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Autism link found with heavy metals

By Quigley following x   2017 Jun 2, 9:07am 2,425 views   28 comments   watch   quote     share  


A National Institute of Health study using naturally shed baby teeth to analyze the exposure of children to heavy metals has found a definite link between autism and heavy metal exposure. Also significant were deficiencies of trace minerals like zinc and manganese in autistic kids.
This is one of the first legitimate studies that's shown a possibly causal link between autism and an environmental factor. It doesn't get much more legit than the NIH!

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/baby-teeth-link-autism-heavy-metals-nih-study-suggests

1 NuttBoxer   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 9:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So wait, mercury isn't good for us? No metal fillings? No mercury laced vaccines? No Flint tapwater!?

2 Tenpoundbass   ignore (7)   2017 Jun 2, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Why is every shocked when we find star dust in our body?

3 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 10:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Burning coal is great. Lots of mercury in there. Gets spread out nicely.

4 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

After decades of autism statistics going through the roof, they finally decided to look into one of the most common brain poison.

5 Tenpoundbass   ignore (7)   2017 Jun 2, 10:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says

Burning coal is great. Lots of mercury in there. Gets spread out nicely.

I'm sure there's no heavy metals in the Jet contrails either.
We can't have paint that actually protects metal and wood objects, because some Idiot might let their kids suck and lick on the object.
We took it out of gas which was good, but still Lead naturally occurs in the Earth's crust. Then gets released into soil, air and water through soil erosion, sand storms, volcanic eruptions, sea spray and bush fires.
The natural concentration of lead in the air is less than 0.1 microgram per cubic metre.
But over your lifetime you'll breathe in millions of cubic metres of air in your lifetime. But will never once lick a lead painted object, unless you have stupid parents.

6 Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 11:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Don't play Metallica to your in utero child!

7 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 11:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

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8 epitaph   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

what vaccines have the most heavy metal in them?

9 curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 12:02pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The linked article is a press release. If you look at the published study, you can see a really noticeable correlation with lead exposure vs weaker or even paradoxical associations for manganese and zinc.

In contrast, the correlation with SSRIs is very strong: "Boys with autism were three times more likely to have been exposed to antidepressants known as SSRIs in the womb than typically developing children...."

Straw Man says

mercury

The study does NOT mention mercury. There was never any truth to the anti-vaxx mercury fraud.

10 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 12:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

The study does NOT mention mercury.

I was going by title, of course (who reads the fucking studies anyway). And mercury is a heavy metal. So there.

11 Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 12:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

My childs doctor recommended metal free vaccinnes, which cost a little bit more (she used these on her children).

So perhaps researchers who show even low lifetime Hg still were toxic are correct by this NIH and other articles?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24354891

12 curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 12:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Straw Man says

who reads

I do, and I linked it. Zinc is a heavy metal, and it is an essential nutrient. If you were to eliminate exposure to heavy metals, you would produce deficiencies in zinc (among others), causing a long list of problems. Reading is fundamental.

Entitlemented says

this NIH and other articles?

Thanks, I have to admit that's interesting. I searched more information about it, but at best it's an outlier. The original autism anti-vaxx fraud generated so much cash that it produced a cottage industry of phony experts. I hadn't seen that particular study though, so I'm glad you mentioned it.

By all means, pay extra for the premium vaccine if you wish, at least the kids are getting vaccinated. A pediatrician might favor it for any number of reasons: abundance of caution, the opportunity to reassure parents who are worried about vaccines, or simply extra payment. Whatever, the safety and efficacy of vaccines is one of the greatest contributions ever made to public health, and the only example of "preventive care" that can actually save money.

13 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 12:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

epitaph says

what vaccines have the most heavy metal in them?

The only heavy metal in vaccines was mercury-based preservative. It's been taken out from most of them 15 or so years ago. Some flu vaccines still have it.

14 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 12:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

Straw Man says

who reads

I do, and I linked it. Zinc is a heavy metal, and it is an essential nutrient. If you were to eliminate exposure to heavy metals, you would produce deficiencies in zinc (among others), causing a long list of problems. Reading is fundamental.

Good man!

15 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 1:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

@curious2 thanks for the ssri autism study link. That's even more damning than this lead correlation, and I haven't heard a dang thing about it! Meanwhile the old superstitions persist about vaccines..
ugh

16 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 2, 2:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says

@curious2 thanks for the ssri autism study link. That's even more damning than this lead correlation, and I haven't heard a dang thing about it! Meanwhile the old superstitions persist about vaccines..

ugh

I feel like s/he's been posting about it for years. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors are no bueno.

As an aside, I've long assumed Curious as a he, but I'm not certain, so I went with the a/o. Sign of the times...the creep of PC, when even an asshole like me has to take pause and wonder if assuming 'he' is offensive

17 curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 2:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors are no bueno.

I'm waiting to hear an SSRI-dependent SJW saying something like 'people have a right to change their pronouns back and forth, so just because you knew yesterday doesn't allow you to assume the same pronoun today, but people can't possibly change religions even in a free country, so don't you dare say anything bad about the aloha snackbar.'

18 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 2, 2:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I'm sure there's no heavy metals in the Jet contrails either.

Considering they are only condensed water vapor the amount of lead would be dependent on the amount of lead in suspension in the atmosphere.
Have you ever noticed contrails from the same jet appear and disappear sometimes as you watch it cross the sky. Ever wonder why some days there are contrails galore and other days none ?

Contrails are a great way to quickly determine how great the humidity level at 30-35,000 feet. Less humidity - less contrails.

