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72 FortWayne   2017 Jul 8, 6:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

The United States has a higher execution rate than 95% of all Islamic nations on earth including places like Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Pakistan.

Typical left wing posturing. Not a peep about ISIS executions of thousands.

73 iwog   2017 Jul 8, 7:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

drBu says

1. 160 K is minimal estimate according to pro-Moscow Chechens.

Now you're just lying.

Human Rights Watch, an organization with every incentive to come in as high as possible, says 25,000 regardless of what anyone else says. At best it's disputed. At worst your sources are outright full of shit. However this isn't even the main point of the argument. The entire reason this was all brought up was the claim that Islam is worse than Nazism. I find this assertion to be fucking idiocy and I make the counter argument, which you have now helped me prove, that Christian-dominated nations have out killed Islam by 100 to 1.

PeopleUnited says

Taken as a whole yes, American residents are at higher risk for murder than Egyptian residents. But that is not the whole story.

You also have apparently lost the plot. You cannot justify the claim that Islam is a bloody evil force that is killing people wholesale since the United States of America regularly slaughters more people than all terrorist acts combined. Furthermore you cannot simply say "MUSLIMS DID IT!!!" unless you can somehow dismiss places like El Salvador which are far more dangerous and can just as accurately be claimed "CHRISTIANS DID IT!!!"

You're going to twist into a pretzel trying to say that somehow religious inspired killing that constitutes a tiny % of all the killing worldwide is a massive problem that we must take Orwellian measures to eradicate.

Or.........maybe we need to eradicate Republicans so we can FINALLY fix immigration for good.

74 Rew   2017 Jul 8, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

You're going to twist into a pretzel trying to say that somehow religious inspired killing that constitutes a tiny % of all the killing worldwide is a massive problem that we must take Orwellian measures to eradicate.

Or at the least, drum up enough fear and hate, to go commit some more non-religious-based killings of our own.

75 curious2   2017 Jul 8, 8:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

This debate is fascinating, so thanks all who wrote. This being the weekend, I'll add if I may a hopefully entertaining perspective: an episode of the original Twilight Zone called "Escape Clause

Walter Bedeker sells his soul to the devil (appearing as..."Ted Cadwallader" here) in exchange for immortality, adding enough conditions to keep him out of Cadwallader's clutches forever. Cadwallader readily agrees to his demands, only stipulating an escape clause which allows Bedeker to choose the time of his death if he tires of being immortal.

Bedeker uses his newfound invulnerability to collect insurance money and cheap thrills by hurling himself into life-threatening accidents... He tells his wife that he is going to attempt to regain the thrill by jumping off the roof of their apartment building. While trying to stop him, his wife accidentally falls off the edge herself. Bedeker tells the authorities he murdered his wife, hoping to experience the electric chair. However, due to his lawyer's defense strategy, he is instead sentenced to life in prison without parole. Cadwallader visits Bedeker in his holding cell to remind him of the escape clause. Realizing he will face eternity in prison if he does not use it, Bedeker nods and suffers a fatal heart attack. The guard discovers his lifeless body and sighs, "Poor devil..."."

Mohamed and his followers fabricated the fraud of "Islam" (a word that means literally "submission") for the express purpose of conquering and enslaving as many people as possible. His followers went on to slaughter more than 60 million people, even more than the Nazis, though the Nazis were quicker about it. Islam is a retrograde force, as Churchill and Patton observed. Islam is everywhere the enemy of liberty: it's like eternal imprisonment.

You decide which is worse. Either way, saying America has also done bad things doesn't change the fact that Islam is horrible and hates us.

Also, I find it interesting that iwog (who supports war in Korea) and Rew (who supports war in Syria) mention American wars as a bad thing. I suggest reading Empire of Debt. Since the Fed enabled seemingly limitless borrowing and spending, a succession of Presidents from Wilson to Bush 43 have increased their own power (including to gain cooperation in Congress in exchange for more spending) by waging wars all over the world. It was not always that way, nor should it be, but the borrow&spend crowd got bailed out and America is in the full throes of its secular religion: eternal life through infinite borrowing & spending.

