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How is Loretta Lynch not in jail for Obstruction of Justice?

By Goran_K following x   2017 Jun 8, 9:42am 5,016 views   122 comments   watch   quote     share  


From Comey:

"At one point, the Attorney General [Lynch] told me not to call it and investigation but instead to call it a 'matter,' which confused and concerned me," the former FBI director told the committee Thursday. "But that was one of the bricks in the load that led me to conclude I have to step away from the [Justice] Department if we're to close this case credibly."

Are you fucking kidding me? Private tarmac meeting with the husband of a women who is under active FBI investigation, and the AG is pressuring the FBI director to not call it an investigation?

This is one of the most slam dunk cases of obstruction of justice I have ever seen in my life time. Lynch, and BOTH Clinton's should be facing a federal trial.

I'm not some hardcore right winger, I'm actually slightly left leaning on most topics. But this incredible corruption during the Obama administration needs some consequences.

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83 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 8, 6:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Just remember that suggesting a word change is obstruction. Demanding loyalty before firing and then threatening with "tapes" is not obstruction.

Don't be confused.

84 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 8, 8:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

Goran_K says

The Democrats effectively "rigged the election" by calling white people the devil for 8 years.

Is your name gehran O King? I have connection on LinkedIn by that name.

Wharton Business?

85 just any guy   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 8, 8:15pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Just remember that suggesting a word change is obstruction. Demanding loyalty before firing and then threatening with "tapes" is not obstruction.

Don't be confused.

Use the right words because it matters. Per Comey, Trump said "I need loyalty. I expect loyalty." Why shouldn't he expect loyalty if he's the POTUS who isn't under investigation of anything and has been told that by Comey himself even though the media is crucifying Trump? Why shouldn't every federal employee be loyal to the POTUS? That's like saying that every US citizen should be loyal to our country. Well of course...what does the pledge of ALLEGIANCE even mean?

We've already talked about how threatening with "tapes" doesn't make sense. Tapes would prove the truth, as evidence. Saying you're going to provide evidence of something isn't a threat unless it's to disprove a lie or untruth, which would be Comey's lie or untruth in this case, so why not expose it?

86 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 8:25am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

just any guy says

Use the right words because it matters. Per Comey, Trump said "I need loyalty. I expect loyalty." Why shouldn't he expect loyalty if he's the POTUS who isn't under investigation of anything and has been told that by Comey himself even though the media is crucifying Trump? Why shouldn't every federal employee be loyal to the POTUS? That's like saying that every US citizen should be loyal to our country. Well of course...what does the pledge of ALLEGIANCE even mean?

We've already talked about how threatening with "tapes" doesn't make sense. Tapes would prove the truth, as evidence. Saying you're going to provide evidence of something isn't a threat unless it's to disprove a lie or untruth, which would be Comey's lie or untruth in this case, so why not expose it?

That's just way too logical. The only real theory is that Comey was talking about grabbing pussy on tape, and Trump was going to nail him on it.

87 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 8:33am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

just any guy says

We've already talked about how threatening with "tapes" doesn't make sense. Tapes would prove the truth, as evidence. Saying you're going to provide evidence of something isn't a threat unless it's to disprove a lie or untruth, which would be Comey's lie or untruth in this case, so why not expose it?

Dude! You've got to be careful when you destroy one of iwog's pet arguments! He's sensitive about those!

88 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 8:36am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says

The Democrats effectively "rigged the election" by calling white people the devil for 8 years

Exactly! They cleverly rigged it against themselves by being the most amazing douchebags imaginable!

89 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

The President can stop any investigation, he has that power. "Comey, I command you to stop investigating Flynn."He didn't stop the investigation into Flynn.

90 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says

Being an influential former POTUS meeting with the AG of the United States while your wife is under FBI investigation is not.

That's it right there. You've got the boss of the man leading the Investigation, meeting with the subject's husband and a former POTUS himself, just before the investigation wraps up. Fishier than Fulton Street on a hot day.

