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The Montana special election just got interesting

By anonymous following x   2017 May 24, 6:15pm 2,208 views   33 comments   watch   quote     share    


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams-reporter-ben-jacobs-montana

Carrie Wong and Sam LevinWednesday 24 May 2017 21.13EDTFirst published on Wednesday 24 May 2017 20.11EDTThe Republican candidate for Montanas congressional seat slammed a Guardian reporter to the floor on the eve of the states special election, breaking his glasses and shouting, Get the hell out of here.Ben Jacobs, a Guardian political reporter, was asking Greg Gianforte, a tech millionaire running for the seat vacated by Ryan Zinke, about the Republican healthcare plan when the candidate allegedly

1   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 24, 6:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I just listened to the audio. Fucking hilarious. Can you imagine the town halls if this guy wins?

2   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 May 24, 6:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

LOCK HIM UP!
Reporters should carry & stand their ground.
New Journalist motto: Touch me & DIE!

“First off, we have to stop taking new federal money,” he told the questioner. “We have commitments, we have to stop taking new money.”

How much SOCIALIST old money are Montana Republicans sticking in their pockets?
BOYCOTT ALL REPUBLICANS!
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2016/04/10/montana-wean-new-federal-funds/82872940/

3   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 May 24, 6:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

How DARE anyone ask a Republican a question on policy!!!!!!!!!! Send that reporter to Guantanamo with the guy who asked Trump if Obama was still wiretapping him.

4   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 May 24, 7:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Democrats could kick Conservative journalists in the genitalia.

5   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

I don't know if I should root for this idiot to lose (Dems claw back a seat in the house) or win (Be a shining example of a corrupt Repuglican criminal). J/k, I want him to lose.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-candidate-cited-for-assault-as-newspapers-pull-endorsements/2017/05/25/eb416990-413b-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?utm_term=.20c87b920b29

6   TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 9:40pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd another special election lost by the Dems. Quist felt he coulda won if it was resourced.

By 6 pts right now.

8   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 3:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd another special election lost by the Dems. Quist felt he coulda won if it was resourced.

By 6 pts right now

Funny reading the liberal comments on the wapo article about this election. Bunch of sore losers.

9   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 26, 3:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

lol at Montanans. Physically assaulting a reporter a day before the election is a little like shooting someone on 5th avenue. On the other hand, the Dems ran a folk singer from the 70s who has back taxes to pay against a guy who sold his company for $1.5 billion in a country that idolizes wealth. That's a hard sell.

10   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 4:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Was kind of a non-story as far as the results since 70% or so of the votes had already been cast by mail before all of this happened. Montana law does not allow for votes to be pulled back after they have been received. Guess a few voters had second thoughts after the story broke but it was too late.

11   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 26, 4:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

BayAreaObserver says

70% or so of the votes had already been cast

I was wondering about that.

12   APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 May 26, 5:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

He won.

If this guy starts shooting reporters in the face, he stands a chance of being our next PRECEDENT!

13   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 5:39am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

DEms, dems-if you can't beat a guy who choked a reporter-maybe something wrong with your message. Strange not a peep on the elftwing sites-just imagine if he had won. All the negative coverage on the Trump didn't stop him did it.

Mayeb care about the middle class -you know outsourced people, people with no hope-that used to be the demwits message that trump stole and the demwits have instead gone to supporting the SJWs.

14   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 9:01am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

The MSM can't even help curious2 says

Democratic Representative John Murtha (D-PA) died from a gallbladder "surgical error", after voting to impose Obamneycare upon everyone.

One way and another, that legislation has really devastated the House Democrats, who used to have a majority until they enacted it.

Obama, ObamaCare, hate against white people = 1,000+ legislative seats lost by Democrats since 2010.

15   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 9:05am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Nobody likes reporters these days, especially in Red states. They're tired of being lied to and having the real news spun on the Loom of Lies into fake news. 50% of them thought he had it coming!

16   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 9:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Quigley says

Nobody likes reporters these days, especially in Red states. They're tired of being lied to and having the real news spun on the Loom of Lies into fake news. 50% of them thought he had it coming!

I despise violence, but if you put your camera phone, aggressively, centimeters from their face when they aren't giving you the response you want, I would expect a physical response in return.

17   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Wow-Goran_K that is unbelievable. Are you sure that's what you want to say?

18   HardSock   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 9:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Reporters are bunch of idiots and always think are are of privileged breed. They always trespass and misuse press.