Cheers!

76 Rew   2017 Jul 8, 8:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

Also, I find it interesting that iwog (who supports war in Korea) and Rew (who supports war in Syria) mention American wars as a bad thing.

There are things worse than war and it should always be the last option.

The only place I disagreed with Obama, and agreed with Trump, was striking post use of the chemical weapons. With regards to the fight against ISIS though, I do not see how we can allow that movement to exist and fester in the civil war which Assad brought upon himself.

Are you saying you do not "support" military intervention in Syria? Would you change ISIS through words only then?

Edit: the real issue for both Syria and Iraq will be after you have beat back IS and taken the stronghold cities, what now? For Syria nothing short than control of the country will be what is turned toward.

77 iwog   2017 Jul 8, 10:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

curious2 says

Also, I find it interesting that iwog (who supports war in Korea) and Rew (who supports war in Syria) mention American wars as a bad thing.

The Iraq war was a bad thing. The Vietnam war was a bad thing. Afghanistan was a necessary thing. World War II was a necessary thing.

Don't attribute quotes to me that don't exist.

78 curious2   2017 Jul 9, 2:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

Don't attribute quotes to me that don't exist.

iwog says

What we have now is a madman playing with nuclear weapons and no potential for a proxy war with China or Russia. The world is extremely negligent in allowing this to continue. You are extremely negligent in opposing the only ethical war in the last 70 years.

Furthermore this needs to be done EVEN IF North Korea is somehow able to "get one off" during our extermination action. The stakes are much bigger than putting American military lives at risk. If this madman develops an effective missile delivery system OR this madman accumulates many more nukes OR this madman dies and leaves an even more aggressive madman in his place, we'll be measuring the slaughter in far bigger numbers.

Rew says

Are you saying you do not "support" military intervention in Syria? Would you change [ISIL/Daesh] through words only then?

Candidate Trump said a range of things during the campaign, including that we should let Russia deal with it. The deep state and their Saudi clients have been trying to drag us into war there for years, in order to replace Shia Assad with a a Sunni government and run a Sunni gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Europe, rather than the Shia pipeline deal Assad signed. Hillay's War in Libya was also about protecting her Saudi clients from competition, even though she knew her Saudi clients were funding terrorism including ISIL/Daesh. (See also here.) Libya would have been a convenient source of oil/gas if Kadaffy, Blair, and Shell had been allowed to proceed that way, instead of getting muscled aside by the Clintons' Saudi clients. At the moment, DC and the MIC remain a swamp of Petrodollar baksheesh, so we can't get a policy on Syria that would serve American interests; Russia's interest in opposing Islamic terrorism aligns more closely with American interests than KSA's, so we should let Russia handle it. Russia had a base in Syria anyway, and we could duct gas to Europe from other places including the Mediterranean off Israel.

79 Tim Aurora   2017 Jul 9, 4:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

iwog says

Islam is a rallying cry.

Sorry, it is not a social justice platform. It is a cult and an ideology stuck in medieval times.

80 Quigley   2017 Jul 9, 5:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Afghanistan was a necessary thing

I'll agree with your other war assessments, but tell me exactly why you think we absolutely had to invade and war in afghanistan for 15 years? I'm not seeing the benefit. I'm also seeing plenty of downside, including lives lost, treasure wasted, soldiers maimed and ruined, a resurgent Taliban that moves in wherever we move out, a backward people who don't want us there to "free" them, and cheap heroin that's killing our kids.

81 Quigley   2017 Jul 9, 5:18am   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

I did not forget the point I am defending. Fort Wayne is accurate in stating that Islamic ideology influences people to kill others based on Islamic ideals. In much of the United States however, murder is so rare that it becomes obvious that religion is not responsible for the majority of murders. In fact, looking at the map, the urban centers with lower than average religious affiliation, and with higher than average wealth disparity and higher than average diversity also have MUCH higher rates of violence.

This is an excellent point. Most places in America are almost devoid of murder. It's only on the Democrat plantations that murder rates rise to alarming levels.
And yes, these places are unfailingly "diverse."

