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Bernie Sanders is out of his mind

By CovfefeButDeadly following x   2017 Jun 14, 6:03pm 1,349 views   25 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


From a Facebook posting of his:

"Some people say that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is a crazy, radical idea. You know what’s really crazy? The fact that there is not a single state where someone can work 40 hours a week at the minimum wage and be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment. Not one. In some places, like Seattle, workers would have to clock over 70 or 80 hours to afford it. That’s what’s radical. Paying workers a living wage is just the reasonable thing to do in a decent society."

1   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 14, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Maybe not, but you would be one helluva aristocratic street person.

2   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 14, 6:13pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The comments to it were over the top stupid. One described fast food work as back breaking and soul crushing. Bullshit. I worked fast food. Nothing difficult about it. I worked mornings and had no problem hitting the beach in the afternoon, going out with friends at night, and doing it all over again at 5am. Of course I was a college student on summer break...who the job was intended for. Must suck to be an adult without an education doing that. But I'm sure a joint or ten helps them forget.

Want backbreaking work? I worked manual labor too. No fun drinking a few brews when you get home, just so the pain in your back numbs enough to go to sleep, hoping you can actually get out of bed in the morning so you can get a full week of pay. Of course unless your lying drywall, those jobs pay a heck of a lot better than minimum wage. There's a reason why.

And you want the worst? I know a lot of pat.net people work in tech jobs and like me must have experienced the worst stress possible...stuff that even exceeds the physical pain that manual laborers experience. The type of shit where you're worried about not only yourself, but for all the people that work for you. Where if you don't hit benchmarks or if the customer pulls their contract...you and your staff hit the unemployment rolls. Exhausting beyond belief, the stuff that cuts lives short . The reason I applied to work in a government job.

I know a lot of you love Bernie. I think he's a true believer. He's also a massive windbag.

4   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Jun 14, 6:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

To me it just boils down to whether you think the Federal Government should subsidize private corporations by allowing them to hire full time workers at a wage that requires employees to collect welfare to survive.

If you think it's the governments job to give money to Walmart, McDonalds, Burger King, etc then by all means keep minimum wage at these levels, That's how the 1% owner class continues to get richer while the 99% working class continues to suffer.

5   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 14, 7:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

To me it just boils down to whether you think the Federal Government should subsidize private corporations by allowing them to hire full time workers at a wage that requires employees to collect welfare to survive.

If you think it's the governments job to give money to Walmart, McDonalds, Burger King, etc then by all means keep minimum wage at these levels, That's how the 1% owner class continues to get richer while the 99% working class continues to suffer.

A single person making min wage qualifies for govt subsidies nowhere. So there goes that.

7   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2017 Jun 14, 8:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If Sanders cared about AMERICA!, he'd be filing bills 10, 100 a day to repeal the 13th Amendment, the real enemy of FREE!dom and greatness.

Everyone knows that.

8   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2017 Jun 14, 9:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joeyjojojunior says

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-12-17/the-minimum-wage-and-mcdonald-s-welfare

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/14/report-taxpayers-subsidize-153-8-billion-wages-annually.html

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/columns/article_ab7c5c00-4114-11e3-b191-001a4bcf887a.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/wal-mart-relies-on-taxpayers-to-subsidize-low-wages-2013-6

I was dumb enough to bother browsing your articles. Nothing in them counters my statement that single individuals on full time min wage jobs do not qualify for any sort of welfare.

I'd wager good money that most of the people receiving welfare, food stamps, etc and making min wage do not work 40 hours a week.

10   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 10:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Fucking White Male says

"Some people say that raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is a crazy, radical idea. You know what’s really crazy? The fact that there is not a single state where someone can work 40 hours a week at the minimum wage and be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment. Not one. In some places, like Seattle, workers would have to clock over 70 or 80 hours to afford it. That’s what’s radical. Paying workers a living wage is just the reasonable thing to do in a decent society."

He's absolutely right.