19   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 9:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

Wow-Goran_K that is unbelievable. Are you sure that's what you want to say?

I wouldn't have said it if I didn't believe it. If someone puts their camera phone a few centimeters from my face trying to goad me into answering a question I've already given an answer to or made clear that I won't answer, then that person is not only being an asshole, but also invading my personal space.

Now I'm not saying I would start wrestling with them, but I would at least have pushed their arm out of my face very firmly, and if that didn't dissuade them from invading my personal space, I'd escalate it until they stopped.

20   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 10:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

How is this the DEMS fault, if the majority of the votes were cast before the incident ? Not getting the logic - if they had a loser candidate - then the incident is a nothing burger in the big shceme of things but Turmplligula was congratulating him on a Yuuugeee win never the less I guess to prove you can do anything as a GOP candidate and still get elected.

21   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 10:34am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

BayAreaObserver says

I guess to prove you can do anything as a GOP candidate and still get elected.

Then what does it say about DNC candidates who still can't get elected despite the GOP candidate "doing anything"?

Also Gianforte won by 6 points, the incident happened when over 30% of the vote was still outstanding. There was plenty of vote "left" to swing over to Quist. But those votes never swung over despite the incident.

Seems like Montana voters didn't really agree with the MSM version of what happened.

22   iwog   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 10:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says

Then what does it say about DNC candidates who still can't get elected despite the GOP candidate "doing anything"?

Interesting question. One might also ask what does it say about Germany's electorate that they put Hitler into office?

Or perhaps it's the same question?

23   TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Just FYI Ben Jacobs was a Dem Leader before he went to work for the Globalist Guardian, which has completely fallen from reality after it put two SJW Women in charge.

24   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 10:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says

I wouldn't have said it if I didn't believe it. If someone puts their camera phone a few centimeters from my face trying to goad me into answering a question I've already given an answer to or made clear that I won't answer, then that person is not only being an asshole, but also invading my personal space.

Well, first of all, by all accounts (save the lie from the Gianforte campaign) that's not what happened.

But, regardless, you are advocating for a fundamental difference in the US law. Just curious--where do you draw the line then. Where does your "personal space" begin? If it's a crowded subway, am I allowed to sucker punch you? Or is it the repeated questions? So, 2 times asking a questions is OK, but the 3rd time gives me the right to deck someone?

25   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 10:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

The truth is that the US electorate is so divided and uninformed that in many districts the Republican party could run a pile of dog crap for Congress and win. Whatever name has the R after it will win no matter what. Montana is a perfect example of this, but there are many others. The gerrymandered districts made it much worse.

26   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran - the Dems need to get as far away as possible, as quickly as possible from anything that can be associated with Hillary and then try to stay focused on upcoming blowback as more of the GOP agenda gets revealed to the rank and file that put Trump in office. Then go about actually offering something reasonable, doable and has appeal to both sides of the aisle. So much for wishful thinking today...

The only good thing I saw in the last 24-36 hours out of this was no one really was jumping into the fray outside of the media and if I am correct the DEM candidate deferred comment saying the voters have to make up their minds.

Would being able to have the votes rescinded matter - who knows? If this had happened 45-60 days out - who knows? The DEMS need a better playbook and plan.

27   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

Interesting question. One might also ask what does it say about Germany's electorate that they put Hitler into office?

Or perhaps it's the same question?

Was Hitler so bad?

If you minus the anti-semitism, anti-slavic, war raging imperialism, and the holocaust (which was more Himmler's brainchild than Hitler's), if we're being honest, Hitler was totally right about Europe, and in some ways the US.

Let's look at Hitler's main points from his speeches to the Nazi party from 1933 to 1936, and from his book Mein Kampf.

Not all cultures are equal. I do value diversity, and enjoy learning about other cultures, but it is factually true that some cultures are simply better than other cultures. We know this through what a culture produces, and the relative wealth, health, and happiness of the people who claim that culture.

Social Darwinism. Inferior cultures should learn and incorporate attributes and traits from superior cultures, or those cultures should be allowed to vanish, not by some bloody holocaust, but by simply not being able to propagate and survive through their own inferiority. I.E - I consider the Aztec and Inca cultures inferior to European culture.

Family is the Core of a healthy people. Sexual immorality, prostitution, and promiscuity regress the formation of families and have proven destructive socio-political implications. Take a look at Chicago for instance. Democrats think Chicago has a gun problem. That's factually wrong. Chicago has a culture problem. Black men killing other black men is most of the murders in the city. Most of those black men are from single parent families, or may not have their biological parents around at all (being raised by an uncle or grandparent). The disintegration of the core nuclear family has wide spread socio-political consequences.

