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APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Has anyone mapped the Wahhabi schools funded by the Saud dynasty?

I have not seen such a map, but it would be interesting.

Some good background:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html
http://www.meforum.org/535/saudi-arabia-and-the-rise-of-the-wahhabi-threat
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/saudi-connection-wahhabism-and-global-jihad

Patrick says

Saudi Arabia is the source of terrorism in the world, mostly by billions in funding for radical Koranic schools for children, teaching them to hate all non-Muslims, but also by direct funding for Islamic "charities" which buy weapons and train terrorists.

There was never even a single attack in the West funded or inspired by Iran as far as I know. Not that the Iranians are saints, but they are not deliberately murdering random people all over the world. All terrorist attacks in the west are by Sunni groups inspired by Saudi Wahhabi teachers.

It is a shame that this basic truth is not allowed to be spoken in our media.

The Sunni Arabs control most of the oil reserves in the region.
The Sunni Arabs are easier to control rather than the Iranian Shiites.
The Sunni Arabs are not developing nukes, like the Iranian Shiites.
These could be the reasons why we favor the Saudis.

I agree, the nukes are disturbing and I don't trust the Iranians not to use them.

But it seems hypocritical to favor the Saudis and complain about terrorism at the same time.

Patrick says

There was never even a single attack in the West funded or inspired by Iran as far as I know. Not that the Iranians are saints, but they are not deliberately murdering random people all over the world.

Here's your politically incorrect answer ... Iranians, on the whole, descended from the Persian Empire, which was originally Zoroastrian, not Muslim. I have no idea why '300' portrayed them as Sudanese marauders, aside from the film attempting to depict a racial divide with the Greeks, when there wasn't one.

Islam was imposed upon the ppls, who'd spoken some dialect of Farsi, during the Islamic invasion of Iran and Central Asia during medieval times.

So when Shia replaced the Sunni religion on the Iranian plateau, it was in effect, making the statement that Iranians were not Arabic ppl. Since it's very difficult for the newer Persians to go back to Zoroastrianism w/o starting a major cultural war, they had stuck with the Islamic divide, as a way of re-establishing their olde Empire.

And olde Persia, despite being militaristic like Rome, were not savages and fought like any other modern-like nation-state with standing armies, at least for the ancient world. Arabs were always considered to be the barbarians of the desert, even back in those times. I guess the Islamic invasion was their way of telling the Greeks and the Persians to go fuck themselves.

Strategist says

These could be the reasons why we favor the Saudis.

I think the real reason is the Saudi tradition of baksheesh, using Petrodollars to buy influence.

If the USA and Russia decided to take the oil, neither the Sunnis nor the Shia would control anything anymore. Candidate Trump said repeatedly during the campaign that we should "take the oil." MSM headlines went bonkers calling that "madness," using words to deny the obvious. I had hoped the Trump campaign's conversations with Russians would involve that topic, specifically how to take the oil and divide it among western powers instead of continuing to empower terrorists.

The Saudi-dependent patronage networks seem in a panic to protect the established gravy train that depends on the Saudi paymasters continuing to collect Petrodollars. Candidate Trump was called "an unwitting agent of a foreign power" (Russia), but I suspect that's rather backwards: the anti-Trumpers are acting as agents of a foreign power (Saudi Arabia) whether unwitting, witting, or witless. It's interesting, even on PatNet, to see people accuse others of being what they, themselves, are. The accusations are usually false, but betray almost subconsciously a confession. Who benefits from banning American drilling and fracking, and continuing to spread Islam, and preventing President Trump from disrupting the status quo? KSA. Since taking over Mecca and Medina a century ago, they have gone from strength to strength. If the present trend continues another century, the "American century" might give way to American bankruptcy, and the world would eventually collapse into an Islamic caliphate controlled in Riyadh.

curious2 says

Islamic caliphate controlled in Riyadh.

And in this case, the United States of America would in fact be the Persian Empire of yesteryear, the most multi-ethnic and powerful empire of the (then ancient / now modern) world, replaced by a backward theocracy.

Remember, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism (on the borders w/ India) were tolerated in Persia. The Library of Alexandria and Plato's Academy were also in Persia prior to the Islamic invasion.

Patrick says

There was never even a single attack in the West funded or inspired by Iran as far as I know.

Iran uses Hezbollah as their proxy. Not including taking our embassy hostage - here is a partial list.

