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48   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 29, 9:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
You have no data showing correlation between owning a gun and owning an retriever. (or a pit bull).


Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".

Maybe I'll just go back to "guessing", that seems to be the accepted "data" here.

HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

But, I have no data
49   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 29, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".


If you have such a list, that would be data. I've seen no such list on this thread, at least. Can you show where it's been posted?
50   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 29, 12:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Good looking pup @Sniper

They grow up fast.


Thanks, they do grow fast.

He turns 10 months next week, it feels like he's only been her like 3 YEARS...... oh man...

Lots of time and money invested in this dude, he's my Special Project Dog.

We're on training class number 4, he has two AKC certifications, a third one after this current class.

Then on to specialized training in Therapy Dog, Home Protection, Tracking and Trailing preparing him for Search and Rescue. The dude has some major expectations to accomplish.
51   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 29, 12:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
Sniper says
Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".


If you have such a list, that would be data. I've seen no such list on this thread, at least. Can you show where it's been posted?


I already told you, it's not posted in NYT or WaPo, so you won't believe, since all gun owners lie, they wouldn't be truthful on what type of dog they own, right.?
52   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 29, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
I already told you, it's not posted in NYT or WaPo, so you won't believe, since all gun owners lie, they wouldn't be truthful on what type of dog they own, right.?


I haven't seen a list of anything other than the most popular dogs in the US. Did I miss a different list you posted?
53   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 29, 12:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
I haven't seen a list of anything other than the most popular dogs in the US. Did I miss a different list you posted?


Reading comprehension issues? or trolling?

Sniper says
I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.
54   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 29, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

Sniper says
I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.


Sorry--still don't see a list of anything there.
55   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 30, 8:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

4-year-old boy mauled to death by family dog in northeast Bexar County.

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog in northeast Bexar County Sunday afternoon. A family friend is now pleading with the public to have compassion for the parents of 4-year-old Noah Trevino after Facebook users blamed the parents for his death.

A family member told us the dog was a Pit Bull mix and had been the family's pet for at least three years.

Yet, something set off Bam Bam Sunday afternoon at the family home on Twincreek Farm. The family told officers Noah was playing in the backyard with Bam Bam. They said when they checked on Noah, they found Bam Bam biting his neck.

http://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/4-year-old-boy-mauled-to-death-by-family-dog-in-northeast-bexar-county/273-532355324
56   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 30, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Milwaukee woman mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs.

A Milwaukee woman was found dead in her near west side home after being mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs, according to the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office.

Hong Saengsamly, 49, was found by her son about 10 p.m. Saturday in the kitchen of her home in the 500 block of N. 28th St., according to a medical examiner's report.

Saengsamly suffered multiple puncture and blunt force injuries on her arms and shoulders and her death was due to "mauling by dogs," according to the report.

A pit bull-type dog that appeared to be guarding her body became hostile with the son before he fatally shot the animal, according to the report.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2018/03/26/milwaukee-woman-mauled-death-least-one-her-pet-dogs/460444002/
57   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 30, 8:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Grandmother mauled in Bronx pit bull attack speaks out.

Althea Woodson, who goes by Lisa, was watching her two young grandchildren at the Eastchester Gardens apartments when the large dog somehow got loose and pounced.

The 57-year-old suffered serious injuries to her hand and face, even losing part of her ear. She is now recovering at home.

"I have a gash, a gash here, a gash here," she said. "See where all the blood is?"

The physical pain is hard enough, but what truly overwhelms her is the the terror she felt as her grandkids played on a jungle gym and the dog lunged their way.

Eyewitness News obtained video of Woodson screaming on the bench after that dog grabbed her by the head and dragged her away.

"And it just kept coming and coming," she said. "And it won't go. It won't go nowhere, and it hurt so bad."

http://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/exclusive-grandmother-mauled-in-pit-bull-attack-speaks-out/3279201/
58   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 30, 8:49pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Here are the facts:
Pitbulls have an extremely high rate of attacks on humans.
Pitbull supporters say it's how you treat them and train them, that is the cause of the attacks.
My point...So why do we not have the same problem with other breeds?
Folks.....I love animals, pets, dogs, and pitbulls too. This beed has been bred to be a danger to us. Lets cut back on them, and promote other breeds.
59   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (31)   2018 Mar 30, 9:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Is it the pit bull's fault that faces are DELICIOUS! ?
60   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 30, 9:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Is it the pit bull's fault that faces are DELICIOUS! ?


Those are the ones we should gift to Kim Fuck.
61   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 31, 6:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
Sniper says

Sniper says
I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.


