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What you can do about Islamic terrorism

By someone else following x   2017 May 25, 9:24am 28,836 views   221 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"

The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.

Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.

Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:

  • "Saying bad things about Islam is Islamophobic".

    What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused mostly by US policy in the Mideast"

    Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.

    It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.

  • "American wars are also terrorism"

    No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.

    The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.

  • "Islamic terrorism is caused by inequality and poverty"

    Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.

    Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.

  • "Muslims used to be more peaceful, so it's something we've done to them."

    No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.

    If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.

    "In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

    "It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.[25]

    Jefferson reported the conversation to Secretary of Foreign Affairs John Jay, who submitted the ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks."

    Note the year, 1786. The Constitution was created in 1787, and ratified in 1788. The reason we have a Constitutional republic is largely to enable Congress to raise an army and navy, and the reason America needed that was largely because Islam says what it says.

    See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821

  • "Christians are terrorists too"

    So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  • "Christianity also teaches evil things"

    No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
    There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam

    It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.

  • "Islam is tolerant of other religions"

    No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.

    Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.

  • "But Jesus is part of Islam too"

    Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.

  • "But I have good Muslim friends. They would not murder people."

    Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.

  • "Muslims tell me that Islam doesn't teach those awful things"

    Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.

  • "Terrorist are not real Muslims"

    Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.

    If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?

  • "Most Muslims are not terrorists"

    True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."

  • "It's racist to talk about the connection between Islam and terrorism."

    No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.

  • "We need to open our doors to refugees"

    No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.

  • "The principal victims of Islam are other Muslims"

    This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.

  • "You're more likely to get attacked by a shark than murdered by a terrorist"

    Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.

  • "The constitution forbids excluding Muslims based on religion"

    No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.

  • "It's pointless and dangerous to offend a billion Muslims"

    No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.

    They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.

  • "There is nothing you can do"

    OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.

Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.

If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.

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41   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 6:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

But his followers sure as hell did.

The closest example of this I could find was when Jesus was arrested, Peter took his sword and struck the ear from a Roman guard. In response, Jesus corrected Peter and restored the guard's ear.

People who murder and rape aren't following Jesus, clearly.

42   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 25, 6:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says

The closest example of this I could find was when Jesus was arrested

How about looking at examples from 340 A.D. to 1945 A.D. Or do you just want to ignore that small part of Christian history?

43   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 6:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Whereas Mohammed murdered his enemies:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/index.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/52750

Typical example: The 60 year old Mohammed murdered pretty 17 year old Jewess Safia's father and brothers, tortured her husband to death, and then fucked her same day breaking his own rule of no sex with captured women for 30 days.

He's just like Jesus because all religions are about equally bad, right Dan?

44   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 6:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

his own rule of no sex with captured women for 30 days.

Oh such a decent guy Mohammad was. Such class, such empathy, such a wonderful conscience. As they say......Mohammad was the perfect human being.
Why couldnt Jesus be like him?

45   socal2   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 6:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

Somehow Germany has a great GDP per capita while using half the oil we do per person.

Isn't most of that attributed to the fact that Germany is much smaller geographically whose major cities were built along existing rail lines and people aren't driving 1 hour commutes to their jobs?

Also, Germany doesn't have the same extreme hot and cold climates like we have in the US requiring air conditioning and heat.

46   Zee   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 7:03pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aren't radical Muslims just Muslims...?

47   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

rando says

Somehow Germany has a great GDP per capita while using half the oil we do per person.

Isn't most of that attributed to the fact that Germany is much smaller geographically whose major cities were built along existing rail lines and people aren't driving 1 hour commutes to their jobs?

Also, Germany doesn't have the same extreme hot and cold climates like we have in the US requiring air conditioning and heat.

So true. They have a wonderful public transportation system, and smaller cars. Japan, UK, France, all use less oil on a per capita basis.
We are rich Americans, we are supposed to splurge.

48   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Zee says

Aren't radical Muslims just Muslims...?

Yes. Islam is a radical religion. Therefore an average practicing Muslim must be radical.

49   Zee   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 7:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Zee says

Aren't radical Muslims just Muslims...?

Yes. Islam is a radical religion. Therefore an average practicing Muslim must be radical.

I mean, they are doing what their holy scriptures demand. Death to infidels and all that. sigh smh...Humanity really ought to grow up.