- The 1982-1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
- The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1983.
- The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing of the U.S. Marine and French 'Drakkar' barracks which killed 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers. On May 30, 2003, a U.S. federal judge ruled that Hezbollah carried out the attack at the direction of the Iranian government.[23]
- The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.[24]
- The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24 people.[25]
- The hijacking of TWA flight 847 holding the 39 Americans on board hostage for weeks in 1985 and murder of one U.S. Navy sailor
- The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.[26]
- According to Middle East analyst James Philips, an August 1989 bombing in London was a failed Hezbollah assassination attempt on Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie, after the Iranian government put a $2.5 million bounty on his head over the novel The Satanic Verses.[27][28] Iranian officials have repeatedly called for Rushdie's death as recently as 2005.[29]
- The bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina killing twenty-nine people in 1992. Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.[30]
- The bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina killing 85 people in 1994. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[31] Argentine justice accused Iran of being behind the attacks because of Buenos Aires' decision to suspend a nuclear material delivery and technology transfer.[32]
- The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21 people, in Panama. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[33]
- The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen. On December 22, 2006, federal judge Royce C. Lamberth ruled that Iran was responsible for the attack, stating "The totality of the evidence at trial...firmly establishes that the Khobar Towers bombing was planned, funded, and sponsored by senior leadership in the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The defendants' conduct in facilitating, financing, and providing material support to bring about this attack was intentional, extreme, and outrageous."[34]
- The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria.[35] Hezbollah is believed to have carried out that attack on its own accord, without any Iranian involvement or foreknowledge.[36]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

Iran also is supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/313100-how-iran-aides-the-afghan-taliban-under-americas-nose

Radical Shia's also have a crazy end-times dogma where they believe it is Man's duty to bring about the apocalypse to usher in the return of their Messiah (The Hidden Imam). Whereas, most other religions believe that Man has no control over the end times or the return of God. I think you can see how uniquely dangerous that kind of thinking is..........especially for a country that wants nukes.

Note that the majority of those attacks were on military targets, not random civilians.

Not that that's a good thing, but at least the Shiites are not as disgustingly dishonorable as the Sunnis are in their consistent attacks on unarmed innocent people.

My point is that Saudi Arabia is the bigger problem by far.

So are we abolishing Islam in Iran?

rando says

My point is that Saudi Arabia is the bigger problem by far.

But I don't think the crazy Sunnis believe they can (or should) bring about the end of the world like the crazy Shia's do.

I hate the Saudi duplicity as much as anyone. But I think there is a difference in having rich Saudis funding jihad on the side as opposed to the formal government of Iran doing the same through Hezbollah, Taliban and Shiite militias in Iraq.

Here is some more of Iran's handy work.

"On Monday morning, May 7, 1984, the United States embassy in Athens received a video posted in the city… It showed William Buckley undergoing torture… The camera zoomed in and out of Buckley’s nude and damaged body. He held before his genitalia a document marked “MOST SECRET”… Casey later remembered how “… They had done more than ruin his body. His eyes made it clear his mind had been played with. It was horrific, medieval and barbarous”… Buckley showed symptoms of being drugged; his eyes were dull and his lips slack. His gaze was of a person deprived of daylight for some time… Buckley had spent long periods being hooded. Buckley bore chafe marks on his wrists and neck suggesting he had been tethered with a rope or chain. A careful study of every inch of visible skin revealed puncture marks indicating he had been injected at various points.
The second video arrived 23 days later. This time it was posted to the United States Embassy on Via Veneto in Rome… It revealed Buckley continued to be horrifically treated… Buckley’s voice was slurred and his manner noticeably more egocentric as if not only the world beyond the camera, but his immediate surroundings, held increasingly less interest for him… His hands shook and his legs beat a tattoo on the floor as he mumbled pathetic pleas to be exchanged under a guarantee the United States would remove “all of its influences” from Lebanon and would persuade Israel to do the same…
On Friday, October 26, 1984, 224 days since Buckley was kidnapped, a third video arrived at the CIA. The tape was even more harrowing. Buckley was close to a gibbering wretch. His words were often incoherent; he slobbered and drooled and, most unnerving of all, he would suddenly scream in terror, his eyes rolling helplessly and his body shaking. From time to time he held up documents, which had been in his burn-bag, to the camera. Then he delivered a pathetic defence of his captor’s right to self-determination in Lebanon… William Buckley’s kidnapping was into its second year by the spring of 1985. The CIA consensus was that he would be blindfolded and chained at the ankles and wrists and kept in a cell little bigger than a coffin."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/2h6c6c/disturbing_account_of_cia_station_chief_buckleys/

The capture, torture, and murder of a CIA officer is still not as bad as the deliberate murder of a bunch of entirely innocent teen girls at a concert.

Shiite Islam is insane. Sunni Islam is bug-eyed frothing-at-the-mouth rabidly insane.

Iran funds hezbollah, committed terror attacks in argentina, and pretty much foments most shia violence outside its borders. They are far from blameless and are rightly considered a terrorist state.

Yes, so how would you feel if our president sold Iran $350 billion of arms?

