patrick.net

"In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all."

I vote hysteria on face value.

"rip families apart" :Immigration policy towards illegal parents with citizen children, and a thoughtless policy on Muslim immigrants that would have left families stranded out of the country if not for moves by the courts.

"intensify the calamitous effects of climate change"; pro mining, pro big oil and coal, anti renewables policies.

"profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all": appoints anti public education, pro charter pro privatization sec of ed.

I vote reasonable and factual based on, what else, facts.

marcus says

"rip families apart" :Immigration policy towards illegal parents with citizen children, and a thoughtless policy on Muslim immigrants that would have left families stranded out of the country if not for moves by the courts.

"intensify the calamitous effects of climate change"; pro mining, pro big oil and coal, anti renewables policies.

"profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all": appoints anti public education, pro charter pro privatization sec of ed.

I vote reasonable and factual based on, what else, facts.

Reasonable and fact based would be "trump signed an executive order stating xyz. The likely effect will be abc. Potential positive outcomes will be 123, potential negative outcomes will be 456."

Instead we have a statement that is the definition of hysteria.

I still can believe that someone for someone so learned in math, the very basics of logic elude you.

"By THE TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD"

Do you need to know more?

marcus says

"profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all": appoints anti public education, pro charter pro privatization sec of ed

Have much have our schools improved since the Dept of education has been in control?

jazz music says

P N Dr Lo R says

Do you need to know more?

No, I know the "poison the well fallacy" very well, and lazy brained people use it a lot to avoid thinking,

Now aren't you missing your talk radio? They'll make you smart as far as you know.

So convenient that libs can just turn on CNN and feel smart

If it's not hysterical, it's not liberal.

marcus says

"rip families apart" :Immigration policy towards illegal parents with citizen children

The person who breaks the law is responsible for the consequences. They put their families in danger of being ripped apart by their own choice.

The is Left and Right isn't the dividing line right now.

RIght now the dividing line is nationalism/populism, versus globalism/elitism.

jazz music says

Yeah.

Be afraid of everything Limbaugh and Rogers Ailes tells you to fear.

Form a vast tribe around it why don't you?

Who do you think you are talking to? Trump supporters don't watch Fox. They get their news from twitter, youtube, drudge... Mayyyybbbe fox as a distant 4th.

MSM is for old people. Fact

jazz music says

oligarchy they got the media to make us hate the poor, the disenfranchised, the unemployed, etc.

You are again wrong.

Nobody hates the poor or disenfranchised. Your team has been taught to hate wrongthink, and that's why the trump movement is important

Trump is a meanie that makes Liberals shit their pants world wide, and little girly boys whine like little girly boys and We wouldn't have it anyother way.

Fucking White Male says

I still can believe that someone for someone so learned in math, the very basics of logic elude you

And yet if we found the top 100 American logicians in the U.S., I guarantee at least 90% of them are terrified of Trump's Presidency, and would label you a gullible right wing authoritarian reactionary (I'll spare you the other adjectives).

I find you're argument interesting. First you make your "face value" comment. Someone teases you for being a simpleton only seeing your fantasies on the surface, so then you direct an "I know you are but what am I" at me that makes zero sense.

As if even one time you have ever taken the time to respond to the details of an argument I've made - including this time.

Let me guess, it's becasue I'm a doodoo head.

jazz music says

You can take this much to the bank: All liberals have it over all right wing because all liberals do not have a billion $ + investment in mega propaganda pointed at their heads every day of the week to con them with alternate facts into smug and raging self defeat.

Correct.

There's two kinds of people in this world. People who don't follow "owned" media and those who follow Oligarch Media, available in several flavors from emotional tabloid Huff Po to hhhmmmm, heeeeuuuuwwww, indeed, I am truly a smart, educated person of refinement for reading and believing the Economist