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15 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 6, 2:04am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

An example is a proposal for sale of four frigates (called multi-mission surface combatant vessels) to the Royal Saudi navy. This proposal was first reported by the State Department in 2015. No contract has followed. The type of frigate is a derivative of a vessel that the U.S. Navy uses but the derivative doesn’t actually exist yet. Another piece is the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system (THAAD) which was recently deployed in South Korea.

Moreover, it’s unlikely that the Saudis could pay for a $110 billion deal any longer, due to low oil prices and the two-plus years old war in Yemen. President Obama sold the kingdom $112 billion in weapons over eight years, most of which was a single, huge deal in 2012 negotiated by then-Secretary of Defense Bob Gates. To get that deal through Congressional approval, Gates also negotiated a deal with Israel to compensate the Israelis and preserve their qualitative edge over their Arab neighbors. With the fall in oil prices, the Saudis have struggled to meet their payments since.

You will know the Trump deal is real when Israel begins to ask for a package to keep the Israeli Defense Forces’ qualitative edge preserved. What is coming soon is a billion-dollars deal for more munitions for the war in Yemen. The Royal Saudi Air Force needs more munitions to continue the air bombardment of the Arab world’s poorest country.

Finally, just as the arms deal is not what it was advertised, so is the much-hyped united Muslim campaign against terrorism.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/

16 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 21, 1:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Trump: The US is ready to leave one of its most important military bases if the Gulf crisis worsens

According to President Donald Trump, who has publicly backed the Saudi-led effort and criticized Qatar, relocating from Al Udeid would be no significant obstacle.

Trump was asked about the effect of the crisis on Al Udeid during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network that aired on July 12.

"If we ever have to leave" Al Udeid, he said, "we would have 10 countries willing to build us another one, believe me, and they will pay for it."

Trump did try to downplay potential conflict with Doha, saying, "we are going to have a good relationship with Qatar. We are not going to have problems with the military base." But, he said, "if we ever needed another military base, you have other countries that would gladly build it."

When asked this week about the situation around Al Udeid, Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said the US has weighed other basing options as part of what he described has standard operational planning.

"I think any time you are doing military operations, you are always thinking ahead to Plan Bs and Plan Cs ... we would be remiss if we didn't do that," he said, according to Military Times. "In this case, we have confidence that our base in Qatar is still able to be used."

More: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-us-ready-leave-one-222043272.html

American Taxpayers - Get ready for another yuugggeee bill.

17 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Jul 21, 6:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Patrick says

I wish I knew how that worked exactly.

"Follow the money."

18 RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks   ignore (0)   2017 Jul 21, 7:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

my guess is Saudi has been vital in covert wars vs Russia.

19 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Jul 21, 7:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

Trump: The US is ready to leave one of its most important military bases if the Gulf crisis worsens

According to President Donald Trump, who has publicly backed the Saudi-led effort and criticized Qatar, relocating from Al Udeid would be no significant obstacle.

Trump was asked about the effect of the crisis on Al Udeid during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network that aired on July 12.

"If we ever have to leave" Al Udeid, he said, "we would have 10 countries willing to build us another one, believe me, and they will pay for it."

Trump did try to downplay potential conflict with Doha, saying, "we are going to have a good relationship with Qatar. We are not going to have problems with the military base." But, he said, "if we ever needed another military base, you have other countries that would gladly build it."

LOL. This is Trump telling the Qatari's........"Look you assholes, we have decided to support the SA Sunnis in their fight against the fucking Iranian Shiites. Stop supporting the Iranians, and do as you are told, or else we will withdraw our military base from your country, and leave you to the mercy of the Sunnis. Do you understand?"

20 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 21, 10:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

He's bowing, right?

21 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 21, 11:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The Saudi's have a large sovereign wealth fund influencing markets (like ~ $700 billions, treasuries in particular) and an influential position in the oil market. They are also an "ally" against Iran and Russia, and at least neutral with regard to Israel within the middle east.
You don't want to piss them off.
This being said what you can sink the oil market, and watch them struggle to monetize what oil they have left before renewables take over oil in the next few decades.
The entire idea of exporting extreme religion is also silly and fragile in the face of modernity.
They will have what they deserve in time.

22 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 22, 3:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist - this also sounds like Trump telling his base Mexico will pay for the wall....anyone want to take bets on who gets stuck with the bill if the base gets moved ?

23 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 22, 5:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

Strategist - this also sounds like Trump telling his base Mexico will pay for the wall....anyone want to take bets on who gets stuck with the bill if the base gets moved ?

Not trumps base, very few of them pay taxes. Most are on the blue state to red state money train complaining all the way about government spending.