50   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oil is used for transport. Germany is small and dense. Industry doesn't use much oil. Very little is used for electricity, and less and less is used for heat.

51   missing   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 7:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick, did Mohammed do worse things than Jehovah? What about Zeus vs. Jehovah?

Since you have become such an expert on the tales of magical beings and those who communicate with them, as well as those who believe the said tales, why don't you do a ranking:
1. badness of magical being
2. badness of magical being communicator (a.k.a. prophet)
3. badness of believers

52   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 25, 7:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

rando says

He's just like Jesus because all religions are about equally bad, right Dan?

I've said many times that all religions are not equally bad and that any religion is not equally bad throughout all centuries. However, there are several truths that cannot be denied.

1. All religions are intrinsically bad. It is bad to base any decision on a lie.
2. You cannot fight one irrationality with another. You can only fight irrationality with rationality.
3. Christianity has severe consequences in the United States. It harms our rights and it causes bad policy making that threatens the continuing existence of our species through ecological collapse and nuclear war.
4. There is no up side to promoting irrational lies. You cannot fool people into being better persons. You can only fool them into being worse.

Arguing that we should embrace Christianity because it's better than Islam is like arguing we should embrace rape because its better than murder. That's a false choice. Lesser evils enable greater evils. The police call this The Broken Window Theory. It applies to religion and all irrational superstitious nonsense as well.

At the heart of all religions is a lie, and that lie makes them corruptible.

Tell me Patrick, do you really believe Jesus is a god and that he rose from the dead? Can you really square that crazy myth with your scientific knowledge and understanding of the universe? And if not, do you really believe in the Useful Lie Hypothesis?

53   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 7:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Christian history?

Since "Christian" defines as "follower of Christ," and you're not following Christ when you commit atrocities (even if you claim to be doing His work), then I fail to see your point!

http://www.theonion.com/article/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-222

54   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

1. All religions are intrinsically bad. It is bad to base any decision on a lie.

2. You cannot fight one irrationality with another. You can only fight irrationality with rationality.

3. Christianity has severe consequences in the United States. It harms our rights and it causes bad policy making that threatens the continuing existence of our species through ecological collapse and nuclear war.

4. There is no up side to promoting irrational lies. You cannot fool people into being better persons. You can only fool them into being worse.

Do you realize how irrational you are when every time you claim we must destroy Christianity first in order to destroy Islam? I totally agree with your #2.

Dan8267 says

Arguing that we should embrace Christianity because it's better than Islam is like arguing we should embrace rape because its better than murder. That's a false choice. Lesser evils enable greater evils.

We should not embrace any religion, because nonsense is still nonsense. However, Muslims that kill should embrace Christians that don't kill, because that is a step in the right direction. That is, if they must believe in a God.

55   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

should embrace

Actually, if they must have a religion, I would suggest for their consideration the religions of their ancestors who did better in the same places. Afghanistan was better off Buddhist, which is why the Muslim Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhist sculptures: the Muslim Taliban could only destroy, and they hated seeing proof that their ancestors' Buddhist civilization knew how to build. The Persian ancestors of today's Iranians were better off Zorastrian, but Islam commands Muslims to kill Zorastrians, so there are none left anymore. Iraqis were better off in the time of Babylon, and Syria was better off Roman, which is why the Islamic State destoyed the ancient idols of both of those civilizations; Islam crushes everything un-Islamic. I don't suggest launching another Crusade, as W said he was doing.

56   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 25, 7:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Quigley says

Since "Christian" defines as "follower of Christ," and you're not following Christ when you commit atrocities (even if you claim to be doing His work), then I fail to see your point!

Let's apply this No True Scottsman argument to Islam.

Islam is a religion of peace. Therefore when you cannot be a Muslim if you commit atrocities even if you clam to be doing Allah's work. So stop blaming Islam for all the Islamic terrorism.

57   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 25, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Do you realize how irrational you are when every time you claim we must destroy Christianity first in order to destroy Islam?

1. I did not claim that. I claimed supporting Christianity aids Islam and that the only way to defeat Islam is with rationality. The order of the fading of the religions is not important. Undermining faith itself is what is important.
2. Just because you claim something is irrational doesn't make it so. Demonstrate why I am wrong instead of making baseless assertions.