Aviation fuel for commercial jet aircraft does not contain lead - for private planes with piston engines that is a different story but lead alternatives are also being phased out for those engines.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-20/news/ct-leaded-gas-planes-met-20140520_1_airborne-lead-avgas-lead-emissions

19 Rin   ignore (7)   2017 Jun 2, 3:06pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Then it's clear that I have autism, as I love heavy metal ...

20 MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 3:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

SSRI-dependent SJW saying something like 'people have a right to change their pronouns back and forth, s

Where is homeboy when you need him?

21 MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 2, 3:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Rin says

Then it's clear that I have autism, as I love heavy metal ...

Great album from 1986

22 NuttBoxer   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 5, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

epitaph says

what vaccines have the most heavy metal in them?

Why would vaccines ever need metal in the first place? What ever happened to just the weakened strain of the disease, and that's it? This was a good idea when it was first discovered.

23 Automan Empire   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 5, 12:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Tenpoundbass says

We took it out of gas which was good, but still Lead naturally occurs in the Earth's crust.

Ignorance so stunning it is probably lead-enhanced. Removal of lead from things like paint and toys is one of the biggest drivers of the reduction of crime rates over the last 40 years. Look at studies of wines of vintages before and after banning lead in gas. Look at the consequences of open lead smelting during the Roman era. EVERY square inch of earth is STILL contaminated badly enough that modern scientists can tell by the lead isotopes that much of the mining was done in the Rio Tinto area of modern Spain.

24 KimJongUn   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 5, 12:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

NuttBoxer says

Why would vaccines ever need metal in the first place?

Preservative. One of which happened to be mercury-based. But mercury was not in the study, so it's irrelevant.

25 BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 15, 5:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fever While Pregnant Increases Autism Chance By 40% In Newborns According to a recent study (link below), published Tuesday, expecting mothers, who come down with a fever during the pregnancy, especially in the later stages, have a higher risk of giving birth to a child who suffers from autism.

The study, which was conducted by Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, took into account 95,754 Norwegian children born between 1999 and 2009. Out of the total number, 15,700 children were born to mothers who had developed a fever during their pregnancy. And out of the pregnant women who had fever, 583 gave birth to autistic children.

The research, however, failed to conclude if there was any definite cause-and-effect relationship between fever during a pregnancy and autistic newborns. It was only able to establish that there is a definite association between the two.

However, Associate professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health in New York City, Mady Hornig, has contaradicted the finding of the study stating it is not a given that every woman who develops a fever during her pregnancy term will invariably give birth to an autistic child.

The study also showed women who took ibuprofen to treat their fevers ran a lower risk of giving birth to autistic children. However, John Snow Professor of Epidemiology and director of the Center for Infection and Immunity, W. Ian Lipkin, stated that the effect of the drug with regard to preventing autism, was inconclusive and hence, researchers need to look at better alternatives that prevent prenatal infections from contributing to autism in newborns.

It was seen that women who ran a temperature more than 99 degrees during the early stages of pregnancy have 36 percent more chances of giving birth to an autistic child while the risk is increased to 40 percent in women who had fever during the second trimester.

However, women who had multiple instances of fever after two and a half months of pregnancy ran a 300 percent increased chance of delivering a child with autism.

A number of factors have been established in the past that can increase the chances of someone being born with autism. Family history has been ruled as one of the major roots of autism.

"The primary known risk factor for autism is family history," says Rebecca Landa, PhD, director of the Kennedy Krieger Institute's Center for Autism and Related Disorders in Baltimore, Everyday Health reported. "Family history of an autism spectrum disorder can increase the risk for an autism diagnosis."

Other factors like older fathers, dangerously low birth weight, premature birth and unknown genetic mutations can also cause autism in newborns.

http://www.ibtimes.com/fever-while-pregnant-increases-autism-chance-40-newborns-2552574

Study Cited in Article: Prenatal fever and autism risk. http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2017119a.html

26 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Jun 15, 8:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I can't get the lead out of my ass. Am I autistic?

27 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 15, 8:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

HEY YOU says

I can't get the lead out of my ass. Am I autistic?

I'd say Asbergers at least! The way you post the same things over and over as if we hadn't tuned that crap out already puts you clearly in the spectrum.

28 curious2   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 15, 11:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"About 20 percent of baby food samples tested over a decade-long period had detectable levels of lead, according to a new report from Environmental Defense Fund, a nonprofit group.

The group evaluated data collected by the Food and Drug Administration from 2003 to 2013. This included 2,164 baby food samples. They found 89 percent of grape juice samples, 86 percent of sweet potatoes samples and 47 percent of teething biscuits samples contained detectable levels of lead.
***
None of the baby food samples seemed to exceed the Food and Drug Administration's allowable levels of lead. However, the FDA is in the process of reviewing its standards, and there's concern that current standards do not reflect the latest science about the potential health risks, especially for young children.

"I think the onus is really on FDA and industry to change their standards to reflect what we know, that there is no safe lead level," said pediatrician Jennifer Lowry. She chairs the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Environmental Health.
***
The CDC concluded that "even low levels of lead in blood have been shown to affect IQ, ability to pay attention, and academic achievement. And effects of lead exposure cannot be corrected."

Pediatricians recommend children eat lots of different kinds of fruits and vegetables. This can help minimize the risk from a single food. And as we've reported, diets high in iron, calcium and vitamin C can limit the absorption of lead.

Also, parents can limit the amount of fruit juice their children consume. The American Academy of Pediatrics recently recommended new limits on juice consumption. The pediatric group recommends that children under 1 year should not drink any juice."


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