91 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

just any guy says

We've already talked about how threatening with "tapes" doesn't make sense. Tapes would prove the truth, as evidence. Saying you're going to provide evidence of something isn't a threat unless it's to disprove a lie or untruth, which would be Comey's lie or untruth in this case, so why not expose it?

Yup we've talked about it and I decimated you with it.

A "tape" of a man cheating on his wife proves the truth and is often used as evidence. It's also quite frequently the way blackmail is committed. Lets assume Comey said something embarrassing or possibly even illegal on those "tapes" which formed the basis of Donald Trump's threat. How the fuck do you think this can be reconciled with the opinion that "threatening with tapes doesn't make sense."

It makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't in total denial and I've explained this to you before. However you will still continue to wheel out this corrupt and busted argument because reasons.

92 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Quigley says

Goran_K says

The Democrats effectively "rigged the election" by calling white people the devil for 8 years

Exactly! They cleverly rigged it against themselves by being the most amazing douchebags imaginable!

I love the use of the word "They" here. Literally not one single Democrat in government called white people the devil or even implied it. However you're going to attribute the actions of a few radicals, many like Antifa who openly hate Democrats, and anoint an entire party with it.

I'll point out again that many Trump supporters simply have no grasp of the real world. I guess it's all a cartoon universe?

93 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says

Wharton Business?

Me? No I went to Washington and Lee. Gehran went to UTSA

94 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

I love the use of the word "They" here. Literally not one single Democrat in government called white people the devil or even implied it. However you're going to attribute the actions of a few radicals, many like Antifa who openly hate Democrats, and anoint an entire party with it.

I'll point out again that many Trump supporters simply have no grasp of the real world. I guess it's all a cartoon universe?

Maybe you're right.

You still need to convince working class whites who overwhelmingly voted GOP during the election that the racist haven't taken over the Democrat party.

Maybe you can try to convince them that "white privilege" wasn't an invention of Democrats, except all the Democrat MSM favorites like CNN/MSNBC/ABC/etc keep giving massive amounts of air time to guys like racist Van Jones.So good luck.

95 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Literally not one single Democrat in government called white people the devil or even implied it.

1) Iwog doesn't understand hyperbole

2)Apparently Iwog also doesn't pay attention to the democrats who support BLM, the Dems who support antifa especially but not limited to when they physically assault others, the DNC chair debates, CNN almost daily, etc..

Iwog can however pick out the word devil and correctly point out that this is literally not what was said. Good job pedantic nazi!

96 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

Me? No I went to Washington and Lee. Gehran went to UTSA

Ah, wrong guy then.

Doesn't mean we can't be friends. :)

97 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

1) Iwog doesn't understand hyperbole

Well I'll skip over the common claim that hyperbole destroys an argument and jump right to the meaning of what was written.

If there aren't any Democrats in the government actively demonizing white people, what's the point then?? Can you state it?

98 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

2)Apparently Iwog also doesn't pay attention to the democrats who support BLM

LOL......RIGHT!!!!!!!!! I've NEVER written about the misguided support for BLM. Ya got me there skippy!!!!!

I've probably created more threads attacking BLM and those who support them than any other board member.

Try and convey something when you write sentences. It's a useful skill.

99 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:31pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

1) Iwog doesn't understand hyperbole

2)Apparently Iwog also doesn't pay attention to the democrats who support BLM, the Dems who support antifa especially but not limited to when they physically assault others, the DNC chair debates, CNN almost daily, etc..

Iwog can however pick out the word devil and correctly point out that this is literally not what was said. Good job pedantic nazi!

Iwog can make up all the fantasy he wants, working class whites changed their voting patterns en masse and helped flip Democrat strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. He has to convince them that the Democrat party doesn't hate white people, not us.

100 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:38pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

If there aren't any Democrats in the government actively demonizing white people, what's the point then?? Can you state it?

Are you fucking kidding?