Sorry--still don't see a list of anything there.


Pit bulls typically owned by urban, working and lower class minorities. Wonder who they vote for
62   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 31, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.


CBOEtrader says
Pit bulls typically owned by urban, working and lower class minorities. Wonder who they vote for


Wait, does that mean that they are not NRA members and didn't vote for Trump?

Crap, another narrative destroyed.
63   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 31, 8:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

But, I have no data


Wow, a hugely irresponsible speculation followed by owning himself in the most embarrassing way.

Couldn’t you just admit that you know nothing at all whatsoever about the subject? Or maybe do some research? Good lord...
64   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 31, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Other residents described Perivoitos as a chaotic and disruptive neighbour. Several windows of his flat were boarded over and the order banning him from having visitors was taped to the front door.

“A lot of people were coming in there,” said a neighbour who gave his name as Pierre. “There would be fighting, sometimes shouting. A couple of times the police had to come. They even broke the door down.” "

The pit bull is usually an extension of their anti-social personalities, just like in this country.

"Another friend reportedly said that he had two master’s degrees, one in philosophy."

Somehow that doesn't much surprise me either.
65   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 31, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Is it the pit bull's fault that faces are DELICIOUS! ?


Those are the ones we should gift to Kim Fuck.


I remember there was this comedian (forgot his name) who talked about stupidity of walking up to a wild animal that can eat you. I think his material was about "walking up to a bear, and then the bear gets shot by cops because it ate a stupid individual who went over to take a picture of it. naturally he was sad that they shot the bear.".
66   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 31, 10:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Quigley says
Wow, a hugely irresponsible speculation followed by owning himself in the most embarrassing way.

Couldn’t you just admit that you know nothing at all whatsoever about the subject? Or maybe do some research? Good lord...


It's called an observation followed by an admission that I don't have real data to prove it.

I have looked, but there isn't anything I could find showing demographics of pit bull owners.

@Patrick--this is also against the rules, but I appear to have lost my personal button again. It doesn't appear that mods actually want people to use it. Every time I rightly use it, the post is put back and I lose my button. I highly doubt anything will be done since I'm on the wrong team.
67   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 31, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

NuttBoxer says
komputodo says
I was told that they really are a gentle breed and that chihuahuas are much more dangerous.


In my experience Chihuahuas are definitely more aggressive, although "stand-offish" is probably a better way to put it. Pit bulls are much friendlier. My brother-in-law has two that he raised from puppies, both sweat-hearts, although the mother is a different story. Although if he walked her, she would probably be better behaved.
Cool story, bro. But, the data regarding the danger of pit bulls clearly proves otherwise.
68   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 31, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Some death reasons

633,842 heart disease
595,930 cancer
...
146,571 accidents
...
57,062 flu
40,685 septicemia
...
15,549 gun deaths
...
29 mauled by pit bull

Yeah Pitbulls have a higher propensity to kill than other dog breeds, but it's an insignificant statistic compared to death rate from all "accidents" and other dumb ways to die.
69   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 31, 2:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
I highly doubt anything will be done since I'm on the wrong team.


Nah, just the wrong FAKE observations and narratives.
70   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 31, 2:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
I have looked, but there isn't anything I could find showing demographics of pit bull owners.


Really??

There's this new technology called Google, a search engine. Pretty amazing stuff, Try it out for FREE at Google.com

Look what comes up as the first search result:

Pit bull owners :
Not normal dog owners.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

Or this one:
Psychological Characteristics Owners of Aggressive Dog Breeds
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/200903/psychological-characteristics-owners-aggressivedog-breeds

..."A total of 166 owners of high risk dogs were compared with 189 owners of low risk dogs. The high risk dog owners had nearly 10 times more criminal convictions than other dog owners. Breaking the data down by categories of criminal behavior they found that high risk dog owners were 6.8 times more likely to be convicted of an aggressive crime, 2.8 times more likely to have carried out a crime involving children, 2.4 times more likely to have perpetrated domestic violence, and 5.4 times more likely to have an alcohol related conviction when compared to low risk dog owners.

Imagine that (they must be Trump voters and NRA members)!

and another:

The Problem With People, Not Pit Bulls
The president of the American Pit Bull Foundation on why responsible dog ownership matters more than breed.
https://americanpitbullfoundation.com/problem-people-pit-bulls/

oh great, another one:

What we know about pit bull owners
...."Well, here goes: Studies have shown that owners of pit bulls are more likely to have criminal records and more likely to display antisocial behavior than owners of more common and less-vicious breeds.

