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Booger says

Only 1 billion guns in the entire world? I find that to be an unbelievably low number if militaries are accounted for. I wouldn't be surprised if private citizens in the US alone owned 1 billion. Which I'm fine with. Generally speaking, dumb people shoot other dumb people. Not always, but that's kind of the trend if you track murders.

WookieMan says

Generally speaking, dumb people shoot other dumb people. Not always, but that's kind of the trend if you track murders.

Does that include law enforcement officers?

MrMagic says

Does that include law enforcement officers?

Only if you believe cops are regular people.

MrMagic says

WookieMan says

Generally speaking, dumb people shoot other dumb people. Not always, but that's kind of the trend if you track murders.

Does that include law enforcement officers?

You've pegged me wrong. I'm good with cops. It's a shitty job with slightly too high of pay/benefits in some jurisdictions. I don't do illegal things so they don't bother me and frankly I end up hanging out with them. A tiny, tiny percentage of cops are bad in my opinion. Overall, when they shoot someone 9.9 out of 10 times it's probably justified.

Fact remains, just don't do illegal shit. Mix ups will happen, no system is perfect, but that's no reason to trash cops.

WookieMan says

You've pegged me wrong. I'm good with cops. It's a shitty job with slightly too high of pay/benefits in some jurisdictions. I don't do illegal things so they don't bother me and frankly I end up hanging out with them. A tiny, tiny percentage of cops are bad in my opinion. Overall, when they shoot someone 9.9 out of 10 times it's probably justified.

Fact remains, just don't do illegal shit. Mix ups will happen, no system is perfect, but that's no reason to trash cops.

So cops aren't regular people?

NuttBoxer says

So cops aren't regular people?

Wasn't saying that. Yes, they are "regular people" and should be treated that way if they abuse the position. We have laws and lots of departments have body cameras now. The rogue cop being the norm (tiny percentage) is a thing of the past.

Every situation where someone gets shot by a cop now is completely scrutinized. Things are better, we just hear WAY more about police now. I tend to find the complainers about police tend to do illegal activities. There's a simple solution to that. Stop doing illegal shit. And YES, I'm a proponent of at least legalizing weed as it's wasting our first responders time on one of the most trivial things ever, a harmless plant.

I believe the question about cops stems from the fact that some in this country have a false belief(perpetuated by government), that cops are somehow better than the rest of us. But the generalization you made about dumb people committing murders holds true regardless if they are cops or not, as cops are clearly regular people, and therefore a percentage of them are dumb.

NuttBoxer says

I believe the question about cops stems from the fact that some in this country have a false belief(perpetuated by government), that cops are somehow better than the rest of us. But the generalization you made about dumb people committing murders holds true regardless if they are cops or not, as cops are clearly regular people, and therefore a percentage of them are dumb.

One of the biggest issues in discussing black vs others and incorporating gun control is that the various movements...Black lies matter, nfl protests, etc perpetuate false information along with a compliant msm in omitting relevant information such as that no evidence of crime or civil rights violation was found by an President Obama and Eric Holder led justice Department in the deaths or Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Trayvon Martin. Yet these incidents are falsely held and regarded as racist killings by cops. The msm ought to be pointing out the blatant lies of the nfl players and various leftist movements every single time they are used as justification for “racist killings and cops”.

Until the msm can be honest about what they are reporting, I really don’t see any way to have fair conversations about gun control or policing.

CovfefeButDeadly says

NuttBoxer says

I believe the question about cops stems from the fact that some in this country have a false belief(perpetuated by government), that cops are somehow better than the rest of us. But the generalization you made about dumb people committing murders holds true regardless if they are cops or not, as cops are clearly regular people, and therefore a percentage of them are dumb.

One of the biggest issues in discussing black vs others and incorporating gun control is that the various movements...Black lies matter, nfl protests, etc perpetuate false information along with a compliant msm in omitting relevant information such as that no evidence of crime or civil rights violation was found by an President Obama and Eric Holder led justice Department in the deaths or Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Trayvon Martin. Yet these incidents are falsely held and regarded as racist killings by cops. The...

Well said.

CovfefeButDeadly says

no evidence of crime or civil rights violation was found by an President Obama and Eric Holder led justice Department in the deaths or Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Trayvon Martin.

The problem with that statement is that it assumes race is more important than government, it's not. Government will sell out their own ethnicity a billion times over before they'll put the system on trial.

As to the anger, I gotta say, there is some truth to the fact that black people have been putting up with this shit longer, more due to poverty than race, although that has certainly led to racial profiling, if that makes sense.

NuttBoxer says

CovfefeButDeadly says

no evidence of crime or civil rights violation was found by an President Obama and Eric Holder led justice Department in the deaths or Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Trayvon Martin.

The problem with that statement is that it assumes race is more important than government, it's not. Government will sell out their own ethnicity a billion times over before they'll put the system on trial.

As to the anger, I gotta say, there is some truth to the fact that black people have been putting up with this shit longer, more due to poverty than race, although that has certainly led to racial profiling, if that makes sense.

I don’t think it makes sense. I think that things have changed drastically but due to msm propaganda, there’s a healthy portion of the population that believes the US is preposterously racist. This is evidenced in polls from the 90’s showing nearly everyone believed that race relations had improved since the 60’s vs polls now showing only around a third believeing the same, with most of those thinking things are so bad being Democrats.

My statement has nothing to do with how the general populace perceives race, or the current status of race relations overall. I was speaking to a very specific point, interactions with cops and blacks, which you had alluded to in your previous comment.

Context matters.