24 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 1:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

When It Comes to the War in the Greater Middle East, Maybe We’re the Bad Guys ...

The moment our nation puts any PFC Anderson in harm’s way, thousands of miles and light years from Kansas, there had better be a damn good reason for it, a vital, tangible national interest at stake. At the very least, this country better be on the right side in the conflicts we’re fighting.

The Wrong Side

It’s long been an article of faith here: the United States is the greatest force for good in the world, the planet’s “indispensable nation.” But what if we’re wrong? After all, as far as I can tell, the view from the Arab or African “street” tells a different story altogether. Americans tend to loathe the judgments of foreigners, but sober strategy demands that once in a while we walk the proverbial mile in the global shoes of others. After all, almost 16 years into the war on terror it should be apparent that something isn’t working. Perhaps it’s time to ask whether the United States is really playing the role of the positive protagonist in a great global drama.

Keep in mind that the war for the Greater Middle East -- and I fought in it myself both in Iraq and Afghanistan -- is just the latest venture in the depressing annals of Washington’s geo-strategic thinking since President Ronald Reagan’s administration, along with the Saudis and Pakistanis, armed, funded, and supported extreme fundamentalist Afghan mujahedeen rebels in a Cold War struggle with the Soviet Union that eventually led to the 9/11 attacks. His administration also threw money, guns, and training -- sometimes illegally -- at the brutal Nicaraguan Contras in another Cold War covert conflict in which about 100,000 civilians died.

Boundless Hypocrisy

Maybe it’s because most Americans just aren’t paying attention or maybe we’re a nation of true believers, but it’s clear that most of us still cling to the idea that our country is a beacon of hope for the planet. Never known for our collective self-awareness, we’re eternally aghast to discover that so many elsewhere find little but insincerity in the promise of U.S. foreign policy. “Why do they hate us,” Americans have asked, with evident disbelief, for much of this century. Here are just a few hints related to the Greater Middle East:

Much More: 10-15 minutes if you read carefully and digest the information and access some of the sub links. http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176323/tomgram%3A_danny_sjursen%2C_whose_side_are_you_on/#more
About the author: Major Danny Sjursen, a TomDispatch regular, is a U.S. Army strategist and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has written a memoir and critical analysis of the Iraq War, Ghost Riders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians, and the Myth of the Surge. He lives with his wife and four sons in Lawrence, Kansas. Follow him on Twitter at @Skeptical_Vet.
25 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Sep 8, 5:27am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This is a tradition among American presidents to get used to having their heads pulled down to the Saudi king's crotch to suck the royal dick while the monarch advices, "BITCH! CAMEL! CUNT! YOU! AMERICAN! DOG! KING! FUCK! YOUR! DOG! FACE!"

George W. Bush reportedly responded by giggling and replying, "I love you, too, Mommee!"
26 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 6:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
The moment our nation puts any PFC Anderson in harm’s way, thousands of miles and light years from Kansas, there had better be a damn good reason for it, a vital, tangible national interest at stake. At the very least, this country better be on the right side in the conflicts we’re fighting.
Aren't you glad Hillary the Hostile didn't become President?

PFC Snuffy really dodged a bullet there.
27 curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 8, 6:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
Muslim campaign against terrorism.

KSA defines terrorism to include anything that calls into question the fundamentals of Islam, including blasphemy and especially atheism. Worldwide, huge numbers of Muslims (including KSA, Pakistan, Islamic State, and Islamic Sharia patrols) are deadly serious about killing blasphemers, including especially atheists.

Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western liberty. Those who would spread hijrah to the west are committing the worst form of treason, aiding an enemy of both the USA and the Enlightenment that provided the foundation for the Republic.

Heraclitusstudent says
He's bowing, right?

Some might say he's bending over.
28 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Sep 8, 7:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

KSA defines terrorism to include anything that calls into question the fundamentals of Islam, including blasphemy and especially atheism. Worldwide, huge numbers of Muslims (including KSA, Pakistan, Islamic State, and Islamic Sharia patrols) are deadly serious about killing blasphemers, ...


Can anyone give me even one good reason why, as an atheist, I would not want Islam destroyed?
29 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 13, 3:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Saudi calls for social media informants decried as 'Orwellian'

(Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has urged its people to report subversive comments spotted on social media via a phone app, a move denounced by a human rights watchdog as “Orwellian”.

The appeal, announced on a Twitter account run by the interior ministry late on Tuesday, coincides with an apparent crackdown on potential government critics and a call by exiled opposition figures for demonstrations.