I'm not sure what is so controversial about this. When slavery was legal, slaves were fed, clothed, and given accommodations in a shack on the owners land.

Today on minimum wage people can barely afford food and clothing. A shack is out of the question and you can forget any kind of medical care.

11   bob2356   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 27, 10:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Fucking White Male says

A single person making min wage qualifies for govt subsidies nowhere. So there goes that.

Current maximum income for snap for a single person is 1287 per month. Assuming you don't work overtime and take normal holidays then yes you do qualify. Seems your time might be better spent looking up what the actual qualifications are rather than browsing online articles.

12   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 27, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

If laws were forced to be named after their effect, then the minimum wage law would be called the robot subsidy act.

13   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 11:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

zzyzzx says

If laws were forced to be named after their effect, then the minimum wage law would be called the robot subsidy act.

There's no end to the depth of this black hole. People like you never understand this.

Technology which is generally nothing more than silicone and steel will ALWAYS be cheaper than human beings in the end. No matter how little people are paid, no matter how poorly they are treated, the price for a robot to replace a human will eventually shrink to the point where the human becomes obsolete and a nuisance.

You have no answer for this eventuality and you never will. You'll never read Karl Marx although you'll claim to hate it and you will always pretend it's a black book of evil with no relevance to anything. However you misunderstand the relevance of a writer like Marx. It should never be read as a prescription but it's quite clearly a warning for what happens when capitalists take things too far.

14   mmmarvel   ignore (0)   2017 Jul 27, 12:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Fucking White Male says

You know what’s really crazy? The fact that there is not a single state where someone can work 40 hours a week at the minimum wage and be able to afford a one-bedroom apartment.

No, you know what's really crazy? Is that ANYONE should expect/try to live on a minimum wage job. If that's what your making, step up your game. Get some skills, do something besides play video games and smoke bongs in your off time, move on up. I've had several jobs where I started at minimum wage, but my work showed the boss I was better then that, i was moved up. If I wasn't moved up (usually in the first month) I found a better job where I was appreciated elsewhere. Minimum wage is just that, it's minimum. It's not (never was intended) to be a 'living wage' - up your game. Bust your hump, find a better position or a better job. If you don't want to be making minimum wage, then don't accept/settle for a job that pays minimum wage. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to take it. Quit whining.

15   mmmarvel   ignore (0)   2017 Jul 27, 1:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The weekly take-home pay for a 40-hour-a-week minimum-wage employee, after Social Security and Medicare taxes. That adds up to $13,926.38 per year, or just over $1,150 per month.

And here in Houston, I find this:
$645 / 1br - 550ft2 - Comfort&Luxury Apartment with Amenities (6101 Antoine Dr) the amenities included water, sewer and trash paid. That leaves them with electricity,food and transportation

So I call BS on the posting. And remember, we don't charge income tax in Texas so they are bring home all of that $1150.

16   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

mmmarvel says

No, you know what's really crazy? Is that ANYONE should expect/try to live on a minimum wage job. If that's what your making, step up your game. Get some skills, do something besides play video games and smoke bongs in your off time, move on up. I've had several jobs where I started at minimum wage, but my work showed the boss I was better then that, i was moved up. If I wasn't moved up (usually in the first month) I found a better job where I was appreciated elsewhere. Minimum wage is just that, it's minimum. It's not (never was intended) to be a 'living wage' - up your game. Bust your hump, find a better position or a better job. If you don't want to be making minimum wage, then don't accept/settle for a job that pays minimum wage. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to take it. Quit whining.

Assuming there NEEDS to be minimum wage jobs and that they are ever increasing numbers of them, it is impossible for the huge majority of workers to do what you are suggesting. For every person who improves himself and moves on, another will be forced out of a higher paying job and back to WalMart.

We in the USA are actually pretty lucky. We survive on the backs of 3rd world slave labor, even those at minimum wage, and have no idea how 80% of the world's population live.

17   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 1:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

mmmarvel says

The weekly take-home pay for a 40-hour-a-week minimum-wage employee, after Social Security and Medicare taxes. That adds up to $13,926.38 per year, or just over $1,150 per month.

