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Rumors swirl : Trump may fire Mueller


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2017 Jun 12, 10:54pm   6,887 views  52 comments

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I think that may put it only one place: impeachment.

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1   Strategist   2017 Jun 12, 11:31pm  

Rew says

I think that may put it only one place: impeachment.

Why? Some kinda law against the President firing Mueller?

2   Rew   2017 Jun 13, 12:21am  

Strategist says

Why? Some kinda law against the President firing Mueller?

Likely. The AG I believe has to fire a special investigator, for cause, only.

That wouldn't be the point anyhow. The point is the President, who claims he hasn't done anything and is totally vindicated, is terminating people who are investigating his administration ... and likely him. You couldn't not have a massive obstruction case at that point.

It's beyond telling that a week ago Mueller was being held up as a great impartial choice, and tonight all of Trumps surrogates are out in force, blasting him. (shaking head)

Trump is going to go down as the worst president we have ever had. Freaking amazing.

3   justme   2017 Jun 13, 1:03am  

Don't forget about the precedent: Richard Nixon fired the special Watergate prosecutor, and that most definitely sealed his fate.

4   Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 13, 5:31am  

Nixon was a different time civic minded American's ruled the ballot box.
If Nixon had todays demographic he would have and could have stayed.
Today Civics is what ever the "ACTOR" in any given poltical situation says it is.
One idiot on the Hill says Trump can't do that! Trump says watch me. And nobody knows for sure what in the fuck he can and can't do.
Because they are all too busy listening to transgendered reporters who just don't know what in the fuck is going on. But that doesn't stop him from breaking laws to proove how much he hates Donald Trump.

5   Y   2017 Jun 13, 5:35am  

cause he didn't like him.
Next...

Rew says

Likely. The AG I believe has to fire a special investigator, for cause, only.

6   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 13, 6:12am  

There's nothing against the law, but impeachment is a political process--not a law enforcement process. Firing the special prosecutor is very problematic politically and could turn up the fire on Trump.

7   Shaman   2017 Jun 13, 7:38am  

I'll agree that he shouldn't do that. The optics alone would be terrible. Not only that, but Mueller is more likely to dig up dirt on the DNC than Trump or his campaign.

That said, the media has tried to wag the dog too many times to be believed about anything. This "story" is most likely a huge farce.

8   Blurtman   2017 Jun 13, 8:46am  

It's time for an omnipotent ruler of the country.

9   anonymous   2017 Jun 13, 8:56am  

If John Rambo ran as a Republican, the "Independents" would certainly elect him, because libruls yucky

10   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 13, 8:58am  

Quigley says

That said, the media has tried to wag the dog too many times to be believed about anything. This "story" is most likely a huge farce.

I think this is all BS, esp. since it was the Rosenstein and Sessions that appointed him.

11   lostand confused   2017 Jun 13, 9:02am  

Rumor Trump is an ogre that eats children.

12   Blurtman   2017 Jun 13, 9:24am  

Trump killed Kenny!

13   Rew   2017 Jun 13, 10:23am  

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/us/politics/jeff-sessions-testimony.html
Rosenstein questioned directly on it, and says he will only fire Mueller if there is cause. Additionally states Mueller will have independence.

A smart decision by Trump, if he still wants to remain President, is to let that stand. Likely one of his last decisions as President would be to reach in and try and get Rosenstein to fire Mueller.

14   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 13, 10:56am  

More "Trump's gonna be removed from office" speculation, eh?

Will be the dumbest thing the Oligarchs and the Deep State can do, very irresponsible. But the latter is very desperate, just like the outdated Legacy Media.

15   Rew   2017 Jun 13, 11:20am  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Will be the dumbest thing the Oligarchs and the Deep State can do, very irresponsible. But the latter is very desperate, just like the outdated Legacy Media.

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

Tim Aurora says

I think this is to just pressure Mueller. "Touch me and I will fire you and declare martial law"

Hahaha! I would love that. Trump would be out on his ass so fast it would make his hair flop over.

16   Rew   2017 Jun 13, 11:30am  

Trump faces swift backlash after allies push Mueller firing:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/trump-robert-mueller-firing-backlash-239484

You know he is just itching to do something 'presidential' though. Come on tRump!