From the pen of Democrat US congressman Keith Ellison:

“Since no one but the WASP elite really appreciates affirmative action, I have a challenge for all fair-minded middle- and working-class white people: I will urge black people to abandon white-dominated, integration-oriented, give-away programs, if you urge white people to justly compensate black people for 250 years of slavery, 90 years of Jim Crow and 25 years of neo-Jim Crow. The settlement could be a straight cash transfer for all the black exploitation. This means just compensation for all the labor hours put in by the slaves and just compensation for all the intellectual and artistic property ripped off by all the Elvis Presleys and Pat Boones. It means compensation for all the money ripped off through sharecropping and just compensation owing to all the black athletes of yesterday, such as Jack Jefferson and Joe Louis. It means back payment of the ‘black tax,’ which is the price hike that ghetto merchants and pawnbrokers charge black consumers.”

“Finally, blacks would have the option of choosing their own land base or remaining in the United States. Since black people toiled most diligently in the southeastern section of the United States, this land, quite naturally, would be most suitable. That means Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi. Blacks, of course, would not be compelled to move to the black state, and, of course, peaceful whites would not be compelled to move away. This is a bargain. Whites would be relieved of the burdens of the black-faced but white-dominated social programs. Blacks would employ themselves, teach their own children the truth and control their own neighborhoods. Black-white interaction would be voluntary instead of compelled. No more busing, no more affirmative action and, best of all, no more white guilt. White people could righteously say they have ‘settled their debts with blacks. Urban blacks, long alienated from society by poverty, forced segregation and media-vilification, would no longer strike fear in whites. Think of it, whites could reclaim their cities — without dispossessing anyone.

This man was being considered as a candidate to head the DNC for fucks sake, after Wasserman Schultz was tossed out.

101 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 3:55pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

I've NEVER written about the misguided support for BLM.

I am aware. This is partly why your response was disingenuous. So... if you know the democrats support BLM, antifa, and shame poor white people as deplorables why would you pretend Goran was offbase?

102 MMR   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 9, 4:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

Dems who support antifa especially but not limited to when they physically assault other

In fairness to iwog, pretty sure he has criticized them

104 FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 9, 4:34pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This alone speaks volumes of the racist Democratic Party and their hatred for white folk.

Goran_K says

iwog says

If there aren't any Democrats in the government actively demonizing white people, what's the point then?? Can you state it?

Are you fucking kidding?

From the pen of Democrat US congressman Keith Ellison:



“Since no one but the WASP elite really appreciates affirmative action, I have a challenge for all fair-minded middle- and working-class white people: I will urge black people to abandon white-dominated, integration-oriented, give-away programs, if you urge white people to justly compensate black people for 250 years of slavery, 90 years of Jim Crow and 25 years of neo-Jim Crow. The settlement could be a straight cash transfer for all the black exploitation. This means just compensation for all the labor hours put in by the slaves and just compensation for all ...

105 just any guy   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 9, 6:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

A "tape" of a man cheating on his wife proves the truth and is often used as evidence. It's also quite frequently the way blackmail is committed. Lets assume Comey said something embarrassing or possibly even illegal on those "tapes" which formed the basis of Donald Trump's threat. How the fuck do you think this can be reconciled with the opinion that "threatening with tapes doesn't make sense."

Blackmail would be Trump making Comey do something unethical because he has him on tape doing something illegal or wrong. But that's not the case here. Trump simply reacted to Comey's "leak" about their conversations, and he responded with the "tapes" comment only to dispute what Comey is alleging. THAT'S NOT BLACKMAIL.

107 just any guy   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 9, 6:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

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108 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 10, 3:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

just any guy says

Blackmail would be Trump making Comey do something unethical because he has him on tape doing something illegal or wrong. But that's not the case here.

It's absolutely stunning that you think you know any of this when you couldn't possibly have any idea.

just any guy says

Trump simply reacted to Comey's "leak" about their conversations, and he responded with the "tapes" comment only to dispute what Comey is alleging.

Bullshit. You don't publicly threaten someone when you have the goods, there's absolutely no reason to do so. If he lies during testimony, you simply produce the "tape" and look like a hero while Comey is thrown under the bus. What Donald Trump did was either lie about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness or tell the truth about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness. Everything else is bullshit.

109 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 10, 5:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

If he lies during testimony, you simply produce the "tape" and look like a hero while Comey is thrown under the bus

Comey did lie. Trump's lawyer called him out. I don't know about her, but Trump was absolutely vindicated.