82 BayAreaObserver   2017 Jul 9, 5:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Agree 200% with Quigley on Afghanistan. Since our primary reason (supposedly) to go there (Bin Laden) was kicking back in Pakistan for untold number of years and our intelligence couldn't or wouldn't act on that - the reasons for our continued presence and possible increase in troops there makes no sense at all and the sooner we get out, the better.

Reminds me of a quote that is probably incorrectly attributed to Winston Churchill. "American will always do the right thing after they have tried everything else first"...

More likely this is the source and real quote: Quote Investigator: Probably not. The earliest evidence located by QI of a variant of this saying was employed by Abba Eban who was an Israeli politician and diplomat. In March 1967 Eban visited Japan, and the New York Times reported on a remark that he made:

Commenting that the passage of time offered the best hope of an end to the problems of Israel and her neighbors, he said: “Men and nations behave wisely when they have exhausted all other resources.”

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/11/exhaust-alternatives/

83 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 9, 12:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Rew says

iwog says

You're going to twist into a pretzel trying to say that somehow religious inspired killing that constitutes a tiny % of all the killing worldwide is a massive problem that we must take Orwellian measures to eradicate.

Or at the least, drum up enough fear and hate, to go commit some more non-religious-based killings of our own.

I don't believe the United States or even the United Nations should "eradicate" the problem of Islam. I do think intelligent human beings will develop a strategy to keep Islam at arms length (keep Islamists out of the west) and take measures against Islamic State and other active terrorist groups to prevent them from becoming the 4th Reich. If ISIS had more money and improved technology the results would be catastrophic. Intelligent human beings will understand that the most vocal Islamic influence on the world today is not peaceful, it is hateful, it is violent and it is uncompromising.

The only killing that US citizens should do is in self defense. The only killing American soldiers should do is just about the same. It may take some forward deployment to achieve this, but by and large I am not in favor of the United States policing the world. I am in favor of telling the truth about Islam, even if it offends the SJW's.

Either Islam is being used by those who seek to sow hatred and violence to recruit others to do the same, or Islam itself is violent and hateful. The end result is the same. Even though there are plenty of Muslims who would never think to do violence, there are a vocal minority who are inspired to do violence by the same uncompromising religion. There are also silent majority who seem content to let this violence continue, with some even giving aid/asylum to terrorists. Because of their unwillingness to compromise, Moslems would be happiest in places where everyone agrees with them. I think that is great, and they should stay together, and not spread their cult and culture of hatred to the rest of the world. That is the solution that makes sense. Live and let live can only work if Moslems are among their own kind (though clearly they will still fight amongst themselves and that is not our business).

84 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 9, 12:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Nothing about that source is objective. It counts killings in Syria for fuck sake. If you're going to tally "terrorist acts" during wartime then OBVIOUSLY the United States is FAR more violent than the worst offenders within Islam.

How's that for objectivity?

Like I said, if you have a better source for tallying Islamic violence, do share!

At least someone is trying to report to the world some of the influence Islam is having around the globe.

The United States is not innocent of violent offenses, but at least we supposedly get to elect new leaders every few years, and replace them with ones that more appropriately reflect American values. People who live under Islamic rule however, are constantly threatened with its violent and uncompromising teachings.

86 Rew   2017 Jul 9, 2:17pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

My wife has that phone case!

Wait a minute?

87 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 3:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

Like I said, if you have a better source for tallying Islamic violence, do share!

Yup. Murder and execution statistics. Unfortunately for your argument, total murder statistics listed by country do not support the assertion that Islam is causing the bloody holocaust that you are claiming. Also unfortunately for your argument, state sponsored executions in Islamic nations do not support the assertion that any state Islamic religion is causing the bloody holocaust that you are claiming.

1. The highest risk of being officially or unofficially executed is being Chinese.
2. The second highest risk of being officially or unofficially executed is living with Catholics in some very nasty Latin American nations.
3. The third highest risk of being officially or unofficially executed is being an American OR associated with people who hate Americans.

Are we fucking clear now? Islam is probably not in the top 100.

88 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 4:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

Typical left wing posturing. Not a peep about ISIS executions of thousands.

