of the posts above that the highest mean income in the US is in Washington DC.

251 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 23, 4:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I'm happier now.

252 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 4:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Dan8267 says

The size of your list should be determined by the number of reforms you can justify, not some arbitrary cap.

My brain is of limited size, unfortunately. To really get to know a set of issues, I have to limit it.

253 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 23, 4:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

indigenous says

Wrong binary breath

ad hominem

254 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

indigenous says

Wrong binary breath, there is NO accountability with the state notice one of the posts above that the highest mean income in the US is in Washington DC.

Well, you've convinced me with that poorly rendered assertion. And to think, all these years I've been wasting my time using evidence and logically valid reasoning to form my beliefs.

255 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

My brain is of limited size, unfortunately

That's why we have writing, libraries, and the Internet. Your knowledge base isn't limited to what can fit in your own brain. You have access to external storage and data.

256 Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Feb 23, 4:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

indigenous says

Wrong binary breath

ad hominem

Really? I took that as a compliment. He's saying I'm logical like a Turing machine. I guess that's an insult to him, but being called intelligent and rational is a compliment to me.

257 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 5:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Dan8267 says

Well, you've convinced me with that poorly rendered assertion. And to think, all these years I've been wasting my time using evidence and logically valid reasoning to form my beliefs.

To think otherwise is not thinking...

258 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 23, 7:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Home prices skyrocketed before the bubble caused by Greenspan's lowering of the interest rates in 2002 to 2004.

Except none of that happened, the bubble wasn't caused by Greenpan lowering the discount rate, and free money generated from fraudulent bond selling as prescribed by YOUR free market ideology was entirely responsible and indeed all that was necessary.

Falling mortgage interest rates 2002-

were a nice tailwind but there were other parts of the story to understand.

One was that housing was depressed for most of the 90s in most areas (the dotcom-fueled SF bay area was just the first to bubble ca. 1997-).

The main thing tho was that a) appreciation was begetting appreciation, prices were going up because prices were going up. What sustained the price movement into 2004-2005 was the liberalization of lending, both thanks to private securitization fully funding all loans banks (and the thousands of dodgy mortgage companies like CountryWide) could put together (the rising market hid all lending sins since once a house appreciates 20% it's not going to go into foreclosure).

"sub-prime" and "alt-a" not to mention liar loans, 80/20, and even negative-am financing opened the lower end of the market up to new buyers, a new buyer at the bottom introduces a chain-reaction of move-up buyers.

plus the rising home-indebtedness was the mother of all stealth stimuli, this was a trillion/y monetary injection right into the middle class, markedly increasing the overall velocity of the consumer economy in all bubble areas.

Back to the quote above, interest rates didn't cause the bubble because interest rates weren't responsible for lenders making trillions of suicide loans

259 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 23, 7:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

real (2009 dollars) per-capita annual home mortgage indebtedness increase

260 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 23, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

oh, let's not forget the Bush tax cuts of 2001-2003 also helping the market move upwards in response.

261 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 23, 7:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

The beautiful thing about fiat currency is that it cannot be hoarded or cornered to influence its value, at least as long as the central bank knows what it's doing.

fiat also breaks the monopoly the rich have on capital.

hard money is the rich man's wet dream, which is why rich man ideologies like the Austrian School BS are all for it.

262 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 23, 7:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I don't see it.

The rich still have a monopoly with fiat capital.

263 MrEd   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 6:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So it looks like the person 'ad hominemed' should have the capacity to 'unhominem' the perceived 'adhominem' since the perception of an 'adhominem attack' varies from person to person.
Or, simpler to implement, only allow the person 'adhominemed' to use the 'adhominem' link.
But this would depend on the 'quote' function to work accurately, which it does for quoting one person only.
When highlighting quotes from multiple people in one post, it tends to only capture one of the people and assign all the quoted text to them.
In closing, the 'quote' function needs to be smart enough to determine who is being 'adhominemed', so that it can enable the 'adhominem' link for that poster only.

Dan8267 says

ad hominem

Really? I took that as a compliment. He's saying I'm logical like a Turing machine. I guess that's an insult to him, but being called intelligent and rational is a compliment to me.

264 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Feb 24, 6:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

The rich still have a monopoly with fiat capital.

Fiat -- QE -- is literally the bank in Monopoly just handing out more money to players to keep the game going.

When the Fed pushed trillions into the economy 2009-2014 it did it via buying gov't bonds and mortgage bonds.