Marxism and Democracy are failed systems. Marxism has proven to be a failure in history, so I won't go into that too deeply. But so has Democracy. Hitler believed democracy was nothing more than a preliminary stage of Bolshevism, which if you look at the United States, and the rise in popularity of liberal/regressive left statism/Bernie Sanders, he was right. Mob Rule is not what the forefathers of the United States had in mind. Checks and balances under a Constitutional Republic was what they wanted, and it lead to the creation of the greatest country in the history of the world by wealth, health outcomes, and military might. That was slowly being eroded away by Democrats at the judicial, and executive level as we've saw the past 8 years under Obama.

I could go on, but I believe that sort of sets the point home. Now I want to underline this main point, I do not agree with the methods and violence that Hitler used to achieve his goals. I simply think that for the most part, he was right on many points and after reading his book Mein Kampf, it's almost eerie how well he predicted what's happening in the European Union and United States of today.

28   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

Well, first of all, by all accounts (save the lie from the Gianforte campaign) that's not what happened.

But, regardless, you are advocating for a fundamental difference in the US law. Just curious--where do you draw the line then. Where does your "personal space" begin? If it's a crowded subway, am I allowed to sucker punch you? Or is it the repeated questions? So, 2 times asking a questions is OK, but the 3rd time gives me the right to deck someone?

So you believe that he blew a gasket simply because of a question? That seems like fake news to me. I do believe that the reporter invaded his personal space, and while I don't agree with the physical response (wrestling), I do agree there should have been a response.

Your subway example is a total strawman. The reporter was not invading Gianforte's personal space out of circumstance, he did it by choice.

29   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 11:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

The truth is that the US electorate is so divided and uninformed that in many districts the Republican party could run a pile of dog crap for Congress and win.

Uh, 200+ of those districts voted for Obama for 8 years straight. Then they flipped red in 2016.

The reason the Democrats lost in 2016 is because of what you're doing right now, calling them "uninformed", even "deplorable" without even knowing or understanding their circumstances or why they voted Republican instead of Democrat after giving Democrats 8 years of support.

Maybe, and this is just a big maybe given how badly Democrats have eroded their own party since 2010, you should look at the failures of your political party and its ideology. Hint: You can only call working class white people "racist rich privileged assholes" for so long before they turn on you.

30   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 May 26, 11:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Goran_K says

So you believe that he blew a gasket simply because of a question?

I believe what the eyewitnesses said. You don't believe them? Because why exactly?

Goran_K says

Your subway example is a total strawman. The reporter was not invading Gianforte's personal space out of circumstance, he did it by choice.

Ah, the intent matters then? Great--so if I get too close to you ON PURPOSE, then all bets are off?

31   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 11:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BayAreaObserver says

Goran - the Dems need to get as far away as possible, as quickly as possible from anything that can be associated with Hillary and then try to stay focused on upcoming blowback as more of the GOP agenda gets revealed to the rank and file that put Trump in office. Then go about actually offering something reasonable, doable and has appeal to both sides of the aisle. So much for wishful thinking today...

The only good thing I saw in the last 24-36 hours out of this was no one really was jumping into the fray outside of the media and if I am correct the DEM candidate deferred comment saying the voters have to make up their minds.

Would being able to have the votes rescinded matter - who knows? If this had happened 45-60 days out - who knows? The DEMS need a better playbook and plan.

Cooperation would be the best result, this is scientifically proven, spiritually proven, "any metric you want to use" proven.

It's the basic prisoner's dilemma.

Instead of years in prison, replace those with "detriments to society".

Instead of prisoner 1 and 2, replace those with "Democrat and Republican".

If D and R actually did agree to cooperate, you would get the best outcome. But because both sides do not trust each other, we end up with the worst "benefit to society" because we end up with these extremist from both sides, the worst the parties have to offer.

In all honesty, I didn't think Quist was a bad candidate, he was a moderate IMO and would be considered a right wing Republican had he been running in California. But because of the political distrust between R and D, there's no cooperation, there's no balance. The last time that happened or came close to happening was when Reagan was elected in 1980 and it lead to the highest GDP growth the country has seen in the past 40 years.

