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TSLA stock a buy?

By FortWayne following x   2017 May 10, 5:15pm 2,274 views   25 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2017%2F05%2F10%2Ftesla-solar-roof-prices-come-in-cheaper-than-some-had-expected.html#pt0-283180

What do you guys think? PE ratios are horrid, but they are innovative.

1   Done   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 5:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Just under $360 is my TA based target. They have money but not as solvent as some and independent ratings have them rated as a hold.
Realize I don't trade stock much however enjoy profiling and testing my system using markets of any sort. My win/loss ratio avg. a little over
80/20 so that's the odds I give TLSA of hitting the target I mentioned. This probably isn't much help but just a take as you do your own DD.

2   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 5:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I have the highest possible admiration for Tesla, but ultra high expectations have already been built into the stock. It's a gamble.

3   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (28)   2017 May 10, 6:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

One more breakthrough in battery engineering and Sony, Panasonic, LG, Samsung, Frigidaire, Amana and Maytag will be shipping cars - or practically giving them away at a discounted price to people who buy a set of smart phones for the family or a washer dryer.

4   theoakman   ignore (0)   2017 May 10, 6:06pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FortWayne says

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2017%2F05%2F10%2Ftesla-solar-roof-prices-come-in-cheaper-than-some-had-expected.html#pt0-283180

What do you guys think? PE ratios are horrid, but they are innovative.

I'd like them to actually sell a product for more than it costs to produce.

5   Done   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 6:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

I have the highest possible admiration for Tesla, but ultra high expectations have already been built into the stock. It's a gamble.

I believe many feel that way about the indexes as a whole but all things considered I think they are wrong as far as buying TLSA it is
likely going to rise with the rest until S$P tops out. There is so much additional money sitting in the currency exchange working it's
way to US markets, an unbelievable amt.

FortWayne says

TSLA stock a buy?

I would say follow your investment methods or system. No one can really give you that answer which is only obvious.
Only you know what your own risk appetite amounts.to, and only you or your broker can answer and manage that risk.

6   FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 6:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Graybox says

I would say follow your investment methods or system. No one can really give you that answer which is only obvious.

Only you know what your own risk appetite amounts.to, and only you or your broker can answer and manage that risk.

That's no answer at all Graybox. That's like saying, "anything is possible". And I already know that.

7   Done   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 7:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FortWayne says

Graybox says

I would say follow your investment methods or system. No one can really give you that answer which is only obvious.
Only you know what your own risk appetite amounts.to, and only you or your broker can answer and manage that risk.

That's no answer at all Graybox. That's like saying, "anything is possible". And I already know that.

With out knowing anything about how you invest it's difficult to say if TLSA is a buy for you. Do you buy hold going for the dividend gains and etc.
Or do you have other planning to consider. Short term it's a buy based on TA, however the real question is for me do you know how to confirm it as a sell?
Fundamentally it's rated a hold, not a buy or a sell a hold. Is there something more specific you are looking for? And yes "anything is possible" it's a market.

8   BayArea   ignore (0)   2017 May 10, 7:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

the amount of speculation built into this one is astounding

9   Done   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 7:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says

the amount of speculation built into this one is astounding

Absolutely
Domestic Auto is sitting at Average Weighted Alpha +38.51 and TLSA alone is at +72.80.

10   theoakman   ignore (0)   2017 May 10, 7:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says

the amount of speculation built into this one is astounding

I'll just put it this way, Elon tweeting sends Tesla's stock up 4%. Exxon Mobile beating estimates, it barely budged. There's something incredibly wrong with that.

11   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 7:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

theoakman says

I'll just put it this way, Elon tweeting sends Tesla's stock up 4%. Exxon Mobile beating estimates, it barely budged. There's something incredibly wrong with that.

When the dust settles, Elon Musk will go down in history as having slaughtered the oil industry.
He will get the Nobel Prize.

12   FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 May 10, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Graybox says

With out knowing anything about how you invest it's difficult to say if TLSA is a buy for you. Do you buy hold going for the dividend gains and etc.

Or do you have other planning to consider. Short term it's a buy based on TA, however the real question is for me do you know how to confirm it as a sell?

Fundamentally it's rated a hold, not a buy or a sell a hold. Is there something more specific you are looking for? And yes "anything is possible" it's a market.

I see. I'm a long term investor, I hold, never sell.