“When you notice any account on social networks publishing terrorist or extremist ideas, please report it immediately via the application #We‘re_all_security”, it said, referring to a mobile phone app launched last year to enable civilians to report traffic violations and burglaries.

Hours later, the public prosecutor tweeted a section of the kingdom’s terrorism law which states: “Endangering national unity, obstructing the Basic Law of governance or some of its articles, and harming the state’s reputation or status are terrorist crimes.”

More: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-security-arrests/saudi-calls-for-social-media-informants-decried-as-orwellian-idUSKCN1BO1K9?il=0
30 Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 13, 3:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Makes Trump look like a pasty white Mr. T on a bad hair day.
31 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 13, 3:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
The appeal, announced on a Twitter account run by the interior ministry late on Tuesday, coincides with an apparent crackdown on potential government critics and a call by exiled opposition figures for demonstrations.


Techarchs in the USA already do that to those who oppose Hormone Denialists.
32 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Sep 13, 4:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@TwoScoops - might start to be a thing over here as well in the broader arena.

Transylvania University Student Targeted By Fellow Student For Deportation.

college senior in Kentucky was targeted on Facebook by a fellow student for deportation. The student, an undocumented citizen and recipient of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), began seeking help Sunday from individuals through YouTube after her university allegedly did nothing to help.

Paola Garcia, 21, who attends Transylvania University (TU) in Lexington, Kentucky, claimed the college didn't attempt to help her when she reported the incident. Officials allegedly believed the post, which was published by student Taylor Ragg in late August, doesn't violate TU's nondiscrimination policy.

"Everyone go report this illegal at my school bragging about breaking the law," Ragg said in a Facebook post.

The post was published in a racial hate group on Facebook called the Tenth Crusade Enthusiasts. Garcia claims she's received numerous threats on social media from members of the group, which allegedly included pictures of a group member filling out an illegal immigrant tip form to Homeland Security.

http://www.ibtimes.com/transylvania-university-student-targeted-fellow-student-deportation-2589494

Fun and games - American turning on illegals first, than each other.
33 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Sep 13, 6:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

They chased out the photographers when the king stuffed dick into Trump face
34 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 4, 9:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Trump Calls for Saudi Aramco to List on New York Stock Exchange. President Donald Trump said the U.S. would “very much appreciate” if the government of Saudi Arabia listed oil giant Saudi Arabian Oil Co. -- better known as Aramco -- on the New York Stock Exchange.

“Important to the United States!” Trump said in a Twitter post from Honolulu early Saturday, hours before he was set to depart for an 11-day tour of Asia.

Trump’s tweet came out of the blue for Saudi Aramco, according to a person familiar with the company, who asked not to be named. A spokesperson of Saudi Aramco declined to comment.

Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman is currently deciding where to stage what could be the world’s largest initial public offering. Choosing New York in addition to Tadawul, the Saudi exchange, could boost the longstanding strategic alliance between the two countries.

The head of Tadawul said in late October that the Saudi exchange wants to be the exclusive venue for the IPO, telling the Financial Times the exchange was doing what it takes “to make sure Aramco is listed here only.”

“Our aspiration for Tadawul, as the main exchange in the region, is to be the exclusive venue for Aramco,” said Khalid Abdullah Al Hussan, chief executive officer of Tadawul.

The Saudi government may also be reluctant to list Aramco on NYSE because doing so may require greater disclosure of sensitive company information than listing in London or Hong Kong, or seeking private financing.

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-04/trump-calls-for-saudi-aramco-to-list-on-new-york-stock-exchange
35 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 4, 12:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

The Saudi government may also be reluctant to list Aramco on NYSE because doing so may require greater disclosure of sensitive company information than listing in London or Hong Kong, or seeking private financing.


That's why it's never going to happen. A lot of people are going to get screwed by the Aramco stock offering. Watch how fast KSA new found commitment against terrorism disappears once KSA has the money from the stock listing.
36 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 4, 2:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

That's a sign of mutual trust and honor. World does respect republican leaders a whole lot more than Democrats, that's for sure.
37 anon_6a185   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 4, 7:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says
That's a sign of mutual trust and honor. World does respect republican leaders a whole lot more than Democrats, that's for sure.


You don't read the foreign press much do you?
38 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 4, 7:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
That's why it's never going to happen. A lot of people are going to get screwed by the Aramco stock offering. Watch how fast KSA new found commitment against terrorism disappears once KSA has the money from the stock listing.


Screen'd for posterity.
39 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 4, 8:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
BayAreaObserver says

The Saudi government may also be reluctant to list Aramco on NYSE because doing so may require greater disclosure of sensitive company information than listing in London or Hong Kong, or seeking private financing.


