Trump's terrible tweets: wiretapp edition
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Trump's terrible tweets: wiretapp edition

By FNWGMOBDVZXDNW following x   2017 Mar 26, 4:03am 771 views   6 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    

Here's a reminder of what he actually tweeted:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

#Trump #Politics

1   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Mar 26, 4:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

He claims that he put wire tapping in quotes, so he didn't mean literally. But there are two other tweets where they do not appear in quotes. If you meant it in some more general surveillance, then why not use it consistently? Better yet, why not just tweet that he had you surveilled?

He claimed that Obama did it. This would mean at least that Obama ordered or approved surveillance of Trump Tower. It also does not mean that people were listening to a conversation only while a Russian national was in Trump Tower. It means that they were listening to Trump and his associates.

He also claimed that it was during the election. The reference to Nixon/Watergate is definitely a claim that he was trying to gather information to help with the election.

There's no way to spin these tweets based on the additional information we now have to say that Trump was 'right.' The best corroborating evidence is that Nunes saw Trump's or his associates names in some reports, and that the names should have been redacted if the data were gathered while investigating someone else. Schiff (Nunes' counterpart) saw the same reports and states that the evidence of collusion is 'more than circumstantial.' This is not an endorsement for Trump.

2   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 26, 5:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The dude just says whats on his mind at the moment.
It can be right or wrong, good or bad, pornographic or angelic.
His tweets are nothing more than passing thoughts not representative of whatever positions he might hold.
He has learned through the power of television that vocalizing the salmon run of mindless neuronic pulses is appealing and entertaining to the common man.
So, at this point, to try and apply an analytical process to the stream of clicks emanating from his fingers is pointless.
Everyone should know this by now, so no need for microscopic investigations of past tweets.

YesYNot says

He claims that he put wire tapping in quotes, so he didn't mean literally. But there are two other tweets where they do not appear in quotes. If you meant it in some more general surveillance, then why not use it consistently?

3   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 26, 7:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Because words matter. When the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, speaks, people listen.

That's why.

4   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 26, 7:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

Because words matter.

Correct, he's not a polished politician. You are finding lies where there are none, while conveniently never holding your team to any level of scrutiny. See Obama's list of actual lies above. If you've been paying attention to the Wikileaks CIA files you should see the tyrannical overreach of the CIA under Obama. You should see the danger of judging a politician by his ability to use happy words in a speech.

At least Trump is fighting back against the tyranny.
At least Trump is making the enormous issue of CIA surveillance a public issue.
At least Trump is willing to do what is right, w/o fear of being called a politically correct dissident.

Trump is a real leader, wherein Obama and Bush before him were merely puppets for their masters. That is why Trump is attacked day-in and day-out. This is easy to see w critical thinking skills. Just look at the consistent misleading wording, assumptions, and outright fake news being spewed about him nonstop. The MSM media going hysterical regarding Trump means he is doing his job properly.

joeyjojojunior says

people listen.

You certainly aren't listening or you wouldn't accuse him of lying nonstop.

5   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Mar 26, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I don't know where to begin after your last post. I can't tell if it's sarcastic or not.

6   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 30, 6:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

There’s an insidious strategy behind Donald Trump’s retweets.

On Nov. 29, President Trump retweeted a series of videos that purported to depict violence committed by Muslims. They had originated from the account of a far-right British ultranationalist who had been convicted for harassing a Muslim. The backlash was swift, with British Prime Minister Theresa May saying “the President is wrong to have done this.”

But Trump’s retweeting of controversial (sometimes outright false) content is part of a pattern.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that what sets Trump apart is his reliance upon paralipsis, a device that enables him to publicly say things that he can later disavow – without ever having to take responsibility for his words.

The art of rhetoric – or persuasive communication – can include any number of forms: speeches, essays, tweets, images, films and more.

Paralipsis is a powerful rhetorical device because it can also allow someone to make a false accusation – or spread a false rumor – while skirting consequences.

And Trump has become a master at wielding this tool.

For example, after he was widely condemned for retweeting a graphic of homicide data delineated by race, found that “almost every figure in the graphic is wrong.” His response on the Bill O’Reilly Show was:

Bill, I didn’t tweet, I retweeted somebody that was supposedly an expert, and it was also a radio show…am I gonna check every statistic? …All it was is a retweet. And it wasn’t from me. It came out of a radio show, and other places…This was a retweet. And it comes from sources that are very credible, what can I tell you?

In other words: I’m not saying, I’m just saying.

Meanwhile, Trump has repeatedly used paralipsis to deflect criticism that he’s courting white supremacists.

In January 2016, Trump retweeted a photoshopped image of Jeb Bush from a user with the handle WhiteGenocideTM. In response to the backlash he received for retweeting a white supremacist, Trump simply shrugged: “I don’t know about retweeting. You retweet somebody and they turn out to be white supremacists. I know nothing about these groups that are supporting me.”

Likewise, he blamed a faulty earpiece for his unwillingness to disavow David Duke and the KKK in a CNN interview...

Accountability and responsibility

So what does it mean when a political figure gains a devoted following and rises to prominence – yet consistently avoids taking responsibility for the content of his public messages?

Political theorists, rhetoricians and historians have grappled with this exact problem since the rise of the “demagogue” in Athens in 429 B.C., when Pericles’ death created a vacuum for “unofficial” leaders of the people to rise to power.

The danger, according to political scientist Ernest Barker, was that “such a leader – having no official executive position – could exercise initiative and determine policy without incurring political responsibility, since it was not his duty to execute the policy which he had induced the assembly to accept.”

In the Greek context, Barker described the danger of demagogues who weren’t tasked with implementing the policies for which they advocated. In our current political context, Trump can argue that he can’t be held accountable because he wasn’t the one who originally posted the tweet. He can shrug and claim that he’s simply giving a voice to an idea.

In both cases, the defining feature of demagogues is their refusal to accept responsibility for their actions.

Yet Donald Trump (the television star) routinely fired people on his show “The Apprentice” for failing to take responsibility for their team’s failures. And he’s often given lectures on “responsibility” to his Twitter followers, like on February 14, 2013 when he invited his followers to “take responsibility for yourself – it’s a very empowering attitude.”

To use the President’s brand of paralipsis: I’m not saying that Trump’s a hypocrite and a demagogue. I’m just saying that he doesn’t exactly follow his own advice.

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