You mean the war?

You personally helped kill 100,000 people in Iraq, every single one of them innocent and practically none of them wishing Americans ill will. You have so much blood on your hands that it will never wash off.

89 Quigley   2017 Jul 9, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Are we fucking clear now? Islam is probably not in the top 100.

Just because the people living under Muslim law are cowed and thus don't get executed as much doesn't mean it's a more benevolent system. I mean, if we executed people for jaywalking and increased the punishment from there, we'd probably have zero crime too! Are you saying you're in favor of hand chopping for thievery, execution for apostasy, homosexual activity, and blasphemy, and stoning for adultery?
If you are, then you should seriously relocate to the Middle East.

90 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 6:02pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

Quigley says

Just because the people living under Muslim law are cowed and thus don't get executed as much doesn't mean it's a more benevolent system.

I didn't say it was. I said:

1. Islam is not worse than Nazism.
2. Islam isn't a threat to our survival or some bullshit like that.
3. Islam doesn't need to be handled through a Western world jihad.
4. Radical Islam can be contained and isolated through borders and culture.

Obviously Western culture is superior in every respect.

Quigley says

I mean, if we executed people for jaywalking and increased the punishment from there, we'd probably have zero crime too! Are you saying you're in favor of hand chopping for thievery, execution for apostasy, homosexual activity, and blasphemy, and stoning for adultery?

If you are, then you should seriously relocate to the Middle East.

See my above list. Clearly saying I should go live in the Middle East is idiotic.

Iwog: "Islam is not as bad as the Nazis"
Trumpistas: "OH YEAH?? WELL WHY DON'T YOU MOVE TO SAUDI ARABIA THEN!!!!"

91 Rew   2017 Jul 9, 6:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

I didn't say it was. I said:

1. Islam is not worse than Nazism.

2. Islam isn't a threat to our survival or some bullshit like that.

3. Islam doesn't need to be handled through a Western world jihad.

4. Radical Islam can be contained and isolated through borders and culture.

Obviously Western culture is superior in every respect.

Times 100. Thanks iwog.

92 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 9, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

PeopleUnited says

Like I said, if you have a better source for tallying Islamic violence, do share!

Yup. Murder and execution statistics.

No, not even close. Like I said at least https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 tries to quantify the ACTUAL impact that Islam is having on the world. Dismissing the fact that there have been 153 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, in which 955 people were killed and 1214 injured in just the past 30 days, like Iwog suggests we dismiss them, is the same as burying your head in the sand and wondering who turned out the lights.

Islam is not the new holocaust. But, Islam is a poison pill that freedom loving people best not swallow or even allow inside their borders.

I agree with your points 3 and 4 above. You are wrong about point two. You best not underestimate Islam, Europe did and it will never be the same again. As far as point 1, perspective is everything. There is no reason to argue over which one is worse because there is no objective measure upon we can agree. Nazis were defeated however so keep that in mind and therefore Islam is clearly the greater concern in 2017.

93 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 9, 7:16pm   ↑ like (3)   ↑ dislike (3)     quote        

iwog says

See my above list. Clearly saying I should go live in the Middle East is idiotic.

No need to move there. Just start publishing allah/mohammed cartoons. They will find you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30708237
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/05/a-terror-attack-in-texas/392288/

94 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 7:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

No, not even close. Like I said at least https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 tries to quantify the ACTUAL impact that Islam is having on the world.

Oh bullshit and stop trying to divert my main points into something you can handle more easily. The ACTUAL impact that Islam is having in the world is that it's scaring the shit out of Westerners who want a 100% chance of luxury and survival. A 99.999% chance isn't good enough apparently.

Go ahead and turn the world into Orwell's nightmare. I've been expecting it. I will watch it unfold with amusement. Humor is the only way you can digest this idiocy.

95 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 9, 8:06pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

iwog says

PeopleUnited says

No, not even close. Like I said at least https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 tries to quantify the ACTUAL impact that Islam is having on the world.

Oh bullshit and stop trying to divert my main points into something you can handle more easily. The ACTUAL impact that Islam is having in the world is that it's scaring the shit out of Westerners who want a 100% chance of luxury and survival. A 99.999% chance isn't good enough apparently.