This effectively cut the yields of these instruments, transferring money from savers (aka the rich) to today's borrowers.

I think without this QE the world economy would look a lot different today, and not in a good way.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=cPsb

blue is real (2009 dollars) per-capita MZM, red is velocity of said MZM.

We need MORE spending power aka money/credit redistributed to the lower quintiles.

Going hard money is not the way to get there.

265 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 7:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Bellingham Bill has me on ignore.

It seems like he is saying that the increase in the money supply has had no effect.

The main reason for this is the low velocity, the main reason for low velocity is demographics.

The definition of inflation is an increase in the money supply. But before that inflation manifests itself there has to be an increase in the demand.

The low demand was caused by the demographics, Logan has this right.

Where the QE has manifested is in the stock market and real estate.

This is a chart (changed in scale) to show the correlation between the DJIA and the central bank increase in the money supply.

IOW you don't do this without "unintended consequences".

266 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 7:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"The main reason for this is the low velocity, the main reason for low velocity is demographics"

No, actually the main reason for low velocity is inequality.

267 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says

the main reason for low velocity is inequality.

And the main reason for inequality is the fed increasing the money supply.

TWO TIMES in history the fed has pulled this shit...

268 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 7:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Same graph--doesn't seem quite so convincing this time, though, does it?

269 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"And the main reason for inequality is the fed increasing the money supply. TWO TIMES in history the fed has pulled this shit..."

wtf are you talking about? Inequality has been steady rising at the same rate since around the late 70s. What did the Federal Reserve do in 1975?

270 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

For starters the graph I posted was created by a PHD in economics, 2nd you are showing time frames that did not have QE.

I'm not interested in you narrative, the chart clearly shows that the fed has increased the money supply since the US was taken off the gold standard, no stories puwleeze.

271 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 7:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"For starters the graph I posted was created by a PHD in economics, 2nd you are showing time frames that did not have QE."

I'm sorry--can you not read the x-axis of both graphs? I included the exact same time period that you did, only I expanded it slightly. Any correlation, if it existed, should still be clear.

Of course the money supply has increased. Nobody is disputing that. What you are incorrect about is that it caused the inequality.

272 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 7:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sorry--can you not read the x-axis of both graphs?

Back at ya.

joeyjojojunior says

What you are incorrect about is that it caused the inequality.

I'm showing proof that it did. You are spewing your narrative...

273 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

here is the graph I came up with with the correct dates. I changed the scale to show the correlation.

Also notice that the correlation goes away since the fed has stopped increasing the money supply. In fact that is scary because the demand is coming from demographics.

275 joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Feb 24, 9:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"I'm showing proof that it did. You are spewing your narrative..."

What proof exactly? All I've seen from you is a chart showing inequality over time.

"here is the graph I came up with with the correct dates. I changed the scale to show the correlation."

Also notice that the correlation goes away since the fed has stopped increasing the money supply. In fact that is scary because the demand is coming from demographics.

Was your previous graph the S&P 500 squared too? I didn't see that--or rather, I couldn't read it from your chart. And if the correlation goes away when the money supply is no longer increasing--it's not a causation. It should fit when both increasing and decreasing.

That definitely shows you are wrong.

276 indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Wut the fuck are you talking about?

277 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

MrEd says

But this would depend on the 'quote' function to work accurately, which it does for quoting one person only.

When highlighting quotes from multiple people in one post, it tends to only capture one of the people and assign all the quoted text to them.

You're right, that's a flaw.

OK, it's on my list of things to fix.

278 krc   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 10:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick - What about in the Men's Rights:
Marriage implies both parties agreement for procreation. Unmarried status: men should have equal post-conception rights and the ability to refuse financial obligation for a child where the woman unilaterally decides to continue the pregnancy.
I think there was a recent thread that discussed this in detail...

279 someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 11:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

krc says

Unmarried status: men should have equal post-conception rights and the ability to refuse financial obligation for a child where the woman unilaterally decides to continue the pregnancy.

Yes, that's a favorite issue of mine, and I'd like to get there, but I think it feels like it would be hard to get enough support and I've already get 3 men's rights issues that seem more likely to get support:

Ban corporate HR department and university Title IX kangaroo courts.
Mandate paternity testing at birth. Eliminate all child support obligation for non-biological fathers.
Require courts to assume that a woman of age, voluntarily alone in a bedroom with a man, has consented to sex.

280 krc   ignore (0)   2017 Feb 24, 11:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Establish the inalienability of the right to vote for all US citizens, whether in prison "or" not.

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