17   Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 13, 11:34am  

Now why are you shitbirds wishing Trump does something that you would be powerless to do anything about.
Say what you mean you idiots waste time in petty games. The voters fired Mueller the minute he was selected. 60% of us don't give a fuck about Chuck Schumer's feelings.

18   Shaman   2017 Jun 13, 11:35am  

Rew says

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

Let me correct that for you: "That darn Legacy Media, with their rumors, anonymous sources, wild speculation presented as fact, and dirt digging in the same tiny mound.

19   Rew   2017 Jun 13, 1:16pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Now why are you shitbirds wishing Trump does something that you would be powerless to do anything about.

The continued optics of firing investigators lined up against you is beyond damaging. Trump, by moving to fire Mueller, would put himself in very likely impeachable territory.

... regardless of ...

anonymous says

Here’s Why Trump Can Fire Robert Mueller: The Law That Would’ve Stopped Him Expired In 1999.

... the legality.

20   Shaman   2017 Jun 13, 8:52pm  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/13/sarah-sanders-donald-trump-has-no-intention-of-firing-robert-mueller/

Damn! It's exhausting to be right so very often!

Quigley says

That said, the media has tried to wag the dog too many times to be believed about anything. This "story" is most likely a huge farce.

21   Shaman   2017 Jun 14, 8:20am  

Appealing to a supposed motive for denying a supposed intention as a ruse to claim victory is about the saddest thing ever.
The fact remains that Trump is denying he ever had an intention of firing Mueller, and neither he nor his spokesperson has ever said differently. A blabbermouth CEO was the "news source" who somehow claimed to know Trump's intentions, and 12 hours later the news cycle has Trump impeached for misconduct and obstruction.

Meanwhile: fake news!

22   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 9:00am  

Rew says

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

With their Oligarch ownership and free trade/bomb 'em all ideology before America's interest.

Did they find any evidence of the #Russiahoax yet?

23   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 10:18am  

Rew says

There is massive evidence Russia tampered with our election. It's too bad, because it is politically advantageous, so many will chose to deny it. What happens when foreign support isn't given to the side you like? Regardless of how much we want to argue about how influential it was to have Russia pushing on the election, do you not agree that that alone is something to go find out the depths of, so we can prevent and safeguard against it?

Really? What is this vaunted clear and unambiguous evidence? Links and sources please.

24   Shaman   2017 Jun 14, 10:59am  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Really? What is this vaunted clear and unambiguous evidence? Links and sources please.

Evidence is continued repetition that they have evidence, until the propaganda sinks into the collective mind and we all accept it as truth (without needing to ever see this evidence.)

25   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 11:31am  

Quigley says

Evidence is continued repetition that they have evidence ...

Russia has been engaging in propaganda wars and investing seed money in nationalist separatist groups throughout the West. Fact.
America has been a strong target of that especially during our election. Fact.

If people are too partisan to understand that now is NOT the time to willfully disbelieve something which is inconvenient to your world narrative, we will remain in peril. If short term partisan vindictiveness, and name calling, is what the driving force in the nation is, we are lost.

A deeply divided America steps back from the world.
We head toward another dark valley.

26   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 14, 11:32am  

Just to be clear--what is the #Russiahoax? Russia was not involved?

Do you disagree with this bloomberg article?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

27   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 11:39am  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Mr. Boy Scout Comey just testified that not one vote was changed ...

He said he had no evidence that could show it. Do you understand the subtlety?

"Why did you buy that brand of cheese? Was it because of TV advertising?"
"Uhhh ... it just looked good. I don't know. Maybe it was the packaging?"

Do you understand how amazingly difficult it would be right now to prove how big a correlation and influence Russia had on human motivations to vote? Do you understand why it then might be so high of a national importance to go look to find out?

We aren't hunting witches. We are hunting Russians. If corrupt liars get caught in the mix ... not sorry!

28   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 11:46am  

joeyjojojunior says

Do you disagree with this bloomberg article?

Please define "Involved".

Now, Do you disagree with Obama?
Horses Mouth: "No person out there...who would suggest... you can even rig America's election"
www.youtube.com/embed/cruh2p_Wh_4

As your own Bloomberg article states, it's counties who upload into the state, IL does not send anything to the counties and localities that actually run the election.
Nor was any evidence provided that Russia was responsible. Just claims, from the same agencies that said "Yellowcake!" and "Regime Defectors!" "Prove" Saddam has WMDs.