58   justme   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 7:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I'll expand on and pose similar questions to those I posted in the other thread:

Why is it not terrorism for Christian nations (US and so many European allies) to bomb and shoot and maim and kill rampantly all over the middle east for the last 15 years, for no valid moral reason, in fact mostly for all kinds of morally reprehensible real reasons that are rarely spoken.

What is it about the special American brand of self-worship that causes America always to start wars against people that are deemed guilty by association, unworthy, unexceptional or just plain unwilling to worship and submit themselves to be servants of our supposed moral and economic superiority?

Why is it deemed particularly wrong for some people to use their religion to rally their troops against our immoral actions? Why is the American self-worship never blamed for anything? Why is the other party's religion automatically to blame?

The real religion of America is a smug belief in the superiority of America over all others. Perhaps we could call it Americanism?

All the wars in the middle east are wrong. None of them should ever have happened. After Vietnam, you would think that the Americans had learned something. But no, they are just as convinced of their own moral superiority as ever, and they are more than willing to kill anyone that dares to disagree. After all, they are just subhuman people of an inferior religion.

When you think about it, what does this remind you of?

59   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 May 25, 7:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

if they must believe in a God

That premise isn't true. Man does not have to believe in a god. The Soviets proved that thoroughly.

The rise of atheism and agnosticism also demonstrates that belief in no god is necessary. The more atheists there are in a society, the more acceptable it becomes and the harder it is for any religion to get a foothold. Atheism is on the rise.

60   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 7:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Strategist says

should embrace

Actually, if they must have a religion, I would suggest for their consideration the religions of their ancestors who did better in the same places. Afghanistan was better off Buddhist, which is why the Muslim Taliban destroyed the ancient Buddhist sculptures: the Muslim Taliban could only destroy, and they hated seeing proof that their ancestors' Buddhist civilization knew how to build. The Persian ancestors of today's Iranians were better off Zorastrian, but Islam commands Muslims to kill Zorastrians, so there are none left anymore. I don't suggest launching another Crusade, as W said he was doing.

Yup, they are better off with the religion of their ancestors. The Zorastrians of Iran took refuge in India. Those who stayed behind got raped, converted to Islam, or slaughtered.
Afghanistan was Buddhist and Hindus. The Arab countries believed in different Gods.
Anything is better than this fucked up religion. The worst religion to ever hit mankind.

61   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 8:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

if they must believe in a God

That premise isn't true. Man does not have to believe in a god. The Soviets proved that thoroughly.

I couldn't agree more. You don't need God for the same reason you don't need Tooth Fairies or any fictional beings. It's for little children, not grown adults.
However many brainwashed grown adults NEED an invisible man in the sky who promises them eternal life. They are better off believing in a harmless God, as opposed to a dangerous God.

Dan8267 says

The rise of atheism and agnosticism also demonstrates that belief in no god is necessary. The more atheists there are in a society, the more acceptable it becomes and the harder it is for any religion to get a foothold. Atheism is on the rise.

Atheism correlates with education, intelligence, and good values. Most scientists are atheists. Most atheists are law abiding citizens. Atheists have higher morals, and most of all, Atheists are the ones who are responsible for the progress of mankind.
I am proud to be an atheist. I was about 13 when it dawned on me that i did not believe in God. I am law abiding, educated, happy, and the only prison I have ever been to was Alcatraz.

62   marcus   ignore (8)   2017 May 25, 8:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

1) marcus claims this comment is ad hominem:

curious2 says

That is always your answer.

curious2 says

Start listening to Patrick instead of insulting him. Returning to the OP, listen to Morrissey.

curious2 says

You quoted yourself instead of Patrick. Do you have a theory of mind, an ability to distinguish between your own ego and others outside it? Perhaps you should try reading more of what he actually said, instead of ignoring and insulting.

Yeah, this stuff does in fact exactly fit the definition of adhomenem. It's not addressing or even reflecting an attempt to comprehend anything I said. It's all about me.

What, the comment has to be 100% ad hominem and nothing else to count as ad hominem ?

The quote was of myself saying as previously what Patrick says. Imperfect, yes, I was working with a small time window. Anyway, you're living up to your asshole image curous2. I'm going to ease my way out of here. This place sucks.

Good plan though Patrick. Maybe making this a site for right wing assholes and idiots might make it easier to monetize one day.