It's like that. Only worse.

rando says

Yes, so how would you feel if our president sold Iran $350 billion of arms?

It's like that. Only worse.

Al Qaeda and ISIS want to overthrow the corrupt and fat Saudi monarchy because they are seen as not being Islamic enough and are allied with the West.

Whereas, the Shia crazies are already in total control of Iran's government.........hence all the official "Death to America" protests and Holocaust denial conferences officially sanctioned by the government. You don't see that many Ayatollahs and Mullah's kicking it in London in fancy sports cars and big yachts.

rando says

Shiite Islam is insane. Sunni Islam is bug-eyed frothing-at-the-mouth rabidly insane.

They are both about equally insane, but the Shia add up to fewer than 20% of all Muslims, and are more vulnerable for that reason among others. If the Shia had 80% and America doing their bidding, then they would be doing what the Saudis are doing, and the Saudis would be intimidated and inhibited. Islam means literally submission. It is a religion based on fear. The Shia, being a minority, are more afraid. The Sunnis, being the majority, are more lethal mainly because they are more numerous and thus have more power to compel submission, i.e. Islam, including by terrorism and other violence.

Here you can see a proud Shia dad holding up a bloody example for his son:

I know a half-Iranian half-Irish woman who pointed out one year when Canada Day fell on Ashura (where you whack yourself in the head with a knife until you draw blood, the more the better).

OK, the Shiites are also pretty freaking insane. The contrast to Canada Day could not possibly be greater.

curious2 says

Here you can see a proud Shia dad holding up a bloody example for his son:

Pure child abuse.
Make children cut themselves with daggers.
Rape 9 year old girls.
Send children for a suicide bombing.
Violence violence violence from day one.

$350 billion over 10 years to Saudi Arabia.
Your deal maker god making deals with those that attacked America on 9/11.
Republicans are such True Patriots.
How many Corporations are people trade with S.A.?
Do you burn S.A. oil?
Idiots need to face their hypocritical retardism.
Look into a mirror to see evil.

HEY YOU says

Look into a mirror to see evil.

How is extracting $350 billion from a terrorist state a bad thing? I wish Trump extracted even more.

Strategist says

How is extracting $350 billion from a terrorist state a bad thing?

It depends whether we deliver the weapons, and where they go from there. If KSA continues arming Sunni militias across the mideast, then that would be a bad thing because they would continue murdering disbelievers, Christians, blasphemers, heretics, and anyone else they can think of. Most likely, KSA will continue the war in Yemen, where it's mostly Muslims killing other Muslims, but the most fanatically Muslim tend to be killing anyone less fanatical than they are. The same sort of thing happens among Muslims in Pakistan and Kashmir. Weapons are a form of power, like money, and KSA has too much power already.

Patrick says

Saudi Arabia is the source of terrorism in the world

Saudi Arabia is the Mecca of terrorism.

curious2 says

Brainwashing children is a staple of all religions. It's the most prevalent and dangerous form of child abuse.

curious2 says

Strategist says

How is extracting $350 billion from a terrorist state a bad thing?

It depends whether we deliver the weapons, and where they go from there. If KSA continues arming Sunni militias across the mideast, then that would be a bad thing because they would continue murdering disbelievers, Christians, blasphemers, heretics, and anyone else they can think of. Most likely, KSA will continue the war in Yemen, where it's mostly Muslims killing other Muslims, but the most fanatically Muslim tend to be killing anyone less fanatical than they are. The same sort of thing happens among Muslims in Pakistan and Kashmir. Weapons are a form of power, like money, and KSA has too much power already.

I have no problems with Muslims killing each other. I would rather they kill each other than kill us infidels.
As for the sophisticated weapons we are selling them, i am pretty sure we have control over their use. There is no way any US administration, especially the Trump administration will ever trust these barbarians. Keep in mind, the Saudis are not the the brightest bulbs on the planet. I doubt if they could even screw together a chair purchased from Ikea.

Strategist says

Saudis are not the the brightest bulbs on the planet. I doubt if they could even screw together a chair purchased from Ikea.

You're right the Saudis are not the brightest bulbs on the planet, but they're smart enough to have corrupted American media and politicians to such an extent that in almost every election 90% of voters choose candidates who call the Saudis "allies". 30% of Americans have a positive view of KSA and half of Americans continue to welcome (even insist on) Hijrah. Prince Bandar can fly a fighter jet, and if he bothered buying furniture from Ikea his many servants would assemble it for him. Saudis dance many Americans like marionettes on strings, and pay with a tiny fraction of the money that westerners insist on paying Saudi Arabia for oil that the Saudis took from the Shia.

curious2 says

oil that the Saudis took from the Shia

That's a good way to put it.

Most Saudi oil is under Shiite land.