Go ahead and turn the world into Orwell's nightmare. I've been expecting it. I will watch it unfold with amusement. Humor is the only way you can digest this idiocy.

It is not surprising to me that you laugh at the 955 people killed and the 1214 who were injured in Islamic attacks in the past 30 days (most of the victims in fact probably are Moslems too). What is surprising is that you brag about it on the internet.

96 curious2   2017 Jul 9, 9:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

1. Islam is not worse than Nazism.
2. Islam isn't a threat to our survival or some bullshit like that.
3. Islam doesn't need to be handled through a Western world jihad.
4. Radical Islam can be contained and isolated through borders and culture.

Obviously Western culture is superior in every respect.

1. In Europe in WWII, Islam&Nazism shared the same Axis and the authors of Nazism and Muslim leaders called them congruently similar. Not worse, but not better either.
2. Using past or even current data to guarantee future results is like denying climate change poses any threat. Climate change killed fewer Americans than Islam in the last 20 years, yet you express more concern about climate change, because you expect more from it in the future. As WMD proliferate, as Pakistan (which is already is a terrorist state) builds up its nuclear arsenal and maybe sells or blackmails or destabilizes, Islam could return to killing as many as possible.
3. That depends how you define jihad. Linda Taqiyya Sarsour assures us that jihad can be non-violent. The west should denounce Islam and demand western liberty as a condition of access to western prosperity. No aid, no trade, no immigration, no visitation without that. So far, the west has enabled the Muslim world plan against blasphemy, and western powers are actively financing hijrah. As Nassim Taleb wrote, the west is committing suicide by importing Islam. Jumping off a bridge never killed anyone, no matter how high the bridge: it's the sudden landing that kills.
4. Yes, borders and culture. The travel ban should be expanded. The west should take pride in the superiority of western culture, including cartoons and the liberty they symbolize.

97 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 9:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

It is not surprising to me that you laugh at the 955 people killed

That's a bald faced lie. However by making terrorism, a criminal act that killed 94 Americans between 2005 and 2015 a high priority in American policy while over 300,000 Americans were shot to death by firearms during the same period, you shit all over the 300,000 killed while crying a river for the 94.

Fuck off. I'll tell you one thing, I'm not shedding any tears over you cutting your own throat.

https://qz.com/898207/the-psychology-of-why-americans-are-more-scared-of-terrorism-than-guns-though-guns-are-3210-times-likelier-to-kill-them/

PeopleUnited says

What is surprising is that you brag about it on the internet.

When you freely lie about your premise, you can be surprised about anything.

98 FortWayne   2017 Jul 9, 9:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

iwog says

FortWayne says

Typical left wing posturing. Not a peep about ISIS executions of thousands.

You mean the war?

You personally helped kill 100,000 people in Iraq, every single one of them innocent and practically none of them wishing Americans ill will. You have so much blood on your hands that it will never wash off.

Their country attacked us first by sponsoring terrorism. Those are the consequences.

I'm not a fan of the war, but this whole liberal thing how America is evil and they are innocent little lambs over there in Iraq is kind of dumb.

99 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 9:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

Their country attacked us first by sponsoring terrorism. Those are the consequences.

Idiocracy folks. Saddam Hussein sponsored terrorism so we destroyed Iraq. The premise is bullshit but it doesn't matter when you can make up any shit you want. I guess Butcher Bush really did know his electorate.

Can't wait to see what comes next!!!

100 Rew   2017 Jul 9, 9:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

Their country attacked us first ...

Sorry, which national army has attacked us? That's a fight the US has always been well geared to win.

101 iwog   2017 Jul 9, 9:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says

I'm not a fan of the war, but this whole liberal thing how America is evil and they are innocent little lambs over there in Iraq is kind of dumb.

Funny because not even the must regressive liberals ever say that. Even the really fucked up ones.

102 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 10, 8:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

That's a bald faced lie. However by making terrorism, a criminal act that killed 94 Americans between 2005 and 2015 a high priority in American policy while over 300,000 Americans were shot to death by firearms during the same period, you shit all over the 300,000 killed while crying a river for the 94.