I'm disappointed in you deeply today, by how quickly you took curious2s comments out of comment jail. You need to bring back the ignore feature. And not just for a month at a time. But have it your way. This site is going down hill, even if you did get rid of ironman. But yes, this is just my opinion. If it weren't for a few of the decent people around here, I would be long gone.

I like a lot of aspects of it. I'm sure even if I comment less, I'll still be checking in to follow what's going on with a few people. I need to become a Redditor or go somewhere with a little more consistency and a little more of some other things, that I won't label.

63   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 8:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

asshole...assholes and idiots...You need to...

Your comment above illustrates what I meant when I said you answer usually with hate. Especially when proven obviously wrong, you explode emotionally into baseless name-calling. Instead of using evidence and reason, you try to insult people and tell everyone else what they need to do. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you start pointing your finger at everyone else.

64   missing   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 8:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

marcus says

It's not addressing or even reflecting an attempt to comprehend anything

Here you are wrong, marcus. George is trying hard but damn *** brain...

65   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 8:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says

After all, they are just subhuman people

Straw man.

Who said that anyone was "subhuman"? Only you.

justme says

Why is it deemed particularly wrong for some people to use their religion to rally their troops against our immoral actions?

Because they are killing random innocent civilians all over the world in imitation of the founder of their religion. Not anything to do with us more often that not.

What exactly did the Swedes do that justifies that truck attack, for example?

If you're listening, listen: I have no love for Bush or his personal war and wish the guy and all his cabal were in jail at the very least.

Yes, America has a problem with its elite (not the common people!) using force to benefit their own interests.

This is very different from common people deliberately murdering large numbers of random other people who are not of their religion.

When was the last time an American took it upon himself to personally take revenge for 9/11 against random Arabs?

66   missing   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 8:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

calling me names

I did not call you names. I named you.

67   marcus   ignore (8)   2017 May 25, 9:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Your comment above illustrates what I meant when I said you answer usually with hate. Especially when proven obviously wrong, you explode emotionally into baseless name-calling. Instead of using evidence and reason, you try to insult people and tell everyone else what they need to do. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you start pointing your finger at everyone else.

" you answer usually with hate"

THat's funny coming from you.

No, I don't hate assholes and idiots, but I know them when I see them.

curious2 says

Actually, when you collapse into calling me names because you cannot respond with evidence and reason

But it's amazing that you want to say I resort to name calling. I dare you to look at the first argument you made with me in recent weeks. Could you argue with my point without going in to how much you hate me ? Truly. You know. You won't check it, because you know what you would find. On some level you know you're a dysfunctional and childish asshole.

68   justme   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 9:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah, Patrick, I do not mean to claim that YOU deem muslims to be sub-human people. There are however a not insignificant fraction of Americans that do. Including many that call them sandniggers and goatfuckers. Most would not outright use the phrase subhuman, of course, but what is the difference?

That being said, is it always true that the common people are innocent when their rulers kill lots of other people? In some cases they elected those rulers and did not speak up against the killing, for various reasons.

I hate killing, whether it is a random farmer in Afghanistan or a random person in the West.

I know you have no love for Bush, Patrick. I know you wish war did not happen. I am saying that it is not surprising that some people are filled with hate and want to kill, and that our wars and unrestrained self-worship are a BIG part of the problem. In my view, one cannot claim that Islam being a flawed religion is what is causing this.

69   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 9:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

But it's amazing that you want to say I resort to name calling. I dare you to look at the first argument you made with me in recent weeks. Could you argue with my point without going in to how much you hate me ?

Marcus, I don't hate you, nor even call you names. In that comment, I pointed out why you were wrong, and criticized your endless name-calling. You do usually comment emotionally, mainly with hate and trolling, including name-calling and profanity, as above. Anyway this thread isn't about either of us. Please try to post comments relevant to the topic of the thread, rather than asking other people questions about your own butt-hurt feelings.

70   marcus   ignore (8)   2017 May 25, 9:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

I pointed out why you were wrong, and criticized your endless name-calling.

It's the first time you had argued with me in a while (God knows you should be on ignore if only the ignore feature still existed). Because unlike you, that's what I do if I don't like or respect another person on the forum. You're such a liar. 99% of the time I have used the term dimbulb, it's in generic reference to the half of the right wing that truly are dimbulbs. It's understood where I'm coming from on that.

curious2 says

nor even call you names. In that comment

Fucking liar.