That's why it's never going to happen. A lot of people are going to get screwed by the Aramco stock offering. Watch how fast KSA new found commitment against terrorism disappears once KSA has the money from the stock listing.


I'm pretty sure they will list Aramco in the NYSE. Offering just 5% of the company will require a lot of disclosure to gain trust. Besides, we are now partners with them, and they better do what we say.
The only thing that will disappear over the years is the value and need for oil. All these oil exporting countries, and oil companies are doomed.
So sad!
40 jvolstad   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 4, 9:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

As long as there isn't an "R" on it, President Trump should be OK.
41 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 12:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Saudi Arabia has agreed to buy the Russian S-400 air defense system, Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television reported on Thursday, on the sidelines of a visit by Saudi King Salman to Moscow.

The Dubai-based television channel also said that Saudi Arabia had signed a memorandum of understanding to help the kingdom in its efforts to develop its own military industries.

Salman arrived in Moscow on Wednesday, and it was the first time a Saudi king has ever visited Moscow.

Salman and Russian President Vladimir Putin were slated to talk about global oil market and the war in Syria, the latter of which has been a source of tension between the two nations in recent years. Moscow backs the Syrian regime, while Riyadh has supported the government's enemies.

This is also the first time in recent years, according to SIPRI, that Saudi Arabia has purchased weaponry from Moscow, as the US is Riyadh's main source of arms.

And this is the second time in the last month that Moscow has sold its S-400 missile defense system to an ally of, and major purchaser of weapons from, the US. Last month, Turkey agreed to buy the S-400 defense system, which has further strained relations between Ankara and NATO.

“A number of Gulf leaders have been going with greater regularity to Moscow and I think for a simple reason: Russia has made itself much more of a factor in key parts of the Middle East as the U.S. has taken a step back in some ways, particularly in Syria,” Brian Katulis, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, told the Associated Press.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-saudi-arabia-agrees-to-buy-russian-s-400-air-defense-system-arabiya-tv-2017- 10">http://www.businessinsider.com/r-saudi-arabia-agrees-to-buy-russian-s-400-air-defense-system-arabiya-tv-2017-10

Russia confirms sale of S-400 missile systems to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.rt.com/business/406116-russia-saudi-arabia-s400-delivery/

When will the winning and the MAGA stop ? Anyone see we're being played here by the Saudis and if so does anyone in Washington care ?
42 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 16, 3:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says

Russia confirms sale of S-400 missile systems to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.rt.com/business/406116-russia-saudi-arabia-s400-delivery/

When will the winning and the MAGA stop ? Anyone see we're being played here by the Saudis and if so does anyone in Washington care ?


Just a token purchase by the Saudis to keep their new oil buddy happy. The Saudis know who the boss is, and that's us.
43 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 3:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"The Saudis know who the boss is, and that's us".

That's pretty funny.

What's even funnier is how we fight all their proxy wars for them and keep giving them contracts etc. after 9-11 which is where the hijackers were from.

No what's eve funnier than that ?

All the billions we are spending on the war on terror to kill us by death of a thousand cuts financially when Bin Laden spent less than 500K to take down those towers.

Bet we take the bait once more and get involved in more bullshit in the Middle East to fight their arch rival, Iran ?

Just between you and me - think Putin if you want to know who is really making things happen along with China. We haven't finished rebuilding Iraq, who's going to pay for Syria and the rest of the countries we liberated ?
44 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 16, 3:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
Just between you and me - think Putin if you want to know who is really making things happen along with China. We haven't finished rebuilding Iraq, who's going to pay for Syria and the rest of the countries we liberated ?


We ain't paying. Fuck them.
45 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

We will be paying one way or another and probably with lives at first so don't forget to support the troops. The longer we stay in bed with the house of Saud, the more we will pay. It's kind of like being with a hooker that charges by the minute and we are well past that now and into the years category so it's one huge bill.
46 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 16, 5:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
We will be paying one way or another and probably with lives at first so don't forget to support the troops. The longer we stay in bed with the house of Saud, the more we will pay. It's kind of like being with a hooker that charges by the minute and we are well past that now and into the years category so it's one huge bill.


It's time for these Islamic countries to go after their own terrorists. Let them die, why us? We can sell them all the weapons they need to do a good job.
47 bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
The Saudis know who the boss is, and that's us.


So that's why every president for the last 50 years has sucked saudi dick Because we're the boss.
48 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 16, 7:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

bob2356 says
Strategist says
The Saudis know who the boss is, and that's us.


So that's why every president for the last 50 years has sucked saudi dick Because we're the boss.