Nope, no lie. You said that you find it humorous, and a few words earlier you sought to downplay the death of nearly a thousand people at the hands of Islamic cowards. You can cherry pick the data all you want, but Islamic cowards intent on attacking soft targets around the world includes Americans. Have you forgotten about 9/11?

Have you forgotten about the 2,400 soldiers dead in Afghanistan?
http://icasualties.org/oef/

All that death, because of Islamic cowards and you want to down play it? You are disgusting.

And don't give us this bullshit about firearms. Fucking look at the map.

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/
It is obviously you fucking Clinton voters that are responsible for all the killing.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html
You self righteous leftist are so blind to the fact that your culture is literally killing you.

Look at how safe and serene the rest of the country is. You know, the parts that voted against another Clinton tragedy.

103 iwog   2017 Jul 10, 8:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

Nope, no lie. You said that you find it humorous

Brilliant. Are you know going to explain what "it" represents in that context or are you just going to continue to be dishonest?

My prediction is you will absolutely refuse to explain what "it" represents in that context and you will just continue to be dishonest. It's how you operate.

PeopleUnited says

Have you forgotten about the 2,400 soldiers dead in Afghanistan?

Nope.

PeopleUnited says

All that death, because of Islamic cowards and you want to down play it? You are disgusting.

So to clarify your disingenuous point, 2400 died in Afghanistan because I downplayed the threat of terrorism?

I really strive to simply arguments and get to their core as quickly as possible. That's why I'm very much disliked by the most dishonest people on the board but respected by people who are intellectually honest on all sides of the political spectrum.

The reason I mentioned this is that I'll now ask you to connect a rational assessment of the threat of terrorism with the war in Afghanistan and you will, as always, fail to provide it because you're dishonest. Nothing I have done or supported has caused needless killing around the world. However this is NOT the case for Republicans who supported the slaughter under George Bush. Y'all have blood on your hands. You did this. You are responsible. I am not.

I will gladly take responsibility for the killing that occurred in Afghanistan and I can construct a coherent argument for why it is necessary.

104 iwog   2017 Jul 10, 8:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

And don't give us this bullshit about firearms. Fucking look at the map.

Yeah!!! Look at that map!!!! Most of those are gun deaths. Serious problem isn't it. Maybe we should concentrate on eliminating the 30,000 gun killings per year instead of being fucking incompetent as a society and spending billions (or trillions) on the 9.4 terrorist killings per year.

Sound like a plan?

PeopleUnited says

It is obviously you fucking Clinton voters that are responsible for all the killing.

You're off the rails now. You're not qualified to be discussing these topics. I suggest you stop.

105 Rew   2017 Jul 10, 8:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

PeopleUnited says

And don't give us this bullshit about firearms. Fucking look at the map.

OMG! Is that where the muslims are!? BOMB THEM! QUICK!

106 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 10, 11:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Rew says

PeopleUnited says

And don't give us this bullshit about firearms. Fucking look at the map.

OMG! Is that where the muslims are!? BOMB THEM! QUICK!

Nope, apparently it is where the democrat voters are.

107 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 11, 12:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

Brilliant. Are you know going to explain what "it" represents in that context or are you just going to continue to be dishonest?

My prediction is you will absolutely refuse to explain what "it" represents in that context and you will just continue to be dishonest. It's how you operate.

Oh, so you didn't just dismiss the fact that nearly 1000 people were killed by Islamic cowards in the past thirty days by questioning the objectivity of the source and then say that you find it humorous that people like me are upset about it and then accuse those of us who are upset about it of being Orwellian? Oh, no wait, that is EXACTLY what you did. I'll accept your apology when you are finished with your rhubarb.

108 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 11, 12:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

That's why I'm very much disliked by the most dishonest people on the board but respected by people who are intellectually honest on all sides of the political spectrum.

I thought you didn't like to rub your own rhubarb? Would you like some lube?

109 PeopleUnited   2017 Jul 11, 12:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

iwog says

PeopleUnited says

And don't give us this bullshit about firearms. Fucking look at the map.

