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Magical Monkey Selfie That Ruined a Wildlife Photographer's Career
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2017 Jul 22, 2:27pm 3,926 views 26 comments
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Patrick
2017 Jul 22, 3:02pm
the animal rights organisation People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) launched a legal action on behalf of the monkey, ... It demanded the right to manage the macaque's funds for its benefit.
That's the core of the thing: who controls the money.
FortWayne
2017 Jul 22, 7:38pm
PETA sounds like one of those liberal organizations. "Lets help the monkeys, but fuck the homeless man."
Strategist
2017 Jul 22, 8:45pm
I'm all for the welfare of animals. PETA takes it too far in the hopes of making major changes for animal rights.
Cruelty to animals must end. Humans have no rights to be cruel to animals.
Strategist
2017 Jul 22, 8:55pm
Cruelty to animals must end
Do we have to defend Dan?
I take back everything I said.
Shaman
2017 Jul 22, 8:57pm
like one of those liberal organizations. "Lets help the monkeys, but fuck the homeless man.
Well, maybe a gay liberal would say that...
@Strategist
re comment 5
big agree on your comment. Like the "monkey", though, he may have more sense than me.
Strategist
2017 Jul 22, 9:06pm
@Strategist
re comment 5
big agree on your comment. Like the "monkey", though, he may have more sense than me.
Monkeys make better humans than most humans.
re 9
I generally (but rapidly) am starting to have a much higher opinion of animals and want to protect them. Most of them definitely have more sense than humans, and many of them are actually very intelligent.
I'm sort of a hypocrite, since I eat meat, but I gave up hunting after about 15 yoa
I remember when I got in trouble at truck driving school. An instructor referred to it as an "needless tragedy" when a flatbed carrying a bunch of chickens to a Tyson slaughterhouse overturned, the chickens' cages burst, and they all ran away into the nearby forest. So I mouthed off: "Why a 'tragedy'? From whose perspective? If a train on the way to Auschwitz ran off the tracks and all the Jews ran away into the forest, would that be 'tragic'?"
this was NOT good
Then I compounded my offense by making some comments about free range chickens. :)
Herb asks: Why do California parasites fuck up everything they touch?
Greed?
If so. it's not just California.
.....
Putin controls Trump.
FortWayne
2017 Jul 23, 1:48pm
The long term attitude here from the right is homeless are lazy, addicts
A lot of them are lazy, a lot of them are addicts, especially in our neighborhood. They should get jobs.
But if it comes to choosing between helping some fucking apes or humans, I'll pick humans always. But liberals on the other hand... well they want to help dogs, cats, monkeys, turtles, but not humans.
Dan8267
2017 Jul 23, 1:53pm
"Lets help the monkeys, but fuck the homeless man."
Only an idiot thinks those two things are mutually exclusive. It's like saying you can't help rape victims if you help burglary victims.
FortWayne
2017 Jul 23, 1:55pm
"Lets help the monkeys, but fuck the homeless man."
Only an idiot thinks those two things are mutually exclusive. It's like saying you can't help rape victims if you help burglary victims.
Clearly they spend their time on what is important to them, which is in this case helping some stupid ape.
Dan8267
2017 Jul 23, 1:55pm
They claimed the image was uncopyrightable because the monkey was the creator
So does that mean everything someone puts on Facebook, in an email, on Twitter, on Instagram, etc. is the property of the creator rather than the corporation that runs the website or service? This would be a huge change.
Can we let our employers know that every email we send out from our company's Outlook is our property, not theirs?
Shaman
2017 Jul 23, 3:36pm
What jobs do the homeless people hold? What benefit do they provide to society? Are they good for anything or are they just a sponge of resources? If they contribute no value, why do we support them? If they earn no money, and consume resources, who is paying? And why should we pay?
That is all.
lostand confused
2017 Jul 23, 3:43pm
PETA, HSUS are just a bunch of animal right liberal wackos .
Strategist
2017 Jul 23, 4:06pm
What jobs do the homeless people hold? What benefit do they provide to society? Are they good for anything or are they just a sponge of resources? If they contribute no value, why do we support them? If they earn no money, and consume resources, who is paying? And why should we pay?
That is all.
Exactly the same questions can be asked of criminals.
Dan8267
2017 Jul 23, 4:10pm
Exactly the same questions can be asked of criminals.
And the elderly. Perhaps we should be cruel to all three. Now that's conservative values!
Strategist
2017 Jul 23, 4:40pm
Exactly the same questions can be asked of criminals.
And the elderly. Perhaps we should be cruel to all three. Now that's conservative values!
The elderly have done nothing wrong. They paid into the system, and now they are getting paid back. I would not apply those questions to the elderly.
FortWayne
2017 Jul 23, 5:46pm
by the way Dan did I ever tell you that that is a terrible selfie you took up there?
re comment 22
@FortWayne
hey, don't give credit where it doesn't belong. That's ME, and several friends told me off-site it well shows my inner self
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Perhaps, but I'm not sure your premise is correct. Can you expand upon this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4719674/Wildlife-photographer-says-famous-monkey-selfie-ruined-him.html
His problems began when Californian-based blog Techdirt and the online encyclopedia Wikipedia (whose mission statement is 'to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free licence or in the public domain') muscled in.
They claimed the image was uncopyrightable because the monkey was the creator — and so they uploaded the picture onto their websites, free for anyone to use. To Dave, this was an assault on his livelihood.
Understandably, he asked Techdirt and Wikipedia to stop using the pictures — but they refused. Faced with little choice, Dave decided to sue for up to £18,000, saying: 'There's a lot more to copyright than who pushes the trigger.'
The legal consensus was that not only was Dave unable to assert copyright, but neither could the monkey.
The only primates with any hope of making money out of 'the world's greatest selfie' were, inevitably, lawyers.
Two years ago, as the dispute rumbled on, the animal rights organisation People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) launched a legal action on behalf of the monkey, which it called Naruto, claiming that it should be declared the owner of its own image. It demanded the right to manage the macaque's funds for its benefit.
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