We needed their oil so we sucked their dick. Now, the Saudis need us if they want to defeat the Shiites, and transform themselves into a productive society without oil.
Either they suck our dick, or they suck Shiite dick. Which dick do you think they would want to suck, and suck hard?
50 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 11:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Growing ties between Saudis and Israelis could be an ominous sign.

•The Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff has given an historic interview with a Saudi newspaper.

•In it, he promises that Israel is ready to share intelligence with Riyadh about Iran.

•This news is the latest evidence that the Saudis completely prepared for a direct war with Tehran.

The winds of war in the Middle East, specifically pitting Iran against Saudi Arabia, are turning into a full-blown sandstorm. And the latest evidence of this comes from a surprising source: An interview in a Saudi newspaper.

No, a relatively short interview in an Arabic-language paper in Riyadh isn't usually a big deal. But it is when that interview is with the Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces, Lt. General Gadi Eisenkot.

The interview alone is big news, as it's the first of its kind with an Israeli military official in the Saudi press. But it's what Eisenkot said in the interview that really made history and made it clearer than ever that Saudi Arabia and Iran are marching ever closer to a direct confrontation.

Here are the three Eisenkot quotes from Saudi Arabia's Elaph newspaper that deserve the most attention:

"With President Donald Trump, there is an opportunity for a new international alliance in the region and a major strategic plan to stop the Iranian threat."

"We are ready to share intelligence, (with Saudi Arabia), if necessary. There are many common interests between us."

"Iran seeks to take control of the Middle East, creating a Shi'ite crescent from Lebanon to Iran, and then from the Gulf to the Red Sea. We must prevent this from happening."

The creation of once non-existent ties between Saudi Arabia and Israel has been widely reported, but never publicly confirmed by either government, ever since the Iran nuclear deal was signed by the U.S. and other key Western nations. There have been coy hints to be sure, like when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a halfhearted "no comment" to 60 Minutes reporter Leslie Stahl when she asked him last year if Israel had improved its relationship with Saudi Arabia as part of a coalition against Iran. And neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia has yet confirmed widespread reports in the Middle Eastern media that new Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman secretly visited Israel in September.

More: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/17/israel-and-saudi-arabia-forging-ties-could-mean-war-with-iran-commentary.html

Guess if we can't get Kim to capitulate and let us start a war in Asia might as well go back to the Middle East, at least it's familiar territory and we can see how well our weapons work - against us.
51 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 5:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
Growing ties between Saudis and Israelis could be an ominous sign.

•The Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff has given an historic interview with a Saudi newspaper.

•In it, he promises that Israel is ready to share intelligence with Riyadh about Iran.

•This news is the latest evidence that the Saudis completely prepared for a direct war with Tehran.


My my my, how quickly things change. So easy to divide and conquer Muslims. Good riddance to them both.
Hey Trump, can you order the Saudis to attack before Christmas? I want it to be a "Merry Xmas"
52 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 17, 5:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Wait, the Gulf States and Israel having better relations is a bad thing? Saudis beginning to work with Shi'a Iraqis and Shi'a elsewhere (just not Iran)?

Iran isn't run by insane Mullahs?

There's a bunch of crazy shit going on in Iran too, Revolutionary Guard purge, people disappearing, and it's an economic basketcase to boot.

Keep the pressure ON Iran. And, it's wonderful that the Stabestinian Terrorists are losing all serious support except that of the Mullahs.
53 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 5:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BayAreaObserver says
Guess if we can't get Kim to capitulate and let us start a war in Asia might as well go back to the Middle East, at least it's familiar territory and we can see how well our weapons work - against us.


No worries mate. When the war starts they will be doing all the fighting. And being the good guys, we will ask them to show restraint. :)
The most sophisticated weapons we sell to them come with a "kill switch" I read somewhere the Pakistanis were complaining, their F16's have the kill switch.
54 Strategist   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 17, 5:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Wait, the Gulf States and Israel having better relations is a bad thing? Saudis beginning to work with Shi'a Iraqis and Shi'a elsewhere (just not Iran)?

Iran isn't run by insane Mullahs?

There's a bunch of crazy shit going on in Iran too, Revolutionary Guard purge, people disappearing, and it's an economic basketcase to boot.

Keep the pressure ON Iran. And, it's wonderful that the Stabestinian Terrorists are losing all serious support except that of the Mullahs.


Iran has promised to wipe out Israel, and are developing the means to do so. Does anyone really expect us to just roll over and play dead? Does anyone think Israel won't use nukes on Iran's nuclear facilities when they cross a certain RED LINE?
The fucking Mid East will always be a mess. Let the Mullahs kill each other. ...A dead Mullah, is a good Mullah.

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