See the area under Reagan's curve? That represents trillions of dollars of economic output, jobs, and companies being created. That's the benefit of a government that isn't trying to tear itself apart on partisan lines.

32   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 May 26, 11:23am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

Ah, the intent matters then? Great--so if I get too close to you ON PURPOSE, then all bets are off?

If you get too close to my face with your hand against my wishes, you will get a response.

If you're at dinner, at a classy restaurant in New York City, San Francisco, etc. Imagine you're there, eating under a nice umbrella, outdoor seating, enjoying the breeze and your meal with your wife/gf/husband/boyfriend. Then some bum pulls out his salty smelling erect dick and puts it 2 inches from the side of your wife's face.

According to you, that doesn't require a physical response? Ooookay.

33   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 May 27, 3:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

‘The Onion’ Invites Republican Candidate Greg Gianforte To Physically Assault Our Entire Editorial Staff Given the important policies they oversee and the highly public nature of their work, it is to be expected that our government officials will at times come into conflict with the press, especially amid the tense political circumstances in which we now find ourselves. And it is not unusual for these tensions to reach an explosive flash point, as they did last night in Montana when Republican congressional candidate Greg Gianforte attacked a reporter from The Guardian for asking what was a shamefully antagonistic and prying question regarding the Republicans’ proposed healthcare bill.

In light of these events, our editorial board would like to state our unwavering support of Mr. Gianforte and invite him to physically assault every member of The Onion’s news staff.

It has always been the belief of this storied publication that elected officials and the press have important roles to play in our democracy: namely, that the former sets the policies that guide our nation, and the latter subserviently provides a mouthpiece to trumpet the will and intentions of the ruling class without question and without complaint. We here at The Onion are fully aware that our own reporters, like all members of the power-mad, out-of-control media, frequently overstep these sacred boundaries by scrutinizing the decisions and actions that those in mighty seats of authority, such as Mr. Gianforte, do not wish to discuss. And in such instances, it is important—imperative, even—that those who hold the reins of power put us in our place and punish us, preferably with considerable physical force, so that we never again commit such improper transgressions.

If any of our journalists have ever made Mr. Gianforte feel threatened in any way at all, whether by holding a recorder too close to his face, writing a story that did not paint him in a positive light, or disrespectfully seeking clarification on a point he or his party might have made, we encourage him to use his fists, knees, elbows, or a blunt object of his choice to make it known through repeated physical blows how we have upset him.

To demonstrate our publication’s commitment to the solemn mission of maintaining the press’s proper subservience to the privileged and powerful, we invite—indeed, we encourage—Mr. Gianforte to visit The Onion’s headquarters at his convenience. Upon entering our offices, he will promptly be directed to the rows of desks where our editorial staff produce their reportage so that he may assault each and every one of us for as long as he deems necessary.

Furthermore, The Onion would like to make it clear to Mr. Gianforte—as well as all other politicians who serve at all levels of government—that if at any time in the future you are ever asked a question by a member of our staff that you find unfair, intrusive, disparaging, or that simply makes you feel uncomfortable, please immediately channel all of your strength into shoving this individual out of your presence, preferably knocking them to the ground or against the wall, so that they may understand their error. And if one of our reporters ever attempts to record an interaction that you do not wish to have documented, The Onion kindly suggests that you grab the camera or tape recorder from the journalist’s hands and throw it back into their chest or against a nearby wall as vigorously as you are capable of.

To further clarify just how he may treat our journalists, we ask that Mr. Gianforte refer to the following list of attacks that we have approved for his use, either individually or in combination, against any member of The Onion staff:

Slap
Kick
Punch to face
Punch to abdomen
Punch to back of head
Throw to ground
Chokehold
Hit with heavy object
Throat stomp
Grab by hair and smash face into tabletop
Suplex

While not a physically injurious attack, it should be noted that Mr. Gianforte is additionally allowed to spit on us.

The Onion believes strongly in the deferential role that the press must play in American democracy, and last night’s event in Montana was just the latest positive episode in the elegant dance between journalism and power that has gone on since this country’s founding. Without the vigilance and threats of physical violence from brave men and women like Mr. Gianforte, the press would surely become too brazen and powerful.

Mr. Gianforte, we hope that you accept our apology on behalf of the disgusting, disrespectful Guardian journalist who asked you that reprehensible question yesterday, and please know that we have readied a selection of heavy wooden bats for your use here in our offices and we eagerly await your reply.

http://www.theonion.com/article/onion-invites-republican-candidate-greg-gianforte--56117


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