The studies, published in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence and the Journal of Forensic Sciences, were titled “Ownership of High-Risk (Vicious) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors” and “Vicious Dogs: The Antisocial Behaviors and Psychological Characteristics of Owners.”

https://www.denverpost.com/2014/07/25/tosches-what-we-know-about-pit-bull-owners/

That Google.com, amazing stuff!
71   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 31, 10:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Look what comes up as the first search result:

Pit bull owners :
Not normal dog owners.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

Or this one:
Psychological Characteristics Owners of Aggressive Dog Breeds
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/200903/psychological-characteristics-owners-aggressivedog-breeds


Not sure if you know what the word demographics means.

I found several articles that say that pit bull owners are more aggressive, anti-social, and are more likely to have a criminal record. But nothing about race, Nothing about urban vs. rural. Nothing about income levels of owners.
72   everything   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 1, 6:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Golden retrievers are interesting because their life span has about halved, they get cancer like crazy. I met a pit bull recently who was the kindest gentlest animal I have met in years. I have a neighbor with three small dogs, if I get near them, it's like vicious attack mode every single time.
73   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Apr 1, 7:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
I found several articles that say that pit bull owners are more aggressive, anti-social, and are more likely to have a criminal record. But nothing about race, Nothing about urban vs. rural.


Try searching harder. You won't find what you're not looking for.

HappyGilmore says
But nothing about race, Nothing about urban vs. rural. Nothing about income levels of owners.


Yet, you said this:

HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.


How does race, urban or rural, or income levels factor into that statement?

Oops....
74   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 1, 7:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.


How does race, urban or rural, or income levels factor into that statement?

Oops....


Uh, there is a strong correlation between NRA loving Trump supporters and race and rural. That's how it factors in.

NRA loving Trump supporters are much more likely to be rural white folks.
75   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 1, 7:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FortWayne says
who talked about stupidity of walking up to a wild animal that can eat you
I wonder if he had this man in mind?
76   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 1, 7:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
NRA loving Trump supporters are much more likely to be rural white folks.


They also tend to commit less crime, especially violent crime.
77   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Apr 1, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HappyGilmore says
Uh, there is a strong correlation between NRA loving Trump supporters and race and rural.

NRA loving Trump supporters are much more likely to be rural white folks.


that own Pit Bulls too, right?

Where are those demographics?
78   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Apr 4, 6:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Remember, Pit Bulls are just misunderstood............................. they're really nice and friendly!!

Mother and son found dead at home in Hanover after mauling by dog.


A 52-year-old woman and her 27-year-old son have been found dead at their home in northern Germany after apparently being mauled by their Staffordshire terrier, police said Wednesday.

The pair were discovered at their flat in Hanover, capital of Lower Saxony, on Tuesday evening, after a relative saw the bloodied body of one of the victims through a window and rang the emergency services.

Firefighters were called in to capture the dog who was still inside the residence, Hanover police said in a statement.

Fire personnel broke down the door and caught the dog by using a sling.

"Initial examinations by a coroner suggest the 52-year-old woman and her 27-year-old son were killed by the dog," it read.

https://www.thelocal.de/20180404/mother-and-son-found-dead-at-home-after-being-mauled-by-dog
79   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 4, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Horror as young woman dies after tripping over her own wheelie suitcase and getting her neck stuck in FENCE

Remember, shit happens. Better ban wheelie suitcases and fences.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/horror-young-woman-dies-after-12107306
80   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 4, 8:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

SimplyDora, knock it off. We're not going to get into "moderation critiques". If you don't want your comments to get nuked, keep focused on the point, not the individual.
81   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 4, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hi Goran,

Can I have all my posts deleted that are more than 3 month old?
82   barrister   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 4, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

enjoy some "data"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States


Quigley says
HappyGilmore says
My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

But, I have no data


Wow, a hugely irresponsible speculation followed by owning himself in the most embarrassing way.

Couldn’t you just admit that you know nothing at all whatsoever about the subject? Or maybe do some research? Good lord...
83   HappyGilmore   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 4, 10:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

that own Pit Bulls too, right?

Where are those demographics?


This argument appears to be going in circles now. I think it's fair to say it's been exhausted.
85   josephinebrennan150   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 4, 2:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hell of a way to get your 15 minutes of fame
86   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 4, 5:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

But the dog is so cuuuute!

Awww.
87   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Apr 4, 6:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
But the dog is so cuuuute!

Awww.

Go ahead, pet the nice doggie....

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