110 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 10, 5:11am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

This alone speaks volumes of the racist Democratic Party and their hatred for white folk.

And they wonder why they lost the white vote...

111 BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2017 Jun 10, 6:08am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

He did neither.
You are a wrongie.
"James Comey better hope that there are no 'tapes' of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” Trump tweeted.

iwog says

What Donald Trump did was either lie about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness or tell the truth about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness.

112 BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2017 Jun 10, 6:10am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

"better hope there are no tapes" is neither confirmation of the existence of tapes, or denial of the existence of tapes. It is pure speculation.

113 Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 10, 6:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

Comey did lie. Trump's lawyer called him out

And just because Trump says his crowd was bigger than Obama, you want to believe him. In fact , Comey called Trump a liar to his face and challenged him to produce the tapes.

114 just any guy   ignore (0)   2017 Jun 10, 7:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

It's absolutely stunning that you think you know any of this when you couldn't possibly have any idea.

I don't understand this comment as a response to what I said.

iwog says

What Donald Trump did was either lie about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness or tell the truth about tapes to attempt to tamper with a witness.

You act as if "threatening with tapes" is like threatening someone's life in order for them not to testify. If Comey just tells the truth and has nothing to hide, who cares what Trump says about tapes. Stop reaching.

116 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 10, 3:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

just any guy says

You act as if "threatening with tapes" is like threatening someone's life in order for them not to testify.

The standard for a witness tampering conviction was easily met by trump's attempt at blackmail. However considering Comey was also fired, which is the exact the same act of obstruction that Nixon was impeached for, I think the context drives it home even further.

Then you add in the stupid demand for loyalty and it's inconceivable that any other conclusion could be reached.

117 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Jun 11, 8:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Then you add in the stupid demand for loyalty and it's inconceivable that any other conclusion could be reached.

it's fucking critical in government that officials are loyal to the US constitution, not their superiors or own ideologies.

this is why business and politics doesn't mix, the business world -- especially the corrupt wheeler-dealer FIRE bullshit Trump and his cronies get rich with -- does not have this moral, greater-good polestar.

118 FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 11, 8:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

You mean like marine who Obama fired for Facebook criticism? You boys lowered the standard 4 years ago.

Bellingham Bill says

iwog says

Then you add in the stupid demand for loyalty and it's inconceivable that any other conclusion could be reached.

it's fucking critical in government that officials are loyal to the US constitution, not their superiors or own ideologies.

this is why business and politics doesn't mix, the business world -- especially the corrupt wheeler-dealer FIRE bullshit Trump and his cronies get rich with -- does not have this moral, greater-good polestar.

119 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 11, 8:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Bellingham Bill says

US constitution

Bellingham Bill says

Trump and his cronies

Bellingham Bill says

does not have this moral, greater-good polestar.

Bull shit. Team Trump is the only political group that cares about the constitution. Never have constitutional values been as thoroughly trashed as under the Clinton/Bush/Obama neocon agenda.

120 iwog   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 11, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

CBOEtrader says

Bull shit. Team Trump is the only political group that cares about the constitution.

Once again you blow out a blind assertion and pretend it's an argument. Name one significant difference between the Trump administration and the Obama administration when it comes to respecting the constitution.

121 Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2017 Jun 11, 1:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

You mean like marine who Obama fired for Facebook criticism? You boys lowered the standard 4 years ago.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/marine-discharged-criticizing-obama-facebook/328885/

insubordination is a firing offense yes. Not that the CiC himself fired him, but this guy's attitude needed adjustment, and the adjustment was accomplished.

122 CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 11, 2:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Obama administration when it comes to respecting the constitution.

First off, the original claim was that Trump is singularly not beholden to the constitution as compared to other administrations. How about you prove that first? So, what is your evidence that Trump is ignoring the constitution as his northstar in favor of personal enrichment in a way that is beyond what Clinton/Bush/Obama have done.

Trump is 1/24 of his way through his 8 years of presidency. That's called incomplete data.

Whereas Bush/Obama trampled our constitution. Do we agree on this starting point?

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