If you weren't such a liar, you would admit that the only time I resort to calling individuals names is when it's in response to a troll or name calling towards me, in your case a troll that was obsessed with me for a while, following me around trying to get in fights with me, becasue that time I embarrassed you many years ago.

Yes you do hate me. You're a small hateful pathetic childish person, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would fuck off and leave me alone.

71   marcus   ignore (8)   2017 May 25, 9:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

PATRICK BRING BACK IGNORE - and not just for a month at a time !!

72   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 May 25, 9:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Our founders were moral Christian men, and our laws and everything is based on those underlying principles.

The founding fathers based the governement on the Age of Enlightenment, not the Iron Age during which Christ allegedly lived. Here are their very words.

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

- John Adams

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...."

- Thomas Jefferson

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

- U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, 179...

You are picking and choosing alternative facts Dan. Because they all refer to founding fathers saying they don't want to establish any national religion. But the principles, the founding principles are very much Christian. They were very progressive for it's time, because Christian principles are ahead of the times even today because of the love it preaches.

If world followed it, you'd have no wars, you'd have no poverty. We'd have a paradise on earth.

Here is proof:
https://christianheritagefellowship.com/christian-quotes-founding-fathers/
http://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/did-america-have-christian-founding

73   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2017 May 25, 9:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

PATRICK BRING BACK IGNORE - and not just for a month !! at a time

I must admit I do miss that feature. Adhominem doesn't really seem to fit the role.

74   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 9:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says

Ah, Patrick, I did not mean to claim that YOU deem muslims to be sub-human people. There are however a not insignificant fraction of Americans that do. Including many that call them sandniggers and goatfuckers. Most would not outright use the phrase subhuman, of course, but what is the difference?

Islam is a violent and horrible religion not fit for modern humans. It's only natural that followers of this religion also be deemed as violent and horrible.

75   missing   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 9:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

It's only natural that followers of this religion also be deemed as violent and horrible.

some followers? all followers? majority of followers?

76   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 May 25, 9:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says

Strategist says

It's only natural that followers of this religion also be deemed as violent and horrible.

some followers? all followers? majority of followers?

Enough followers to make Islam a threat to the world, some of whom actively terrorize, and many who support them.

77   curious2   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 9:47pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

liar...dimbulbs....Fucking liar....liar...troll...obsessed with me...following me around...small hateful pathetic childish....
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PATRICK BRING BACK IGNORE - and not just for a month at a time !!

Triggered. At least you don't believe what Islam says, or you might have detonated. You remind me of the Santa Barbara Muslim couple, who accelerated their murderous and self-destructive rampage reportedly because somebody said something about the guy's beard. They had been planning an even bigger attack, with bombs, but couldn't restrain themselves.

I do see that you can't stand being proven wrong, and the cognitive dissonance hurts you so much that you explode emotionally and demand someone else save you from yourself. I hope you can see how you have illustrated the problem with importing people who believe what Islam says. When they explode, they take others with them, because the phony promise of eternal paradise with 72 whores and a kingdom from Syria to Yemen seems so much better than having to reason based on evidence.

As for what you can do to stop Islamic terrorism, you've demonstrated part of the answer. People who believe what Islam says should not be imported into western countries, where they risk exposure to facts that might hurt their feelings. You've shown that some people can't handle that experience, and explode in whatever way seems ready to hand: lying and name-calling and profanity for you, and lethal weapons for Muslims. People who believe what Islam says should be encouraged to go to Mecca, and prohibited from returning.

78   missing   ignore (1)   2017 May 25, 9:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

FP says

Strategist says

It's only natural that followers of this religion also be deemed as violent and horrible.

some followers? all followers? majority of followers?

Enough followers

you did not give me a straight answer

79   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 10:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Isn't most of that attributed to the fact that Germany is much smaller geographically whose major cities were built along existing rail lines and people aren't driving 1 hour commutes to their jobs?

Good point. Would be nice to see jobs created (even if deficit raised) to greatly improve infrastructure.

80   MMR   ignore (0)   2017 May 25, 10:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says

In my view, one cannot claim that Islam being a flawed religion is what is causing this.

What's new to you is old to others; Islam coupled with ghettoization and lack of education makes people willing protestors. This is true in India but many of the recent terrorists have money and education, so what are some other possibilities?

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