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Now is as good a time as any, to demand a raise at work

By errc following x   2017 Jun 6, 8:38am 951 views   16 comments   watch   quote     share  

People often forget that there's two sides to every trade, and you're more likely to get a raise if you ask for one, rather than sitting around waiting.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/never-jobs-available-america-145038564.html

1 errc   2017 Jun 6, 8:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

have shown that labor continues to be a persistent concern for American businesses as good workers are in short supply. The Federal Reserve’s latest Beige Book report also indicated that across the country business contacts were having a hard time staffing up due to a lack of qualified workers.

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Know your worth and get paid for it.

2 someone else   2017 Jun 6, 9:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

In the tech industry you generally have to move to a different company to get a good increase in pay.

That's OK, plenty of jobs around.

3 Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 6, 9:29am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

Those businesses are having a hard time because they use staffing people, who make more money by telling the potential employer.
"You know every son of a bitch that walked through the door had a typo in his Resume, but don't worry we caught it, and refused them forthwith, we had them escorted off the premises and told them never darken our door stoop again! But we've got a solution we've got some cheap Indians, that we can pay $100K a year, while we bill you $200K it's a win win for us!"

I work in an industry that has several companies trying to do delta automation, None of them have implemented it as much as I have by my self.
Those other companies have programing teams of 5 people or more, still thee years later they are doing it manually rather than batched through XML delta automation.

Another company has very complex Rollershade API, they have xsd for each product, the main header info stays the same. The configs can have as many as one field or hundreds. Other companies write a complete class for each product. Me I created the configs node as a name pair value key structure, I query the database on that row then pivot the data, and present the data in my domain model as a datatable rather than a domain object.

As a result when we get a new xsd, we just drop it in the xsd folder and the product just works. Posting quotes and orders to the company all day long.

Another project 2 and a half years in the making. Still to this day every company either sticks with one or two products only in defined customized class for each, or they manually use the companies order portal RS configurator.

8 out of 10 job interviews I go on. I'm interviewed by a confused American hatting Liberal from HR, that didn't call me back for her/his own personal reason. Every time I talked to the head motherfucker in charge of development and didn't have to deal with the HR idiots(Who are trained to squawk for cheap Indian labor to replace those pesky American self sufficient people who are probably Conservative) those people always ask me if I can start now.

We will have 10X more qualified people if we get Human resources and Liberal Arts majors out of the tech hiring decisions. Those idiots are barely qualified to hire janitors.

BTW my HR guy here, is an awesome dude. Very likable and personable. Never is involved with the hiring process until you've been selected.
If I stay here longer than I would like to, it will be because of him, great guy.

4 errc   2017 Jun 6, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

An efficient labor force should be fungible, and well compensated. Workers should fear the atrophy that can often accompany staying at one job for too long, rather than fearing change and trying something new. But I get it, horrible government policy like preferential tax treatment for employers providing health insurance, limit the options for most in the workforce.

Combined with the perverse tax that education thrusts on new entrants into any field that requires some training, it's no wonder so many Americans are fat and miserable.

5 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Jun 6, 9:35am   ↑ like (6)   ↑ dislike (6)     quote        

Open carry is your friend in all negotiations.

6 FortWayne   2017 Jun 6, 9:35am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

You have to have a bargaining chip if you want a raise. First question from your boss will be "why should I".

7 Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 6, 10:00am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

The whole culture is bullshit. It makes no sense. Companies have HR departments, you would think since their education would suggest they know how to find people. Why in the fuck are they using Staffing agencies? Too much useless dead weight in our enterprise, that are there due to laws that demand it, that are more insidious than affirmative action.

8 someone else   2017 Jun 6, 10:12am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

FortWayne says

You have to have a bargaining chip if you want a raise. First question from your boss will be "why should I".

Exactly. The answer is, "Because I'm going to leave if you don't."

9 errc   2017 Jun 6, 10:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Patrick says

FortWayne says

You have to have a bargaining chip if you want a raise. First question from your boss will be "why should I".

Exactly. The answer is, "Because I'm going to leave if you don't."

Yup, good help is hard to find, and good employees know it. You have to mean it though. Definitely don't want to be called on a bluff.

You don't always have to go for higher pay. Last time I went for a raise, I suggested compressing my schedule in lieu of a raise.

Now that I'm only available to my employer from noon on Monday thru noon on Thursday, I don't know what to do. I wouldn't take twice the money to go back to working a full week. The time is far more valuable than the extra money

10 someone else   2017 Jun 6, 10:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

errc says

The time is far more valuable than the extra money

This is true.

11 FortWayne   2017 Jun 6, 10:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

If you have an offer from another place you should be good, great negotiating chip, just be prepared if your employer says goodbye.

I know I'm giving you obvious advice, best I can.

errc says

Patrick says

FortWayne says

You have to have a bargaining chip if you want a raise. First question from your boss will be "why should I".

Exactly. The answer is, "Because I'm going to leave if you don't."

Yup, good help is hard to find, and good employees know it. You have to mean it though. Definitely don't want to be called on a bluff.

You don't always have to go for higher pay. Last time I went for a raise, I suggested compressing my schedule in lieu of a raise.

Now that I'm only available to my employer from noon on Monday thru noon on Thursday, I don't know what to do. I wouldn't take twice the money to go back to working a full week. The time is far more valuable than the extra money

12 joshuatrio   2017 Jun 6, 1:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Agree. I was able to score a better schedule, another week of vacation and 10k more from my current employer, by getting another job offer.

13 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   2017 Jun 6, 2:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Just ask the supervisor to have a smoke with you in the parking lot and have a friend come out with a huge ham and throw it high into the air where you'll reduce it to flying ribbons of meat and fat with your trusty M134.

14 BayArea   2017 Jun 6, 8:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

For most people, the most effective way to get a raise is to switch jobs.

Rarely do employees receive substantial raises by staying at their company or by way of promotion within the same company.

15 BrownIncome   2017 Jun 7, 3:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

BayArea says

Rarely do employees receive substantial raises by staying at their company or by way of promotion within the same company.

Only in the worst companys, that can play this game by being not transparent about salaries

16 BrownIncome   2017 Jun 7, 3:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Tenpoundbass says

8 out of 10 job interviews I go on. I'm interviewed by a confused American hatting Liberal from HR, that didn't call me back for her/his own personal reason.

If you have enough offers, lucky you.
Quality of the people making the interviews will help you decide which environment you prefer

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