13   theoakman   ignore (0)   2017 May 10, 7:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

theoakman says

I'll just put it this way, Elon tweeting sends Tesla's stock up 4%. Exxon Mobile beating estimates, it barely budged. There's something incredibly wrong with that.

When the dust settles, Elon Musk will go down in history as having slaughtered the oil industry.

He will get the Nobel Prize.

Religion is bad for your health.

14   theoakman   ignore (0)   2017 May 13, 3:46pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

So the roofs take 30 years to generate a profit with a taxpayer subsidy. Anyone who is over 45 buying this is an idiot.

15   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 6, 12:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

309.68 -17.41 (-5.32%) As of 3:11PM EDT. Market open.
52 Week Range 178.19 - 386.99

16   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 6, 12:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TSLA stock a buy?

17   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 6, 12:15pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I lived through the tech bubble, and this is exactly how the crash happens. Hyped up tech stocks that burned massive amounts of cash kept going higher and higher based on future expectations. This lasted for a couple years as more and more investors got excited about how this new technology would change the world. They got so excited that they didn't care that the company was burning massive amounts of cash and taking on more and more debt. Finally, out of nowhere these investors started to have doubts, and the stocks started to crash. As the stocks continued to crash more and more investors started to realize that they were so blinded by future potential that they ended about investing in a business that was hemorrhaging massive amounts of money, and there was nothing to prop up the stock except for hype and future promises. Realizing that they owned a cash burning business, the investors rushed to sell and stocks crashed further and further. The remaining investors ended of with nothing but worthless stock certificates. Tesla is exactly like the tech stocks that crashed in the late 1990s bubble. The investors that got our early made money, but those that held on lost everything. The same thing is going to happen with Tesla.

18   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 6, 12:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

General Motors Co. (GM) is once again the most valuable U.S. car company, overtaking Tesla Inc. (TSLA) which has experienced a sharp downturn this week following weak production estimates and an unfavorable crash test rating from the Institute for Highway Safety. Tesla shares were down nearly 7% Thursday, lowering the company's value to $50.6 billion while GM is valued at above $52 billion. Tesla's week had a rough start after CEO Elon Musk tweeted that the electric car maker anticipates producing 20,000 vehicles a month beginning in December, below market guidance. News that Volvo (VLVLY) would begin producing only electric and hybrid vehicles by 2019 also put pressure on the stock price.

19   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 29, 6:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tesla, Inc. (TSLA)
256.51-1.27 (-0.49%)
As of 9:30AM EDT. Market open.
20   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 29, 8:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TSLA is on its way to zero. Musk's fluff jig is up.
22   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 29, 1:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/27/tesla-shares-drop-to-the-lowest-since-may-on-fatal-crash-investigation-bearish-analyst-note.html

Tesla shares drop more than 8% to the lowest in nearly a year on fatal crash investigation
The National Transportation Safety Board posts on Twitter it sent two investigators to look into the fatal crash of a Tesla vehicle in California last week.
A negative analyst call from Citigroup also weighed on the stock, which has been under pressure this past one month.
"We have been deeply saddened by this accident, and we have offered our full cooperation to the authorities as we work to establish the facts of the incident," Tesla tells CNBC.
23   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 29, 3:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tesla is just months from a total collapse, says hedge-fund manager
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-is-just-months-away-from-a-total-collapse-says-hedge-fund-manager-2018-03-27

"between the story and the financials, the financials will win out"

“Tesla, without any doubt, is on the verge of bankruptcy,” he told clients in an email over the weekend. He explained that funding will be hard to come by in the face of problems in delivering the Model 3, declining demand for the Model S and X, extreme valuation and a likely downgrade of its credit rating by Moody’s from B- to CCC.

“As a reality check, Tesla is worth twice as much as Ford [estimate of the enterprise value of both companies], yet Ford F, +2.03% made 6 million cars last year at a $7.6 billion profit while Tesla made 100,000 cars at a $2 billion loss,” Thompson said. “Further, Ford has $12 billion in cash held for ‘a rainy day’ while Tesla will likely run out of money in the next 3 months. I’ve never seen anything so absurd in my career.”
24   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 29, 3:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

In other words: investors are giving away $20,000 for every car Tesla builds.
25   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 29, 4:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
In other words: investors are giving away $20,000 for every car Tesla builds.


Amazing.

Also keep in mind the imminent rise if interest rates should make multi-billion dollar funding more difficult. Just another trend working against these pure innovation plays that we haven't seen in 2 decades.




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