And here in Houston, I find this:

$645 / 1br - 550ft2 - Comfort&Luxury Apartment with Amenities (6101 Antoine Dr) the amenities included water, sewer and trash paid. That leaves them with electricity,food and transportation

So I call BS on the posting. And remember, we don't charge income tax in Texas so they are bring home all of that $1150.

So you're claiming $500 per month for car, insurance, gas, food, clothing, health care, dental, and telephone service with no hope of ever having children.

That's some high living right there!!

18   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 27, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Fuck you all! The revolution is coming.

19   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2017 Jul 27, 5:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

What's the min wage in Texas?

There's cheaper parts of Texas with ample jobs paying well over $10 an hour($20k a year gross).

20   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 27, 7:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

zzyzzx says

If laws were forced to be named after their effect, then the minimum wage law would be called the robot subsidy act.

There's no end to the depth of this black hole. People like you never understand this.

Technology which is generally nothing more than silicone and steel will ALWAYS be cheaper than human beings in the end. No matter how little people are paid, no matter how poorly they are treated, the price for a robot to replace a human will eventually shrink to the point where the human becomes obsolete and a nuisance.

You have no answer for this eventuality and you never will. You'll never read Karl Marx although you'll claim to hate it and you will always pretend it's a black book of evil with no relevance to anything. However you misunderstand the relevance of a writer like Marx. It should never be read as a prescription but it's quite clear...

At least you admit your ideological perspective.

21   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2017 Jul 27, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

mmmarvel says

The weekly take-home pay for a 40-hour-a-week minimum-wage employee, after Social Security and Medicare taxes. That adds up to $13,926.38 per year, or just over $1,150 per month.

And here in Houston, I find this:


$645 / 1br - 550ft2 - Comfort&Luxury Apartment with Amenities (6101 Antoine Dr) the amenities included water, sewer and trash paid. That leaves them with electricity,food and transportation

So I call BS on the posting. And remember, we don't charge income tax in Texas so they are bring home all of that $1150.

So you're claiming $500 per month for car, insurance, gas, food, clothing, health care, dental, and telephone service with no hope of ever having children.

That's some high living right there!!

No. You don't get to add $1100/month of value to society and expect to afford a family. Sorry, absolutely never would, could, or should happen.

22   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 8:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says

At least you admit your ideological perspective.

Really? I think you're lying. I don't think you could identify my ideological perspective.

If you disagree, post it now.

23   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jul 27, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says

No. You don't get to add $1100/month of value to society and expect to afford a family. Sorry, absolutely never would, could, or should happen.

Aaaaaaand there you have it folks. The atrocity of unrestrained capitalism. You're lying about the $1100 per month of value to society. He might be contributing $3000 a month or $5000 a month or $20,000 a month or $100,000 a month however if he doesn't own the capital, he's paid as low as humanly possible while the owners take all the rest.

This can be illustrated best in a factory where labor is paid practically nothing to produce Nike shoes worth tens of thousands of dollars. No one would argue that it's unreasonable to pay $100 for a pair of shoes thus the shoes themselves are of value to society at about $100 a pair. However for each pair of shoes, workers might have been paid a few pennies for their labor, exposure to toxic solvents and adhesives, and pretty much all of their time.

A person might say their contribution to society would only be a few pennies but then that person could only be someone who has had most of his brains fucked out of his skull through his eye sockets.

It is very sad what is coming to you middle-class Ayn Rand advocates. I'm sorry to say you will deserve all of it.

24   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Jul 27, 8:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

No/poor paying jobs,no consumers.
That'll be great for the economy.
How about investments?
Trying to maintain progress with no revenue is the MAGA plan?

In the late 70s & 80's I was paying my construction employees $12.00-$15.00/hr.
We were all happy & few ever quit.

25   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Jul 27, 8:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOEtrader says

obsolete and a nuisance.

Wait just a Damn minute! Leave Patnetters out of this!


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