Yeah!!! Look at that map!!!! Most of those are gun deaths. Serious problem isn't it. Maybe we should concentrate on eliminating the 30,000 gun killings

Yes, lets do that. And since it seems to be happing in the same actual areas where Clinton voters are concentrated, lets let the people who live outside the crime zones tell you how to fix your shit. Obviously you Clinton voters keep fucking it up worse.

iwog says

The reason I mentioned this is that I'll now ask you to connect a rational assessment of the threat of terrorism with the war in Afghanistan

al Qaeda (you may have heard of them) was based out of Afghanistan at the time of the start of the war. ISIS is al Qaeda's even more f'd up offspring. Afghanistan harbors terrorists and is an important source of their funding (opium). But I'm sure when you get done rubbing your rhubarb you will give us even more insight on how brilliant you are and how you know so much more than the rest of us about terrorism. Bye Felicia

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PeopleUnited says

Oh, so you didn't just dismiss the fact that nearly 1000 people were killed by Islamic cowards in the past thirty days by questioning the objectivity of the source and then say that you find it humorous that people like me are upset about it and then accuse those of us who are upset about it of being Orwellian? Oh, no wait, that is EXACTLY what you did. I'll accept your apology when you are finished with your rhubarb.

Actually all I said was that the source you linked cited killings involved in a civil war within the boundaries of Syria.

I accurately pointed out that this invalidates the source. However since that calculation has nothing whatsoever to do with any point I made, I'm not sure why you care. When you start adding up killings across the entire fucking planet and try to make some point about how serious it is, you BETTER have context such as how they compare with other types of killings across the entire fucking planet.

I have provided that context. You can't and wont because you can't feed your hunger for outrage when something as stupid as bathtub accidents or bee stings kill more people than terrorism does. I categorized the context, compared it to other nations, and listed real numbers. You can't and wont because at your core you're a coward. You'd rather practice character assassination than address anything I wrote.

Keep running. I'll keep publishing. We'll see how history judges each of us.

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iwog says

Actually all I said was that the source you linked cited killings involved in a civil war within the boundaries of Syria.

I accurately pointed out that this invalidates the source.

No you gave your opinion that it invalidates the source. There is a difference.

iwog says

I'm not sure why you care. When you start adding up killings across the entire fucking planet and try to make some point about how serious it is, you BETTER have context such as how they compare with other types of killings across the entire fucking planet.

Listen genius, Islamic violence, (you know the kind of violence that https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 is keeping track of) is the kind of violence than can be prevented if people change their minds about Islam. That is the context, and that is why I defended Fort Wayne. Islamic teaching is violent, hateful and oppressive. I wouldn't wish any person I care about, or even you to have to experience life under Islamic rule. Violent overthrow of Islamic people is not the answer to this preventable disease. But the world needs to know how violent Islam is, how bringing Moslem refugees into your backyard is likely to breed discontent unless you are willing to implement sharia law to appease them and there are several of us who are happy to share this fact with the good people of Patnet. Others like yourself want to promote SJW philosophy that Islam can live it peace with the rest of the world. However the bulk of the evidence suggests otherwise. We don't need to accept 1000 people being killed by Islamic cowards every month. And at the very least, we owe it to ourselves to keep our borders secure and take out ISIS strongholds with the aid and cooperation of the international community.

Other types of killings are preventable as well, for example: end drunk driving and you save 10,000 people per year in the United States. But we are talking about how to keep ourselves reasonably safe from Islamic cowards. As such it is wise to know your enemy. Lets talk about it.

If you want to talk about gun violence in the United States and how to reduce/eliminate it, I would be happy to have that discussion. I am not running from anything. If anything you are refusing to address the topic at hand, Islam = violence and a threat to western ideals of life, liberty and property. And Fort Wayne is right, Islamic State and Islamic vigilante justice is a threat to our ideals. If we don't take at least a vocal stance against Islam, we are consenting to Islamic oppression. I am voicing my stance against Islam, because I believe telling the truth is more powerful than violence and use of force. How about you?

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