Or James Comey?
From another horse's mouth

GRAHAM: Do you agree that they did not change the actual vote tally, but one day they might?

COMEY: I agree that -- I very much we found no indication of any change in vote tallies.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/03/read-the-full-testimony-of-fbi-director-james-comey-in-which-he-discusses-clinton-email-investigation/?utm_term=.e35f8cb0de9d

(Goes on to give backhanded praise to decentralized, "Hairball" election system that protects against vote rigging. Keep this in mind when there are calls for nationalized databases of medical records)

29   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 11:52am  

Rew says

Do you understand how amazingly difficult it would be right now to prove how big a correlation and influence Russia had on human motivations to vote? Do you understand why it then might be so high of a national importance to go look to find out?

Therefore, any talk of impeachment is totally unjustified and actually, irresponsible and harmful.

Since information is important, would you agree with me that if the FBI isn't interested in looking at the best piece of physical evidence we have, Congress should investigate the Server?

30   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 14, 11:56am  

OK--I'll ask again. Do you believe that Russia mounted a cyber attack designed to influence the 2016 Presidential election?

31   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 12:01pm  

joeyjojojunior says

OK--I'll ask again. Do you believe that Russia mounted a cyber attack designed to influence the 2016 Presidential election?

Define Influence.

"Involved" "Interfere" - some major broad ass terms.

Please answer why if we're investigating Russian interference/hacking/involvement/whatever, the DNC Server has been officially and physically inspected by multiple IC/LEO agencies.

32   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 12:02pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Define Influence.

influence : as in to have an effect on, or try and cause something to occur.

33   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 12:04pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

"No person out there...who would suggest... you can even rig America's election"

By voter fraud ... cannot be rigged.
By sustained counter intelligence over many years ... I'm not sure we know enough to say. We better look at that!

EDIT:
TwoScoopsMcGee says

GRAHAM: Do you agree that they did not change the actual vote tally, but one day they might?

COMEY: I agree that -- I very much we found no indication of any change in vote tallies.

They said : they didn't physically change votes, or log votes, they aren't talking about their ongoing campaign of political influence.

34   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jun 14, 12:04pm  

Rew says

influence : as in to have an effect on, or try and cause something to occur.

Sure. Just like Obama influenced Brexit, Merkel tried to influence the US Election, the US operates RFL/RFE, etc. etc.

No doubt Sputnik and RT tries to influence US opinion. They pushed Ron Paul before.

Why hasn't the DNC, the lead organization behind #Russiagate, turned over their Server - they should be demanding the IC look at it for clues.

People really don't want to answer this conundrum. The DNC should be pushing it on government agencies to inspect.

Maybe Congress should do it.

35   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 12:10pm  

Which team are you playing for? America?

Edit: Unless you are welcoming Russian influence into our internal affairs? "We do it to" is not a defense. If anything, being pretty nationalistic myself and pro-American ideals, oh ... I very much like it when we score political wins in the international space. Remember that whole winning thing?

36   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 12:13pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says

So after months of multiple ICs investigating, there's no evidence. There's your sublety.

This will take YEARS! Watergate took how long? 2 hours to commit and, what, over 2 years to investigate?
Get comfy comrade.

37   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 14, 12:17pm  

"Sure. Just like Obama influenced Brexit, Merkel tried to influence the US Election, the US operates RFL/RFE, etc. etc"

Did Obama mount an illegal cyber attack?

Did Merkel hack in to the voting databases of 39 states?

38   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jun 14, 12:18pm  

And, fyi, the RNC was also hacked. Why aren't they giving the FBI their servers?

39   anonymous   2017 Jun 14, 2:19pm  

If people are too partisan

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What the heck do you mean "If"?

40   Rew   2017 Jun 14, 3:05pm  

errc says

What the heck do you mean "If"?

So no hope then errc? Surrender now to the great divides that consume us?

F* it. Gonna go push a button to get me a diet coke. (One thing I have in common with Trump. SEEEEeee even I can do it! laugh.)

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